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I am going to over the next few days just paste them to my blog. I think that may be easier. I have one up now, if you want to check it out. keep in mind they are long, they are complicated, you will be required to think a great deal.I apologize for the sloppiness of my idea here. I started reading this stuff, and wanted to share it immidiately. I didn't realize what a chore it would be, and didn't realize how much time I had put into going through all the bs to get to the good stuff. I was kind of like a bad player who finally makes their hand and just pushes all in without thinking.

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redpill even managed to counter Gigabets wisdom with his own...theredpill5 old hand Reged: 02/02/05 Posts: 1059 Re: Gigabet's HH and our SnG Strategy 05/17/05 05:40 AM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply Gigabet,If you can afford a $15000 buy-in tourney, why are you even playing poker ? Do you just do it for fun ? I'm guess that your bankroll is around $1 million ? Sorry if this is inappropriate... but sometimes you cant make the funny stuff up....really
I saw that and laughed. He has over a 1000 post over there, and he has over 3000 on another forum, I just don't remember which.
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I remember reading that article in Cardplayer and i thought it was FANTASTIC. Alot of what Gigabet refers to when talking about negative thoughts entering the mind are exactly the way Buddhism and meditation treat thoughts. When they creap into your head dont push them aside, look at them objectively, think about where these thoughts or fears come from, and let them go the same way they came. Its not easy to do sometimes! (Like the capped pot pre-flop today where i had aces and other player had 7 2 suited)I read all of the links that were posted but i cannot seem to find any post beyond this past week or so. It only goes back maybe 25 posts. Any help with this? Id love to find the rest of his posts.

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I remember reading that article in Cardplayer and i thought it was FANTASTIC. Alot of what Gigabet refers to when talking about negative thoughts entering the mind are exactly the way Buddhism and meditation treat thoughts. When they creap into your head dont push them aside, look at them objectively, think about where these thoughts or fears come from, and let them go the same way they came. Its not easy to do sometimes! (Like the capped pot pre-flop today where i had aces and other player had 7 2 suited)I read all of the links that were posted but i cannot seem to find any post beyond this past week or so. It only goes back maybe 25 posts. Any help with this? Id love to find the rest of his posts.
change the date back function to 4 years.... when you search it should give you the option
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I really don't think opinion is an issue here at all, you are misunderstanding my outlook on the situation. I feel like that I can control the UTG player, to the point where I can keep his calling or reraising range down to 2, maybe 3 hands. If I happen to run into one of those hands, or am wrong on my read, so be it. However, while controlling the utg player, I lose control of the the 2 players left to act behind me, I am just taking blind chance that neither of these players have the ability to execute the play that I mentioned. Either of them could have reraised me all in, and it would have appeared, with no doubts on anyones mind(except mine), that this player was holding either 2 Aces, or 2 Kings. It is a common play in high level play to make this raise and because I knew that this is a "high" level tourney, I knew that this "spot" was perfect for this reraise by one of the blinds. In fact, I would reraise in the blinds' spot nearly 100% of the time. Recognizing the situation is easy, once you know what to look for, having the heart to do it is the tough part. Because I have no control over what any of the players were dealt, I cannot worry about that, but I do have control over allowing obvious plays against me. The likliehood of the utg player having a hand is unimportant based on the control I felt I had on him, the lack of control is where I will naturally worry.Who thinks like this...absolutely gorgeous idea...

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you can get the same knowledge on FCP if you just search for all posts by jfarrell20.dude was like stuey ungar.

You are going to need to have some time on your hands, but I bet you will be a better player for it. I don't post on here as much as some, and more than others, so my word doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. You can search my posts, or read my blog to find that I am serious about poker. I don't flame people, I don't make immature statements, I am a grown man that loves talk about and play poker. I have been a regular poster/lurker at every major poker forum on the net, for a good while. I like FCP, mostly because of all the good people here. There seems to be a good number of really smart, eager players here. Ok on to how to be a better player right away. Many of you may already be members of the 2 + 2 forums, if so you may have already checked a lot of this stuff out. I have been reading the posts by Darrell Dicken aka Gigabet, for about 2 days on and off. I really don't think I have ever read such interesting, sophisticated information about poker before. So that is my suggestion to everyone, go to 2 + 2, put Gigabet in the search portion (under the Username search), and get to reading. I started reading his latest post then worked backwards. I would recommend doing it the other way around. Find his very first post, and go from there. He only has about 350, so while it will take some time, it won't take forever. There is no hurry, the post will always be there. If your a newbie to poker, you will get an idea of how a genius thinks about poker. If your already a winning player, you will benefit more so. Just to give you a taste on what you will find, he really spells out in great detail of how to be a LAG player. There just isn't very much literature on this style, so some of the concepts are very advanced, very complicated. He has a post on how to categorize players, I found this to be something I could use right away. The guy is on a different level, his stream of conscienceness is just sick. His post are as if he is teaching the game, not in a censored arrogant way, but like a true teacher.
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I did not read the posts concerning the "Gigabet Dilemma", but let me see if i understand why he was critisized and why he made the play that he did. Im guessing "Player A" utg raised 3-4 times the big blind, then Gigabet reraised on the button with Q3 feeling he had control over player A. Then one of the blinds moved all in which Gigabet called? I dont know, im just guessing here.

