only1bobby 0 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I have played many tournaments, but then when I played the tournament at Wynn. I was very surprised that they used the autoshuffers during the tournament. I hate it already because the first five plays, I got two pairs twice at first two plays, then I got straight three times in a row on next three plays but I lost all of it because of flush(most by the river)! Believe it or not ... I just hate autoshuffers because it is so odd that flush came out five times in a row... I prefer to have the dealer to shuffle and deal with real hands rather than Autoshuffers...I am worrying that in the future autoshuffers may be growing to use in every tournaments. I would consider to protest it as I don't like it at all. I feel that the autoshuffers are cheating... That is my opinion. Even I don't win much at the cash poker if it used the autoshuffers. I won some nice cash games if I play on the table where it does not have an autoshuffers.... I'd love to hear your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 They are all still random. Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Autoshufflers are more random than dealer shuffles.Your correlation between you losing and autoshufflers demonstrates a fundamental problem with your understanding of statistics. Link to post Share on other sites
srblan 0 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 If it really bothers you, have the dealer mix up the cards manually every so often before putting them into the shufflemaster.PS. Shufflemasters are rigged. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 By the sound of it, you're definitely a losing player anyways.You'd be wiser to "protest" poker altogether...... although im sure you wont. Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 You're great for recognizing the cheating. But since no one else knows (look at the above posts, lol), this can be your little secret. For instance, if you have a flush draw, don't be afraid to push all in. Chances are it will hit. Conversely, if the third card of a suit comes on the river, you can lay down a straight with no regrets. The bad, stupid players who haven't noticed this won't make these +EV plays. Your edge will be huge! Link to post Share on other sites
only1bobby 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 By the sound of it, you're definitely a losing player anyways.You'd be wiser to "protest" poker altogether...... although im sure you wont.Last year, I made the final tables 11 times total. Are you telling me that I am a losing player? Ha... I am able to predict the next shuffle if the dealer shuffled with their hands..It is my own ability to predict.... If autoshuffers, I could not predict... I won the satellite table to enter the Wynn tournament, they don't use the autoshuffers. Then they used it at the tournament which I was surprised. Maybe just a bad day. I will try one more time if I visit Wynn again and see if I can handle that... But as I mentioned that I don't play well at any cash tables that use autoshuffers because they used two cards so I may have a trouble to remember which one that I can predict what cards may come out in next flop... it confused me easily... I did not like it very much.. I love to go to my local casino because they don't use autoshuffers at the tournaments and most of the cash games. I am more comfortable with that. I will stick with it. I just hoping autoshuffers will not be use in all WSOP/WPT/PPT tournaments in the future. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Do you understand math, probability, statistics, etc?I'm not saying you're a bad player, but your argument is SEVERELY flawed.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Last year, I made the final tables 11 times total. Are you telling me that I am a losing player? Ha... I am able to predict the next shuffle if the dealer shuffled with their hands..It is my own ability to predict.... If autoshuffers, I could not predict... I won the satellite table to enter the Wynn tournament, they don't use the autoshuffers. Then they used it at the tournament which I was surprised. Maybe just a bad day. I will try one more time if I visit Wynn again and see if I can handle that... But as I mentioned that I don't play well at any cash tables that use autoshuffers because they used two cards so I may have a trouble to remember which one that I can predict what cards may come out in next flop... it confused me easily... I did not like it very much.. I love to go to my local casino because they don't use autoshuffers at the tournaments and most of the cash games. I am more comfortable with that. I will stick with it. I just hoping autoshuffers will not be use in all WSOP/WPT/PPT tournaments in the future.OK, so maybe you're not a losing player, no denying you're an idiot.And predict? Who the hell are you, Miss Cleo? Your statements are unfounded and sounds like absolute gibberish. You my friend, need to take an IQ test, because I think you're functionally retarded. Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I hate autoshufflers, too. At the blackjack table. They take away my mathematical edge. :(At the poker table, I don't see that happening, so I'm ambivalent. