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If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.It's an indictable offense max 2 years in jail, if you are not running the game and just happen to be there, its summary which I believe is 6months.
For a 1st offence?
Its a max of 2 years not sure what you would get for a first offence. By the way Where do you live?
As a Canadian who works in the criminal justice system, I can tell you that for a first offence you'll be looking at nothing except maybe probation. Especially if the Liberals stay in power.
OK so you got 11 days to get the game going and get busted! :club:
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If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.It's an indictable offense max 2 years in jail, if you are not running the game and just happen to be there, its summary which I believe is 6months.
For a 1st offence?
Its a max of 2 years not sure what you would get for a first offence. By the way Where do you live?
Yah, he's going to tell us all where he lives. lol.
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We have a club where i live that does this....i used to a be a dealer for them and also played there.  I was making some nice money on tips, but anyways if you plan on doing this, im not sure if you understand the time it takes to make sure everything runs smoothly.  First off security is a big issue, anyone at anytime can go off and start causing problems. I would just make sure you have a big friend there to keep things under control if need be, yes also keep the money hidden.  The money will pour in if you have a good dealer and a game that consists of people that have deep pockets.  Also make everyone that comes to your games be referred by someone in your group of players.  You can supply pop and some food, but boos would not be a good idea.  Also dont let no little kids play and then lose their money and go censored to mommy and daddy, that will get you busted.  It takes alot of work getting it going, granted you may have a group of friends that want to do this, but they will all not be available to play everynight.  You need to make phone calls to get new players and keep a full table going as much as possible, most players do not like to play short-handed, atleast not no limit with a rake....just my advicegood luck
This is good advice, where are you going to have the game?
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In my area there is a real need for a consistent cash game as not everyone is able to make it to a casino on a regular basis.The idea that is being tossed around by a few of the regulars is to have an illegal cash game that runs several times a week.Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourney but rather would have the people buying in for value from the house (the house being those of us who run it) and then every hand gets raked up to $3.Our typical group of people who play ranges from 7-15 guys and we figure if we could get 30 guys together 3 nights a week for 3 hours then we could do ok running it with a rake. Free booze and food would be there as well.My question is for those who have played or ran in these kind of games, is it profitable and is it worth the headache of setting up?If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.
screw it.Run it and have a blast.My buddy does it twice a week and it is well worth it.Just make sure you know everyone.
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Yeah, this is hardly even illegal. As long as you know the people there, nothing bad will happen. If you did something stupid like advertise, you might get in trouble, but as long as you know the people involved, I don't see any problems arising.

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what are white castles?
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are you kidding me? :club::D:D
not totally, but in the end they are. White Castle is a fast food chain that sells White castles(little hamburgers) They are made of horrible meat and make you shit about 20 mins after eating them. But, whoever plays at Trump in Indiana knows that it is the only place to grab something to eat when you leave there, so if you do, I suggest the chicken rings or the mozzerella sticks, stay away from any of their burgers.
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what are white castles?
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are you kidding me? :club::D:D
not totally, but in the end they are. White Castle is a fast food chain that sells White castles(little hamburgers) They are made of horrible meat and make you censored about 20 mins after eating them. But, whoever plays at Trump in Indiana knows that it is the only place to grab something to eat when you leave there, so if you do, I suggest the chicken rings or the mozzerella sticks, stay away from any of their burgers.
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Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourneyWhen exactly did that become the "typical" home game?Don't do it, seriously.  It'll end badly.  good luck.
All the home games I play in are usually buyin of $X and a touney style where the top 3 or whatever pay.I am skeptical about the whole idea personally but wanted some other opinions from people who have maybe been around these kind of games.
you can find a RAKE FREE - NONtourney style game (aka a cash game) in the houston area any night of the week...anything from .25/.50NLHE to 5-5NLHE and higher... other games as well of course but id say the ever popular NLHE is an easy find... RAKE FREE...charge your buddies if you want but why not instead make a local forum and recruit players... if youre good, you can make enough off the incoming fish....
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In my area there is a real need for a consistent cash game as not everyone is able to make it to a casino on a regular basis.The idea that is being tossed around by a few of the regulars is to have an illegal cash game that runs several times a week.Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourney but rather would have the people buying in for value from the house (the house being those of us who run it) and then every hand gets raked up to $3.Our typical group of people who play ranges from 7-15 guys and we figure if we could get 30 guys together 3 nights a week for 3 hours then we could do ok running it with a rake. Free booze and food would be there as well.My question is for those who have played or ran in these kind of games, is it profitable and is it worth the headache of setting up?If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.
I don't think the legal implications are too much to worry about, just make sure you take that advice of no cash on tables, just chips. I like the idea of keeping cash offsite...I would not recomend you play in these games just would raise suspicion if any claims were made.The security thing should be an issue, esspecially if you are aroudn one of the major hubs (Toronto, Vancouver, etc) you might want to invest in a decoy lock box, and a hidden safe. ofcourse based on the limits ur running. I would even go so far as to get some fake bills in the decoy, never know what might help in the case of a robbery. Before i get flamed, remember those are if you are planning on making serious money off it....rake is a bad idea!! esspecially if you are going to use the plausible deniability of oh we're just playing for fun! all they will ask is why you have a pile of chips in a box? no answer!! session fees is the smartest way like i think someone suggested earlier.GLIra
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what are white castles?
laxatives
are you kidding me? :club::D:D
not totally, but in the end they are. White Castle is a fast food chain that sells White castles(little hamburgers) They are made of horrible meat and make you censored about 20 mins after eating them. But, whoever plays at Trump in Indiana knows that it is the only place to grab something to eat when you leave there, so if you do, I suggest the chicken rings or the mozzerella sticks, stay away from any of their burgers.
This White Castle discussion gave me some horrible flashbacks. They're nicknamed "sliders", presumably because of how fast they go through you. The last time (only time, actually) I went to White Castle, the burgers cost $0.25 each. I was third in line. The first guy orderd 50 of them. The next guy ordered 200. Took forever. Then the food, or course, was some of the worst stuff I've ever eaten. I think week old chicken nuggets would taste better.
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Meh how do you guys dislike white castle.Basically its a place that most people either love or hate. Greasy burgers that kill your stomach but they sure taste good. Normal human being can easily eat 7-8. With an average male being able to eat 12-15.

