why do you fold bottom pair after a bet and a raise?

[bourbenz 0]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

Because they don't undertstand the concept of EV.

Like Cypher said in The Matrix "ignorance is bliss."

I'm just guessing here But I dont think he made that up! :shock:

[Stylin_Fish 0]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

Because they don't undertstand the concept of EV.

Like Cypher said in The Matrix "ignorance is bliss."

I'm just guessing here But I dont think he made that up! :shock:

I doubt it too, but I don't know who said it and I didn't want to look. :-)

[KDawgCometh 2]

wow, aseems's first meaningless post, you just popped your cherry, welcome to the club. and not only is it a meaningless post, ITS A MEANINGLESS THREAD. nice hand sir

[akishore 0]

wow, aseems's first meaningless post, you just popped your cherry, welcome to the club. and not only is it a meaningless post, ITS A MEANINGLESS THREAD. nice hand sir

no, it's not meaningless.today alone, i read four seperate threads where a poster implied that low limits weren't beatable, that people calling down with worse hands was a BAD thing.this thread is a short and concise argument to show them that they're retarded.please, i don't make pointless posts, much less threads. i'm above that. aseem

[faisal 0]

answer the question.aseem

Its not worth chasing, unless the pot is big enough. You could, but it does not gurantee you the pot, and plus people will call you a fish.

[JaysonWeber 0]

I just spent like 2 minutes of my life reading a long thread on cardplayer about a guy trying to give the reasoning that you either need a really really big bankroll at low-limits or you need to move up so that you don't get sucked out on as much.I wasn't too harsh in my response but I basically called him a donkey... Add this too your favorite everyone and link this to the 542 posts we get a day from donkey's.

[faisal 0]

I just spent like 2 minutes of my life reading a long thread on cardplayer about a guy trying to give the reasoning that you either need a really really big bankroll at low-limits or you need to move up so that you don't get sucked out on as much.I wasn't too harsh in my response but I basically called him a donkey... Add this too your favorite everyone and link this to the 542 posts we get a day from donkey's.

Low limit poker ( in the casinos) that ive experienced, is a tough game to consistenly beat. I used to beat it all the time, but thats when I played short sessions, and won a pot and got up, hardly beating the game. You get runner runnered often, due to the lack of skill and disregard for money, that players have. You can win alot some days, and lose just as much other. I usually play 4/8 but have played in bigger games(at least in calgary) like 15/30.I found that in 15/30, it was more proper poker, with a couple crazies, if any at the table, and alot of positional raising. Its a tough game, but I would say I could beat it more often than 4/8, for a couple reasons1) smarter players2) ability to bluff3)players can lay down hands that are marginal.Low limit poker, is not something one should consider making a living at, I would find it very very hard. As some fish at the tables say "its just too cheap to let go"

[cdddc75 0]

I just spent like 2 minutes of my life reading a long thread on cardplayer about a guy trying to give the reasoning that you either need a really really big bankroll at low-limits or you need to move up so that you don't get sucked out on as much.I wasn't too harsh in my response but I basically called him a donkey... Add this too your favorite everyone and link this to the 542 posts we get a day from donkey's.

Low limit poker ( in the casinos) that ive experienced, is a tough game to consistenly beat. I used to beat it all the time, but thats when I played short sessions, and won a pot and got up, hardly beating the game. You get runner runnered often, due to the lack of skill and disregard for money, that players have. You can win alot some days, and lose just as much other. I usually play 4/8 but have played in bigger games(at least in calgary) like 15/30.I found that in 15/30, it was more proper poker, with a couple crazies, if any at the table, and alot of positional raising. Its a tough game, but I would say I could beat it more often than 4/8, for a couple reasons1) smarter players2) ability to bluff3)players can lay down hands that are marginal.Low limit poker, is not something one should consider making a living at, I would find it very very hard. As some fish at the tables say "its just too cheap to let go"

Can I sue for damaged brain cells from reading this post?

[faisal 0]

Thats what ive experienced.Maybe its different where you live, but down here, thats how it is.Sorry if it makes you cry about how you wasted time.AND if a good rate would be one BB (big bet)8bucks an hour isnt that great man.If you can live on 8, good 4 u..

[brian67 0]

Low limit poker is beatable in the long run. Yes, in the shortrun you may get sucked out on enough to lose money, but if you are constantly getting your chips in with the best hand you will win in the long run. Personally for me to lose in low limit (particularly at the casino) i have to get hit by a ridiculous string of bad beats, and it doesn't happen often. There is just so much free money in each pot, players that see the flop with the most terrible hands, and then a total lack of post flop skill to back it up. If you don't get careless you can consistently win in low limit.