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I did not read the posts concerning the "Gigabet Dilemma", but let me see if i understand why he was critisized and why he made the play that he did. Im guessing "Player A" utg raised 3-4 times the big blind, then Gigabet reraised on the button with Q3 feeling he had control over player A. Then one of the blinds moved all in which Gigabet called? I dont know, im just guessing here.
its far more complicated than that, and I don't want to do him a disservice by speaking for him. I would suggest reading the material.
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This is very "Kung Fu", reminds me of the way Barry G was talking to Mike Matusow the other night.here is the hand ***** Hand History for Game 3469216576 *****NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:19721515 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, January 31, 03:48:56 EDT 2006Table Table 66892 (Real Money)Seat 7 is the buttonTotal number of players : 9 Seat 1: spaulg ( $1805 )Seat 2: funfun1978 ( $880 )Seat 3: JudoGrl ( $950 )Seat 5: jmb2231 ( $445 )Seat 6: solidarityaj ( $760 )Seat 7: SteamedF1sh ( $775 )Seat 8: Gigabet ( $785 )Seat 9: psychic_cat ( $800 )Seat 10: JPPrewitt ( $800 )Trny:19721515 Level:1Blinds(10/15)** Dealing down cards **SteamedF1sh: i would have instacalledJPPrewitt folds.spaulg folds.SteamedF1sh: you think AK just shoves there?funfun1978 calls [15].JudoGrl folds.jmb2231 folds.solidarityaj folds.SteamedF1sh calls [15].Gigabet calls [5].psychic_cat checks.** Dealing Flop ** [ 7, 5, T ]Gigabet bets [45].JudoGrl: are u trying to impress giga?psychic_cat calls [45].funfun1978 folds.SteamedF1sh folds.** Dealing Turn ** [ 7 ]SteamedF1sh: yeahSteamedF1sh: Gigabet bets [90].psychic_cat raises [325].Gigabet will be using his time bank for this hand.SteamedF1sh: bet that flush draw gigaGigabet calls [235].** Dealing River ** [ 2 ]Gigabet checks.psychic_cat is all-In [415]Gigabet will be using his time bank for this hand.Gigabet is all-In [400]Gigabet shows [ Q, T ] two pairs, tens and sevens.psychic_cat shows [ 7, K ] three of a kind, sevens.psychic_cat wins 15 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, sevens.psychic_cat wins 1600 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, sevens.Gigabet finished in ninth place.Gigabet has left the table.The Small Blind left the table. The Dealer button remains in place.Guy says this to GigabetGiga, I have all the respect for your play and thinking about the game, but talking about representing a hand to a random $11er is completely crazy talk. You are throwing away money and ROI points. You are playing against clueless fish. FWIW, even if he's not terrible he should not give you credit for a "hand" you are representing, because to him YOU are probably a random $11er, who overplays garbage and raises limpers out of boredomgigabets replyI say those words because I am used to saying them, I am representing something to this player...a pattern of play, whatever, I know he isn't thinking about my hand. But if I don't make this bet before the flop, then a bet after the flop isn't going to mean anything to this player, except something temporarty, that will probably go away if he just calls it. By making a preflop action, I create a pattern of play that appears as if it doesn't end. So, he is therefore less likely to call the flop bet if he happens to let it wander into his mind that this action is going to happen on every street. He doesn't want to go broke, he knows that, and he starts to notice that these meaningless calls will cost him something in the end. You have heartfelt dedication to making it well known that the avg $11 dollar stt player is a "clueless fish." Why do you think of them that way? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to you to think of them as thinking people who don't understand the game, but are trying? Obviously that is the case, since, the mere act of playing involves some type of effort. And we are pretty sure that most of the time, a real person is behind a computer, somewhere, making those moves.These people are are thinking about something, I guarantee that, they may call out of boredom occasionally, but when that happens, they probably don't know that not calling is better than calling. Why not try and think like they do, obviously that will have a better affect on not only your mindset, but your actual game as well. Thinking about the game in different ways helps you think around corners that were walls before. You cut yourself short by labeling these players in such a deragatory fashion. No one is going to want to put themselves in a clueless fishes place, so they can figure out what they are thinking.

