alf13 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 You know...there has been some serious azzholes pop into this thread......You fukin jagoffs can try disagreeing and pointing out why the OP is wrong or why he is off base...there is no need to make snide comments and insults......The comments made toward the OP in a "matter of fact" way are my favorite...you god damn donks go work on your games because I suspect most of you probably are donks at best and horrible at worst.....Debate with respect...the OP has never been an azzhole on these forums and I think he deserves it...Stop acting like a bunch of children that deserved to be beaten. Link to post Share on other sites
Petoria 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Would you prefer that DN not write a poker blog? Would you prefer that he exclude anything about him winning at poker in the blog?Of course not! You should know better.I just don't think that it was proper to brag after the fact in that manner.So conversely should I not post my opinion?Come on, it is dialog and opinion.Agree, don't agree that's fine.Just do it respectfully.This is NOT an attack on Daniel Negrenau!I like him, but just as I would expect you folks to call me on something I do that you don't agree with, I gave my opinion. Daniel is human just like you and I and can and does make mistakes. IN my opinion he made one, and I think that when he reads this, he will not be upset or offended by my opinion. He will rationally read it and either agree with some, all or none of my post and will move on accordingly.I am NOT out to change Daniel or anyone else! I simply voiced my opinion, period.I am sure that Daniel does not want people to not give their opinions. I am not a yes man, sorry!! I have never, ever been afraid to voice my opinion, regardless of whether or not if made me more or less popular and I won't change now.I just won't blindly read everything here and nod my head and agree as most of you don't either.So really you're more upset about DN writing about him winning? That he said the game was "soft". Does it matter whether or not the game actually was soft? Why should he write a blog if everytime he wins, he gets attacked. EDIT: I really don't know what to call if it's not an attack. A criticism? You're talking about semantics at that point.How would have you written this blog if you were DN? Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I remember playing a hand at a lower limit than usual with a certain member of this forum. We were doing pretty much the same thing DN did (granted, we were playing limit). I 3-bet some guy with 10-8 suited, the FCP'er called, as did the other guy. I ended up bettnig/raising/capping and sucking out.I'm sure you all of have similar stories. This is the same thing for DN. If you can't afford to lose at 5/10 NL, you should''nt be playing it. DN did nothing wrong.He has more money than you. Get over it. Link to post Share on other sites
Allie 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Major, I guess I'm one of the few people who agrees with you. As a brazillian other people pointed out, Daniel can do whatever he wants, play where/and what he wants...but to me the situation felt like he was just sitting in that game to fuck with the "little people" for fun. It's his right to do that, I just didn't think it was cool. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Bottom line. DN sat at a No Limit poker table with the max buy in (if there is a max buy in, I don't know....but it doesn't matter), and played poker. He didn't break any rules or cheat anyone out of money. He played poker. I don't know what can possibly be wrong with that....poker is a "mean" game if you will, what is he supposed to do, not play because he is "too rich" for the game. Plus, AT ANY POINT, every single one of those players could have walked away from the game and sat at a new table. I don't think DN did anything wrong at all, I am glad to see he is motivated to play some poker for a change. Nice blog. Link to post Share on other sites
BilliardsBoy 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I understand he was having fun and can do what he wants, but it seems like his job as ambassador to make the poker playres happy. If they were happy having DN there betting ridiculous amounts and raising blind, then I have no problem. If they were upset and might not come back to taht game, then what he did was wrong.Totally agree with this statement. I have faith that DN would be able to tell if his antics were welcome or not and act accordingly, he is after all the ambasador.I think everyone is being really harsh to the OP, although I do think it is funny that that "triple layer flame retardant suit" went out the door after about the first 2 posts, LoL. Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Bottom line. DN sat at a No Limit poker table with the max buy in (if there is a max buy in, I don't know....but it doesn't matter), and played poker. He didn't break any rules or cheat anyone out of money. He played poker. I don't know what can possibly be wrong with that....poker is a "mean" game if you will, what is he supposed to do, not play because he is "too rich" for the game. Plus, AT ANY POINT, every single one of those players could have walked away from the game and sat at a new table. I don't think DN did anything wrong at all, I am glad to see he is motivated to play some poker for a change. Nice blog.This is one of the best posts you've ever made. Link to post Share on other sites