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i used to live in nova scotia and for "YEARS" the GRECO" club has been running and there has never been an issue ~ i will also add that most poker dealers from the local casino play there !!!you wont have any issue running a game just be smart and you will be fine !!

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In my area there is a real need for a consistent cash game as not everyone is able to make it to a casino on a regular basis.The idea that is being tossed around by a few of the regulars is to have an illegal cash game that runs several times a week.Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourney but rather would have the people buying in for value from the house (the house being those of us who run it) and then every hand gets raked up to $3.Our typical group of people who play ranges from 7-15 guys and we figure if we could get 30 guys together 3 nights a week for 3 hours then we could do ok running it with a rake. Free booze and food would be there as well.My question is for those who have played or ran in these kind of games, is it profitable and is it worth the headache of setting up?If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.
I ran a game in Atlanta for about 5 months.It's tough. There's a lot of overhead if you want to do it right (11.5g unique chips, tables with a dropbox, and plastic cards should easily cost you more than 1K USD). Then come chairs, tv's... et cetera.You also need to either learn how to deal or hire a dealer. It's best if the players know the dealer works for tips. I made between $150 to $250 dealing for 8 hours when I dealt.Buy a rule book and follow it like law 100% of the time. If a dispute ever happens, make sure you're right, and then be absolutely unwavering in how right you are. If you lose a player over it, that's tough... but you absolutely cannot have a selective enforcement of rules. Games evaporate overnight when players lose faith in the system.We raked 10% up to $5... dealing 2 tables for 4 hours and 1 table for 8 hours total, we dropped about $1000 a night at $1/$2 NL with a $300 max past midnite. That's after expenses (we had chips, beer, sodas, and usually ordered dinner: either pizza or chinese).You'll also quickly learn that you'll be LUCKY if 50-80% of the people that say they're showing up actually WILL show up that night. You need regulars to keep a game going. You also need to be a competent enough player to prop for your own game.Oh by the way, I can personally confirm 11 such illegal games like this, including mine, have been robbed at gunpoint in the Atlanta area in the last 15 months. Good luck dealing with that... and it CAN happen to you. The only security against it is that you know your players very, very well... and hope your crazy/stupid players (that the game MUST have to function) aren't dumb enough to do something like that.In Georgia, a raked cardroom where a house profits technically fits the statute for Commercial Gambling, a B Felony. One game in Atlanta got raided about a year ago. The $20K-ish in play was "seized as evidence" and 25 players got $1000 tickets and an overniter in the county. The 4 guys that ran it were charged. Their bail was between $10k and $25k, but I'm pretty sure the lawyers got them probation/community service type punishments.Good luck to you though!
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Agreed, a rake of 3$ seems extremely high for a home game.
I still can't believe I used to play where a flat 10% was cut from every pot. That is the standard here. Talk about some money being made. The funny part the guy(s) who ran/cut the game were very bad players and played back all of it during the day/night. :roll:
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wow $3 rake at a homegame. i would much rather play at a casino. better service, security, certified dealers, lots of donks, and you wont get arrested for playing pokerteneight
Not to mention FREE BEER!
not in most places
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Sooner or later if you have it on a regular basis and more and more people start to hear about it and the stakes are high enough.. YOU ARE GOING TO GET ROBBED.... Just my $.02, have seen it before and have heard about it to many times to count. If you do start one up good luck and make sure you have some security as folks have said... And no security is not one or you boys that has a gun.

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