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 He'd have to be the next miss cleo to overcome his other apparent inadequacies. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 ... it confused me easily...Well, I'm with you on that part anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Last year, I made the final tables 11 times total. Are you telling me that I am a losing player? Ha... I am able to predict the next shuffle if the dealer shuffled with their hands..It is my own ability to predict.... If autoshuffers, I could not predict... I won the satellite table to enter the Wynn tournament, they don't use the autoshuffers. Then they used it at the tournament which I was surprised. Maybe just a bad day. I will try one more time if I visit Wynn again and see if I can handle that... But as I mentioned that I don't play well at any cash tables that use autoshuffers because they used two cards so I may have a trouble to remember which one that I can predict what cards may come out in next flop... it confused me easily... I did not like it very much.. I love to go to my local casino because they don't use autoshuffers at the tournaments and most of the cash games. I am more comfortable with that. I will stick with it. I just hoping autoshuffers will not be use in all WSOP/WPT/PPT tournaments in the future.And I'm a male model with a super-model wife and a 12" dong.The anonymity of the internet is awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
Petoria 0 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 And I'm a male model with a super-model wife and a 12" dong.The anonymity of the internet is awesome.No male models have 12" dongs, that would be pretty sick walking down the runway like that. Link to post Share on other sites
STYLINHAWYN 0 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 What the hell is an "autoshuffer" and where can i get one? Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 No male models have 12" dongs, that would be pretty sick walking down the runway like that.I tape it back. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Wow...Maybe you should ask the Floor guy if you can bring in your own deck and your grandma and have her shuffle for your table. Link to post Share on other sites
Aschlanser 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Maybe he's joking.... Link to post Share on other sites
sixhands 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Last year, I made the final tables 11 times total. Are you telling me that I am a losing player? Ha... I am able to predict the next shuffle if the dealer shuffled with their hands..It is my own ability to predict.... If autoshuffers, I could not predict... I won the satellite table to enter the Wynn tournament, they don't use the autoshuffers. Then they used it at the tournament which I was surprised. Maybe just a bad day. I will try one more time if I visit Wynn again and see if I can handle that... But as I mentioned that I don't play well at any cash tables that use autoshuffers because they used two cards so I may have a trouble to remember which one that I can predict what cards may come out in next flop... it confused me easily... I did not like it very much.. I love to go to my local casino because they don't use autoshuffers at the tournaments and most of the cash games. I am more comfortable with that. I will stick with it. I just hoping autoshuffers will not be use in all WSOP/WPT/PPT tournaments in the future.I am able to predict the NEXT shuffle as well ... it always comes right after the previous one :)If you are able to predict what cards are coming then I challenge you to go ALL-IN BLIND on hands you apparantly "KNOW" you are going to win.Good Luck you SAPOS Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Autoshufflers are more random than dealer shuffles.Your correlation between you losing and autoshufflers demonstrates a fundamental problem with your understanding of statistics.pwnd. Link to post Share on other sites
dEv~ 19 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 yet another awesome thread...check the sig. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 yet another awesome thread...check the sig.I just got home from Pittsburgh. I went to see some Penguins games. How come I never knew about the St. Paddy's day parade... I wake up and there's a parade outside my window and half the town is drunk in the streets. What a city. - Zach Link to post Share on other sites
yergan 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Can someone enlighten me how the autoshufflers work. THe only ones I've seen are the crappy ones that essentially just alternate cards. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Can someone enlighten me how the autoshufflers work. THe only ones I've seen are the crappy ones that essentially just alternate cards.They're talking about the casino ones that are much, much more random.I saw an episode of NUMB3RS once, that talked about them, saying they used an algorithm based on an RNG or something like that, but I have no idea if this is accurate or not.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 The casino one's have helper monkeys that live inside the table and wash the deck in between hands. Link to post Share on other sites
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