ffishh 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 OP you are being stupid.You said in the first paragraph of OP that you expected to get flamed. You get flamed and then get all whiny about taking a hiatus. Get over yourself. Negreanu's not allowed to talk about how he ran over a game? In HIS blog? On HIS website?ffishh Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 This is one of the best posts you've ever made.Don't you mean the only good post he has ever made? Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Okay I have a triple layer flame retardant suit on, as I fully expect about 4,000 degree flames coming my way.I of course like most of you have not met Daniel and would certainly like to at some point. I like his style most of the time and enjoy watching him play on TV.Having said all of that I really was not happy to read his entry today about his amusing antics at the $5.00-$10.00 table beating the hell out of the little guy.I think Daniel needs to reflect back to when he was a new and or less financially secure player and how he would have felt if a very wealthy pro sat down at his $5-10 table and started betting tens of thousands of dollars. I would love for anyone to sit with 10k$ and donk off in my games. wouldnt you? Bingo- this is the very reason why I drool when Helmuth sits down- he's not there to play, he is there to advertise. Really, I would have loved to be in that game, I would have just waited to get payed off, because he could and he would. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Bottom line. DN sat at a No Limit poker table with the max buy in (if there is a max buy in, I don't know....but it doesn't matter), and played poker. He didn't break any rules or cheat anyone out of money. He played poker. I don't know what can possibly be wrong with that....poker is a "mean" game if you will, what is he supposed to do, not play because he is "too rich" for the game. Plus, AT ANY POINT, every single one of those players could have walked away from the game and sat at a new table. I don't think DN did anything wrong at all, I am glad to see he is motivated to play some poker for a change. Nice blog. THE.... BEST..... POST.... YOU... HAVE ..... EVER.... MADE. Nice work, Koop. Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 This is one of the best posts you've ever made.Don't you mean the only good post he has ever made?I've gotta admit, I don't pay that much attention. Link to post Share on other sites
Timdog1010 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Bottom line. DN sat at a No Limit poker table with the max buy in (if there is a max buy in, I don't know....but it doesn't matter), and played poker. He didn't break any rules or cheat anyone out of money. He played poker. I don't know what can possibly be wrong with that....poker is a "mean" game if you will, what is he supposed to do, not play because he is "too rich" for the game. Plus, AT ANY POINT, every single one of those players could have walked away from the game and sat at a new table. I don't think DN did anything wrong at all, I am glad to see he is motivated to play some poker for a change. Nice blog.I think everyone understands that Daniel broke no rules and was perfectly within his rights to do what he did. I guess there's just a couple of us who wonder if that was really in the spirit of good sportsmanship. And I know that this is where I get flamed because there's no sportsmanship in poker, it's all about cutting the other guy's throat & taking their money, etc.To which I don't have much of a response. All I can say is that my gut reaction upon reading the blog was 'well, in a way, that's not too cool...' Link to post Share on other sites
Crg35 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Just got back from Vegas yesterday and I have to say that at Bellagio every "TV" pro imaginable was there and playing every game from 4-8 limit to 2-5 NL and up. All were doing the same thing DN was doing so don't single him out. I played 2-5 NL and there were only 2 amatuers at the table. Virtually every decision was for all your chips and there was a lot of smack talking and I loved it. Someone sucked out runner runner straight when I was all in w/ 2 pair after the flop. Oh well, that's poker. If a certain table dynamic does not suit you it is your responsiblity to recognize that and move. Link to post Share on other sites
