10-man Sng, First Hand

[Canary3 1]

You left out some very important information.Is this your last $10?How many of the other players are wearing sunglasses?How many chips can you shuffle?Which came first, the chicken or the egg?What is the meaning of life?And most important......Why?

This is my favorite..... it is definately important to know how many other players are wearing sunglasses... if they are wearing sunglasses, you wont be able to read them

[gmanshade 0]

I will be the voice of reason on this one:this is a clear fold.with nine people allin in front of you there is a real possibility only one player will win the pot, and if there is a chop (let's say two players with AK make Aces up) then you are in the money down to three players. if you plug this hand into the odds calculator on cardplayer you will see that AA is a signficant underdog to nine hands, whether they are strong or weak (whether they all have pocket pairs or small unsuited cards, or some mix in between). So tourny strategy and the odds of your hand holding up both point to the same conclusion-->>>>wait for itwait for itwait for itEASY FOLD every time.btw, in a similar scenario Phil Hellmuth has a column in cardplayer (search the archives for link) where he talks about situations when it is correct to fold AA preflop. One of the situations he discusses is when you are on the bubble of a satelitte tournament and there is more than one player all in in front of you.

[Rated-R 0]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm NIT!

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[gmanshade 0]

http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/14576for those interested here is hellmuth's article "When to fold Aces preflop"this is one of the cases when you should fold

[blakheart 3]

I can't believe I wasted time reading this

[ForRealDD 0]

I can't believe I wasted time reading this

That brownie looks delicious

[FatBurger 0]

Of course you go all in, everyone knows aces are the best hand. What, do you fold a royal flush because someone is betting too much?

[timwakefield 68]

this is a clear fold.with nine people allin in front of you there is a real possibility only one player will win the pot, and if there is a chop (let's say two players with AK make Aces up) then you are in the money down to three players.

If you hold AA and two opponents each hold AK, please explain how they can make aces up?

[pmk-one 0]

Imagine you're playing in the big game and you're dealt AA in LHE. The betting's capped 3-ways in front of you, when all of a sudden a wolf jumps into the casino and bites a huge chunk out of your leg. Do you fold and go right to the hospital or do you finish the hand first? Does the fact that your hand will be made obvious by the fact that you didn't go to the hospital compensate for a great deal of equity? Would you be more likely to finish out the hand if the other players didn't know that there was a giant chunk missing out of your leg? Interesting theoretical question here. Oh, and it's still more likely than 9 players going all-in in front of you in a SNG.

vnh sir

[Rated-R 0]

If you hold AA and two opponents each hold AK, please explain how they can make aces up?

By hitting the 2 remaining kings on the flop, turn, or river...that would give them trip kings to your pocket aces

[FatBurger 0]

If you hold AA and two opponents each hold AK, please explain how they can make aces up?

Depends if the SNG is on PokerStars or not.

[Mercury69 3]

No, I am ForReal

QFTFTR, I'd push AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

[timwakefield 68]

By hitting the 2 remaining kings on the flop, turn, or river...that would give them trip kings to your pocket aces

Yes, but trip kings are not aces up. I didn't say AK and AK can't beat AA, I said AK and AK can't make aces up vs AA.Aces up = 2 pair, aces and Xs

[ForRealDD 0]

If you hold AA and two opponents each hold AK, please explain how they can make aces up?

It's obvious were playing jopker poker !!

[FatBurger 0]

It's obvious were playing jopker poker !!

In which case the pocket aces would still win

[Rated-R 0]

Yes, but trip kings are not aces up. I didn't say AK and AK can't beat AA, I said AK and AK can't make aces up vs AA.Aces up = 2 pair, aces and Xs

My mistake...I misread!

[cwik 0]

An obvious auto reraise situation.this where I like to make the astonishing yet under utilized all-in² play, made fanous doing Johnny Moss in this 1971 WSOP victory.If your not willing to put a player to his money when he is all in, your never gonna make it in poker.

[gmanshade 0]

you're right I made a mistake with my example...aces up is impossible.but nonetheless my conclusions are correct.it is highly unlikely this would happen, but with 9 people all in in front of you with a structure paying the top three this is an EASY FOLD.think of it this way:is it better to be guaranteed in the money and freerolling for 1st placeor enter a pot where you are an underdog to be the chip leader?obv, you should fold. read hellmuth's article. he quotes Annie Duke as saying she's folded AA preflop before.***btw, for people advocating a call here: everyone realizes the importance of forgetting about hand value, and so for instance you will call with 7 2 offsuit if the pot is laying the right odds. but the same goes for premium hands. just as KK or QQ is a fold hand if you know for certain your opponent has AA, so AA is a fold hand if you are playing against nine opponents. with that many callers AA doesnt just need to "hold up" for you to win. you most likely will have to make a str8, flush, or trips to win the hand.

[jowest 0]

Let's say it's a $10 10-man Sit-n-Go. First hand. You are the BB. All 9 players before you went all-in. You look down and find AA. Do you call?Let's say the 9 hands are completely random. Do you call?Let's say the 9 hands are somewhat reasonable, with the possibility of AA, AK, KK, QQ, TT, 66, 27o, ... etc in the mix. Do you call?Let's say somehow you know for sure another AA is held by another player, so you are calling for almost a chop or worse (unless a 4-flush of your suit comes). Do you call?Let's say you are standing behind me right now with a hammer. Do you tell me why I am so retarded for asking these questions and show me the error of my ways? Or do you simply beat me sensless with the hammer and pee on my face?

FYP

[blackntan06 0]

OP = RetardedFWYWWTSF

[Demonde 0]

You're all so fuckin' stupid.I hate you all.

[ForRealDD 0]

You're all so fuckin' stupid.I hate you all.

I watched a video about you ....you're one of those "Emo" kids , right ?

[simo_8ball 0]

Read through this.This tells you all you need to know for this kind of situation, although with this being a 10 man STT I think there are certain payout considerations. If it is winner take all then you call. If it is top 3 paid then you may have better equity by folding. It is usually 50/30/20, so you would get 3xbuyin guaranteed (assuming a single winner of the pot (which will happen around 99% of the time). By calling, you are 31% to win the tourney, and 69% to go out. So, you get 3xbuyin 99% of the time by folding, and 5xbuyin 31% by calling. I am not sure how the other prize money would be distributed, so you might get the 2nd place money some other % of the time.With regard to the other players having legitimate hands - After 4 players have gone allin, who is going to call with JJ? After 7 players have gone allin, would someone really call with QQ or KK? No. Even at small stakes, no. Thus, we must assume that they are moving in with whatever two random cards they have in front of them.Even assuming AA,KK,KK,QQ,QQ,JJ,JJ,TT,TT for the other 9 players, It would almost certainly be a split pot with the other AA, so you would obviously call.

[Demonde 0]

I watched a video about you ....you're one of those "Emo" kids , right ?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OBV!

[Hobbes 1]

"Never underestimate the predictability of stupid people."