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My Late Night Tournament View(examples)

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I hope you enjoy this read, because I plan to make millions off of it. All of this is patent pending, if you use this in your book I will sue you for kagrillions of dollars. Some if this is obvious, and said in one way or another, but unlike what they said, they would state ,"but I believe skill will win out in the long run." My purpose is to show you that it doesn't and that luck and the overall tournament structure depends on your outcome.Here I will show you why I believe there is less skill in No limit hold'em tournaments than everyone seems to believe.#1. The buy ins/satellite issue- Obviously with all of the low buy ins and satellites it dimishes the skill with every new player. Sure some people might say, "The 'aura' of this is that you DON'T have to be a professional to play with the pros." But what they don't say is that it doesn't weed through the people who don't care to be there. What is the common phrase uttered when you hear someone make a horrific call, "well, I'm only in this tournament for x amounts of dollars" or "well, at least I got a free trip to vegas out of it, i'm fat and love buffets."#2. The amount of players- This is related to #1. With the buy ins so small and satellites, the number of entrats go skyrocketing through the roof thus diminishing skill. This means, more people to beat, new players to learn and all in all just on average more poor poker played. While I didn't see the episode I saw someone quote Joe Hachem saying, "this place is a land-mine. Not only do you have to avoid blowing, but you have to avoid another player blowing up and taking you with him." Um......didn't you just win it last year with 5000+ players? Sure, the payouts go up but the difficulty in reaching any payout that any "pro" would deem satsifactory(excluding those who want 1st or nothing) goes up as well.Those are just 2 of my list of reasons why there is less skill involved in tournament poker than you all believe. I'll let those 2 soak into your mind and leave you with a low buy-in tournament.Binions, $70 tournament with 1 add-on. Guy is at final table with a huge stack, completely drunk calling guys, "sir" after every comment, calling all preflop raises. Hand 1Preflop raiser out of early position, guy calls.Flop, 3-2-3. Ends up all in, drunk guy has 32. Hand 2 Down to six handedprelop raiserGuy, "wow, what a horrible call but okay."As the dealer's about to deal the flopdrunk guy ,"LET ME SEE SOME Q'S AND 8S!!!"Flop Q-Q-8"OMG, I'M AMAZING!! I DON'T BELIEVE IT"Drunk guy procceds to check all the way down to the river, flips over Q-8.Let me tell you how he got to this position#1. obvious blind luck#2. Such a horrible structure that it basically tells you to double up in the first round or two(luck based), or you're shortstacked the rest of the tourney.Thank you for your time, i know you feel smarter and are questioning your life of poker.

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lol...had a rough week at the tables?In case you're serious...how many bracelets does that drunk guy have? :club:
I'm very serious. Bracelets mean nothing in this day and age. Life without poker is horribly easy. I love not having times where I flop a set and someone flops a higher set and I go broke.
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Dead money in tournaments sucks. I wish I could only play the pros and get beat every time. Then I would enjoy this game more.(sw)

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I'm very serious. Bracelets mean nothing in this day and age. Life without poker is horribly easy. I love not having times where I flop a set and someone flops a higher set and I go broke.
Life without poker may be easy for you, but you should try life without coming to a poker forum to discuss a game you supposedly don't play anymore.Also, BBFIDTS.
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Yeah I'm running in bad intournaments too yet I havn't gone so psycho that I think its mostly luck.
Don't worry, it will come. After the 20 thousandth tournament you enter that has 2000+ players, you will realize that tournaments are only worth it if variance is running on you side in which you should join every tournament you possibly can.
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Oh wait I get it you suck at tournaments and want to just blame it on bad luck.Also about the drunk guy how many times do you think he has done the same thing and gotten absolutley destroyed at the table. Probably close to 95% of the time.Also maybe you should also tell The Grinder, John Juanda, Phil Ivey, and let's not forget the great Phil Helmuth your great new "view".And Last but not least BBFIDTS. Seriously go there so people can empathize with you.

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Oh wait I get it you suck at tournaments and want to just blame it on bad luck.Also about the drunk guy how many times do you think he has done the same thing and gotten absolutley destroyed at the table. Probably close to 95% of the time.Also maybe you should also tell The Grinder, John Juanda, Phil Ivey, and let's not forget the great Phil Helmuth your great new "view".And Last but not least BBFIDTS. Seriously go there so people can empathize with you.
Yeah, and the only thing that will keep those guys afloat when they go on their horrible bad run of cards and bad variance is their endorsements and their "persona."
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Having less skilled players in the field definitely reduces the effect of skill and makes luck dominate. Whereas if the players had nearly equal skill, then skill would dominate over luck. This makes perfect sense. Honestly, I wonder if people even read what they write sometimes. How about this. You admit that you aren't very good at tournaments, probably because you play too weak-tight, desperately afraid of getting in with the worst hand, and start blaming all the good players for your losses, rather than the few bad ones you can identify that are worse than yourself.All your story about the drunk guy proves is that there's tons of value to be had, as in the Q8 hand for instance, he gave the other player a complete freeroll on his chip stack if he could outflop him by giving away his hand. Sure, the amount of skill required to win is decreased, but a skilled player's edge over the field increases dramatically.

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there are ways of adapting to terrible fields, man.see a lot of cheap flops with total trash hands in the early levels, flop 2p or an odd straight occasionally and stack tptk. DN, for example, said the play was so bad in the WSOP ME this year that he was playing every hand. postflop mistakes by your opponents make this sort of adjustment the right one.take risks early so your coinflips late are for other people's stacks and only 15% of yours. if you're going to bust on a coinflip, do it in the first 15 minutes of a tournament instead of on the bubble. you'll waste less time and won't get nearly as frustrated.yes, tournament play has more frustrating swings than cash game play generally, but if you really think that tournaments are all luck then you're not adapting to the play of your opponents properly.

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Omg you get stupider every post you make. Please leave and never come back. Nobody cares what you think about anything poker related. We get it, you suck and can't win at poker.
#1. I don't think that's possible.#2. In the end, I am a winning player but not enough to justify devoting my life to something that in the end, doesn't matter anyways. No offense to anyone here, because there's a lot of cool people(including yourself grinder) but I hope you all play poker more for the Joy than the money aspect, because in the end money doesn't mean jack. If you're doing it for the fame, good luck. There are just so many people in poker, it's like a "where's Waldo" book.
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#1. I don't think that's possible.#2. In the end, I am a winning player but not enough to justify devoting my life to something that in the end, doesn't matter anyways. No offense to anyone here, because there's a lot of cool people(including yourself grinder) but I hope you all play poker more for the Joy than the money aspect, because in the end money doesn't mean jack. If you're doing it for the fame, good luck. There are just so many people in poker, it's like a "where's Waldo" book.
I play more for the fun obviously if you haven't seen the small *** limits I play. hah
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