majorleag 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 First of all Major, you have used the phrase "with all due respect" about 500 times already so find another one.Second of all, they were in Las Vegas. Home of 1000 poker rooms. So if they were not comfortable with the stakes or style of play, leaving was an option. Even if they had to wait 30 minutes. It was not a captive audience.You are acting like DN had been cheating. He did everything within the rules ot that casino.As soon as I come up with something better then with "with all due respect" I will use it. But it is an appropriate statement.Again please do not take my words out of context. Where did I say or in anyway imply that Daniel was cheating?That is an unfair characterization of my comments.I did not nor do I think what he did was cheating and I did not say or even remotely imply that it was. Link to post Share on other sites
majorleag 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 OP you are being stupid.You said in the first paragraph of OP that you expected to get flamed. You get flamed and then get all whiny about taking a hiatus. Get over yourself. Negreanu's not allowed to talk about how he ran over a game? In HIS blog? On HIS website?ffishhI think by now it should be blatantly obvious that my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I said I might take a hiatus.Again the fact that my opinion differs from you does not inherently make me stupid, but if it makes you feel better to call me stupid then do so.BTW, I am back from lunch! Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Bottom line. DN sat at a No Limit poker table with the max buy in (if there is a max buy in, I don't know....but it doesn't matter), and played poker. He didn't break any rules or cheat anyone out of money. He played poker. I don't know what can possibly be wrong with that....poker is a "mean" game if you will, what is he supposed to do, not play because he is "too rich" for the game. Plus, AT ANY POINT, every single one of those players could have walked away from the game and sat at a new table. I don't think DN did anything wrong at all, I am glad to see he is motivated to play some poker for a change. Nice blog.I think everyone understands that Daniel broke no rules and was perfectly within his rights to do what he did. I guess there's just a couple of us who wonder if that was really in the spirit of good sportsmanship. And I know that this is where I get flamed because there's no sportsmanship in poker, it's all about cutting the other guy's throat & taking their money, etc.To which I don't have much of a response. All I can say is that my gut reaction upon reading the blog was 'well, in a way, that's not too cool...' You don't at any point in a cash game try to have more chips than anyone else? I really do not see what the problem is- really, he did nothing wrong, he just played poker, albeit with a little more than neccessary at the time but you can't tell me you would have hated seeing his stack knowing that Daniels Jh-8-d on a board of 8d-9d-2h-6c-Kc probably pays off your pocket tens, possibly in a big way. Dan would be playing for fun, practice, whatever you call it but there would be money to be made, and is that not what matters? Link to post Share on other sites
elkang 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Nice post Crg35. One of the truest and more accurate posts in this thread. I saw some other good posts as well. I'll be there Tues-Sat next week and have no doubt I'll see more of the same. The rest of you who have such a low tolerance for different "table dynamics" - I just have to laugh and ignore your posts. Link to post Share on other sites
majorleag 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 Just got back from Vegas yesterday and I have to say that at Bellagio every "TV" pro imaginable was there and playing every game from 4-8 limit to 2-5 NL and up. All were doing the same thing DN was doing so don't single him out. I played 2-5 NL and there were only 2 amatuers at the table. Virtually every decision was for all your chips and there was a lot of smack talking and I loved it. Someone sucked out runner runner straight when I was all in w/ 2 pair after the flop. Oh well, that's poker. If a certain table dynamic does not suit you it is your responsiblity to recognize that and move.That is another great post.You were there and experienced it, can't argue with that. I am open minded enough to change my mind/opinion and your post certainly means you understood what I was saying and makes me think that maybe that instance with Daniel was accepted just fine by the other players.I guess it largly becomes a matter of perspective and motives, in other words if you are sitting down at a table to be entertained then I agree that having Daniel or Hellmuth or some other pro sit down and play like that might be very fun to watch.If on the other hand you are their to win money and expect to sit down to similar bankrolls and have a decent skill set, then if a Daniel sits down and plays with the described bankroll and manner, then you might not be as amused.Again I was not there and it might very well have been very well received, it just was not exactly the way I interpreted it, and again that is just MY opinion folks, doesn't make it right or wrong, just an opinion.I will also agree that more than likely the age old adage "There is no such thing as bad publicity" probably holds true here and The Wynn was happy to have him there. See I can change some of my opinions. Link to post Share on other sites