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Great post, I always thought that poker was more than luck and probablities, and it's good to see someone actually put it into words. Reading this post may not help everyone right away, but with the constant use of these thoughts, it's possible to reach each players full potential and beyond

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I haven't read any of his posts yet so I don't know if it sounds good or not, but thanks a lot for letting us all know about it. I'm definately gonna check that out later.

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this thread makes me happy and sadhappy that it's one of the best threads to appear in general for quite a whilesad that it's main point is to direct people to another forumbut on balance happy since people are showing a real interest to improve their game

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this thread makes me happy and sadhappy that it's one of the best threads to appear in general for quite a whilesad that it's main point is to direct people to another forumbut on balance happy since people are showing a real interest to improve their game
I don't like their forums really, don't ever post over there, don't contribute anything over there. I hate to even mention another site, much less draw traffic elsewhere. If I knew that it was appropriate to paste the information here I'd do it. I don't know if the moderators and admin here would care, and maybe more importantly would 2 + 2 care?I wouldn't have even started this thread if I didn't think the information was off the charts brilliant. I'd say there are not 5 people on the planet that think about the game like this guy.
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sorry bcook,didn't mean to be critical of youit's just that general is in such a sad state, so we can't say "read all of teacher12's posts and it will really improve your game." :club: thanks for the links.

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sorry bcook,didn't mean to be critical of youit's just that general is in such a sad state, so we can't say "read all of teacher12's posts and it will really improve your game." :club:  thanks for the links.
No tim I didn't take it as such. I just thinking aloud as if to say "I wish ther e were a better way."
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i have now just finished reading all of his post. Some were just one liners...but i saved all of the long post that he explains a lot of his theorys in ring games and tournaments. I have probably read each one atleast twice already. I really need to improve my game a lot. I havent read anything new/great in a longgggggg time. I thought i knew it all, but I def. need to start checking out the old forums i use to post in. thanks for the heads up again OP. great thread. I LOVE IT!we def. need more of this

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Damn I read an article about the commotion this guy was creating, but now I can't remember where. I think maybe Bluff. I enjoyed reading it. Very interesting. Very "against the grain" in the poker community. Anyone have an idea why he is disrespected by many pros? I guess I shouldn't say many, but I this article quoted one of the Phil's and someone else and they were very negative on his play. The article basically said that his style of play is not effective against players that can read well and that explains why he has struggled in live events.It seems interesting that this, at times ultra aggressive strategy wouldn't work better against very good players rather than internet amateurs. A lot of internet donkeys are more likely to use the rational of "well I'm beat but i got to see it" which would foil a lot of these otherwise well thought out plays.Then again, there must be some reason for his inability to succeed against the best.

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How about this gem. This is absolute gold if you ask me:

Oh eastbay, eastbay, eastbay. You are shutting out some very important tools that are necessary to become a world class player. In this tournament alone, I had mucked the second nut straight, in a HU situation, with no flush on board, and the board wasn't paired. I had folded top set when the board connected a straight that I put my opponent on, and i had folded middle set when a flush hit. I may have been wrong in all 3 situations, however, I was certain enough that I was right, to be able to trust my instincts and have no regrets whatsoever. You just have to have the ability to fold a monster when your instincts are screaming that you are beat. You cannot win against large fields if you cannot make very big laydowns at key moments.Gigabet
Emphasis mine.And this is coming from a guy that plays very "Danielesque" - meaning pretty loose aggressive, not weak-tight like most twoplustwoers.In fairness, here's a link to the page, if I'm going to snip something from there to here, it should be mandatory to give a link back:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...=0&fpart=6&vc=1
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For all those who are thanking me, you are very welcome. As Teneight said, it isn't very often that you will read something that is so "out of the box." To be honest, I don't know what to make of all the stuff he has to say. I am certain I am not ready to impliment some of the things right away. Even if down the road, I figure out that I don't agree, it will still have made me a better player for it. I need to stop putting limitations of how i think about the game.

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