[brian67 0]

AND if a good rate would be one BB (big bet)8bucks an hour isnt that great man.If you can live on 8, good 4 u..

and about this....who said that one BB an hour in 4-8 is a good hourly rate?

[emineric 0]

low limit holdem is a very beatable game. if you're not crushing it over the long run you're either: A. not that good, or 2. not adjusting your game. my guess is a combo of both, because if you were that good you would know to adjust your game. the end.

[JaysonWeber 0]

http://forums.cardplayer.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751Just... read that... I'm getting frustrated.

[Azzy666 0]

and about this....who said that one BB an hour in 4-8 is a good hourly rate?

You kind of lose all respect for him when he says that he's only pulling in 1 BB an hour from a low-limit game, eh? ha ha ha ha

[Azzy666 0]

http://forums.cardplayer.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751Just... read that... I'm getting frustrated.

ow.... my head hurts now

[koa 0]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

Who the hek complains that low limit is not beatable?????

[Socrates 0]

I don't know what you mean, Socrates.

I haven't commented yet. :wink:

[Socrates 0]

I just spent like 2 minutes of my life reading a long thread on cardplayer about a guy trying to give the reasoning that you either need a really really big bankroll at low-limits or you need to move up so that you don't get sucked out on as much.I wasn't too harsh in my response but I basically called him a donkey... Add this too your favorite everyone and link this to the 542 posts we get a day from donkey's.

Low limit poker ( in the casinos) that ive experienced, is a tough game to consistenly beat. I used to beat it all the time, but thats when I played short sessions, and won a pot and got up, hardly beating the game. You get runner runnered often, due to the lack of skill and disregard for money, that players have. You can win alot some days, and lose just as much other. I usually play 4/8 but have played in bigger games(at least in calgary) like 15/30.I found that in 15/30, it was more proper poker, with a couple crazies, if any at the table, and alot of positional raising. Its a tough game, but I would say I could beat it more often than 4/8, for a couple reasons1) smarter players2) ability to bluff3)players can lay down hands that are marginal.Low limit poker, is not something one should consider making a living at, I would find it very very hard. As some fish at the tables say "its just too cheap to let go"

There are 3 flaws in your thiking here...1. Playing smarter players usually costs you money2. Why do you need to bluff against horrible players, they call anything remember? You just need a hand3. Folding marginal hands? Sounds like you may be playing too many marginal hands in low limit causing you to lose.In all honesty, while the rate at which you make money at low limits may be slower than it is playing higher limits, you should be winning more consistenly against bad players. You should be crushing a game in which people 1. aren't that smart 2. you don't need to bluff and 3. they play marginal hands too much.

[SapphireTiger 0]

http://forums.cardplayer.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751Just... read that... I'm getting frustrated.

on a MORE important note.Who.Is.That. in your avatar.

[Dr_Shakes 0]

Why would I fold? I wouldn't fold I would three bet it the other guys are probably bluffing anyways. :wink:

[JaysonWeber 0]

http://forums.cardplayer.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751Just... read that... I'm getting frustrated.

on a MORE important note.Who.Is.That. in your avatar.

That's My Fiance Sapphire..

[custom36 4]

http://forums.cardplayer.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751Just... read that... I'm getting frustrated.

on a MORE important note.Who.Is.That. in your avatar.

That's My Fiance Sapphire..

Seriously though, who is it?

[JaysonWeber 0]

http://forums.cardplayer.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751Just... read that... I'm getting frustrated.

on a MORE important note.Who.Is.That. in your avatar.

That's My Fiance Sapphire..

Seriously though, who is it?

Adriama Lima... I am searching for a women like this without the attitude and baggage that comes with a victoria secret model...

[SapphireTiger 0]

http://forums.cardplayer.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751Just... read that... I'm getting frustrated.

on a MORE important note.Who.Is.That. in your avatar.

That's My Fiance Sapphire..

Seriously though, who is it?

Adriama Lima... I am searching for a women like this without the attitude and baggage that comes with a victoria secret model...

aren't we all...

[JaysonWeber 0]

http://forums.cardplayer.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751Just... read that... I'm getting frustrated.

on a MORE important note.Who.Is.That. in your avatar.

That's My Fiance Sapphire..

Seriously though, who is it?

Adriama Lima... I am searching for a women like this without the attitude and baggage that comes with a victoria secret model...

aren't we all...

So.. the secret's out? Good looking women along with intellegence that aren't impossible to get along with are hard to find? Damn Forums... let all the secrets out.