Bockcara 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Am I the only person who saw this and thought of B Buddy on Pokerstars, who plays 10/20 NL occasionally and goes all in every hand? 2k a shot, regardless of what his cards are, pretty funny. Anyway he is just joking around like Daniel and was winning similar amounst of money (including when he took about a 10k pot with T3o against TWO overpairs ) That didn't cause people to want out, they just stayed and waited on a big hand. Meanwhile, the waiting list grew to over 40+ people on both of the tables he was at. Have fun with it people, adapt, and like everyone before me said; play with money you can afford to lose... Link to post Share on other sites
JBradburn6 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Major, I beg to differ. I never sit down at the poker table with money I'm not prepared to lose. I obviously don't want to lose it, but if I do, it isn't the end of my world. Another way to view this would be to look at the first hand he talked about. That guy made 2800 in two minutes. Take the good with the bad. If he is playing reckless, that is his perogative. He is there to take their money and they are there to take his. Free will bubba, you don't like the table, get up and sit at another one. Wait for premium hands and go all in and let the cards fall where they may. If it wasn't DN but some crazy "nutcase" playing, you would call the game juicy and be dying to sit down. Give him a break. He is just a poker player looking for a game. Don't hate on him for having cash to blow. If you had that cash, wouldn't you enjoy doing the same thing he did? I would.Again with all due respect, I am not sure that some of you have read my entire original post in its full context.I have NO issue with him playing whereever he wants at what ever level he wants.He has a choice to play at $5-10 on up to the sky's the limit.The others DO NOT necessarily have that same choice. That is the point, that they may not be able to move easily.I can assure you that if I had the kind of money he has I would NOT go to a $5-10 table and start playing as he has.You cannot compare you, me or some other rich guy. He is a paid ambassador for The Wynn casino so he needs to act a little differently than you or I.Even if he were not doing this in his home casino it still would do nothing for his reputation, the reputation of other pro's and or the game of poker.That was my point.So let me reframe the question:Can anyone tell me how Daniel's behavior as he himself has posted can possibly be good and beneficial for the game of poker?For just a moment forget everything else and just concentrate and focus on answering the question in bold.How about you answer the question how and why Daniel's behavior is bad and detrimental to the game of poker? If you can't handle losing an all in to a suck out, you shouldn't be sitting at the table. That's not DN's fault. If you don't enjoy playing with a name pro like DN, go to a different table. I think most people would be thrilled to sit with him.Also, the chances of making money when DN's just messing around has got to be much greater than the chances of losing money. A big part of poker is changing your game to take advantage of the circumstances. Loose aggressive players are not uncommon; if the other players didn't know how to play against a player like that, they could definitely learn by the players who did make money. Link to post Share on other sites
chipsnski 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Who cares if its "unfair" to sit down with a monster stack at a table like that? Thats just donkeyville anyway.Any monkey could sit down with 10x everyone's money, raise big preflop and then put them all in post flop without looking at their hole cards. Where is the challenge in that?Skill: Next time sit down at a max buy in game, $2-$5, $500, run that up to several grand without multiple bustouts then people can be impressed. Link to post Share on other sites
Crg35 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 If on the other hand you are their to win money Oh, I was there to win money, but, well, you know...ELKANG...Ask about the Bellagio poker comps. They are giving out great room rates ($100 - $125 week nights) if you gaurantee time in the poker room. Link to post Share on other sites
FREDDIE MERCURY 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 In a situation like that, you should probably play a tighter and if you don't like him there with that big stack, then get up and leave. If I dropped a couple hundred to him, at least I had a great story to tell. Link to post Share on other sites
elkang 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 If on the other hand you are their to win money Oh, I was there to win money, but, well, you know...ELKANG...Ask about the Bellagio poker comps. They are giving out great room rates ($100 - $125 week nights) if you gaurantee time in the poker room.I already have my room comped. But, will probably play at Bellagio due to convenience rather than Wynn (where I usually play). Link to post Share on other sites
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