why do you fold bottom pair after a bet and a raise?

[akishore 0]

answer the question.aseem

[custom36 4]

I'm beat.

[bigkg 0]

Because I have to take a crap.

[bigkg 0]

And I'm beat.Aseem, I would like to hear your deep thinking here to this question.

[econ_tim 0]

Because it is better than Open Farrelling bottom pair?

[akishore 0]

why do you fold if you're beat?aseem

[bigkg 0]

why do you fold if you're beat?aseem

Because I like money?

[custom36 4]

why do you fold if you're beat?aseem

It would be -EV to carry on.

[econ_tim 0]

Here's a different answer.If you are beat, you have maybe 5 outs. Maybe if the pot is big you can call two, but in most cases you aren't getting the odds.If you aren't beat, the raiser could be making a free card play meaning that he probably has a good draw. So you have to dogde the draw outs plus the over outs, and you won't know which cards beat you. If it is on the flop and you have to dodge 15 outs twice (assuming the bettor and raiser have overs plus some weak draw) then you are getting bad full odds.

[vaglvr 0]

Are we going to find out that 2 +2 really = 5 or something?

[Dirtydutch 8]

Because your “reverse implied odds are 500,000:900”? I mean you win that hand a million times!

[Stylin_Fish 0]

See, i use the valuable fold/raise tactic here. It's a really good time to use it.

[akishore 0]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

[Dirtydutch 8]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

LIKE I SAID!Because your “reverse implied odds are 500,000:900”? I mean you win that hand a million times!

[bigkg 0]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

Because they don't undertstand the concept of EV.

[vaglvr 0]

I don't know what you mean, Socrates.

[custom36 4]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

Because people exaggerate. And people are stoopid. And those people suck at poker.

[Stylin_Fish 0]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

Because they don't undertstand the concept of EV.

Like Cypher said in The Matrix "ignorance is bliss."

[akishore 0]

that last question was rhetorical. jayson, sticky this so that people can link it anytime another fish complains that low limits aren't beatable and that you need to play good players to make money.aseem

[vaglvr 0]

that last question was rhetorical. jayson, sticky this so that people can link it anytime another fish complains that low limits aren't beatable and that you need to play good players to make money.aseem

Have you worked your way to absolute poker? Playing low limits at this place will be a stark reminder to these players.

[custom36 4]

This was a really bad test. I'm glad you're not a teacher.(sw for the sarcasm-retarded)

[dmoneypoker 0]

because it's not PPPPPPPPPPPLUS EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVV to continue the hand.... BILL FILLMAFF!!!But the implied tilt odds of sucking out if you hit trips or two pair are immense!

[Hand_Cracker 0]

if carrying on with bottom pair against a bet and a raise is -EV and it costs you money, why do so many people repeatedly complain that low-limit games aren't beatable because people don't know how to fold and keep calling down with bottom pair against a bet and a raise?aseem

their just big whinning babies.but were all guilty of it at some point in time.

[Dirtydutch 8]

because it's not PPPPPPPPPPPLUS EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVV to continue the hand.... BILL FILLMAFF!!!But the implied tilt odds of sucking out if you hit trips or two pair are immense!

I have the monopoly on Fillmaff quotes in this thread.

[Smasharoo 0]

But the implied tilt odds of sucking out if you hit trips or two pair are immense!Never underestimate implied tild odds.