Marchione 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Here are 9 poker rooms you might not know about in VegasCircus Circus10 table poker room with soft play on low limit tables.If your looking for big money action this is “NOT” the place for you.However an ok player can make 200-300 (easy) a night in this room.Bally's / Parisok tournaments and most action is on the holdem tables and 7 card stud tables.Not a bad place to play when there are conventions in town Excalibur mostly Hold’em is played here but they do have a few 7 card tables that get the over flow from the waiting list of Holdem tables , learn how to play 7 card and you will do VERY well here Imperial palacenew poker room, low limits weekly poker tournaments Plaza not the nicest poker room but it has Action and what a way to grind it out in this city, and more tournaments being held here in the heart of downtown BABY !!!!!! (I won my first live tournament here)Sahara Casino15 tables mostly low limit with 3-4 daily tournaments soft and easy playing here especially the 4-8 table.Santa Fehold’em no limit and Omaha, with the no limit 100 max buy ins Stardust Casino small poker room with 15-20 tables, mostly low limit hold’em with a few 7 card tables.ORLEANSNice big 35 table poker room that is a one of the best kept secrets in LV~ here is a list (from there website) of table action Spreading the Following Games:$1 - $5 Seven Card Stud$2 - $4 Texas Hold'em$4-$8-$8 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 Kill$6 - $12 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 Kill$10 - $20 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 KillNo Limit Texas Hold'em$4-$8-$8 Omaha Hi with a 1/2 Kill$4-$8-$8 Omaha Hi-Lo with a 1/2 Kill$10 - $20 Omaha Hi-Lo with a 1/2 KilTwo Tournaments Daily at 12 Noon and at 7PMplease add to list Link to post Share on other sites
mbreon 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Here are 9 poker rooms you might not know about in VegasCircus Circus10 table poker room with soft play on low limit tables.If your looking for big money action this is “NOT” the place for you.However an ok player can make 200-300 (easy) a night in this room.Bally's / Parisok tournaments and most action is on the holdem tables and 7 card stud tables.Not a bad place to play when there are conventions in town Excalibur mostly Hold’em is played here but they do have a few 7 card tables that get the over flow from the waiting list of Holdem tables , learn how to play 7 card and you will do VERY well here Imperial palacenew poker room, low limits weekly poker tournaments Plaza not the nicest poker room but it has Action and what a way to grind it out in this city, and more tournaments being held here in the heart of downtown BABY !!!!!! (I won my first live tournament here)Sahara Casino15 tables mostly low limit with 3-4 daily tournaments soft and easy playing here especially the 4-8 table.Santa Fehold’em no limit and Omaha, with the no limit 100 max buy ins Stardust Casino small poker room with 15-20 tables, mostly low limit hold’em with a few 7 card tables.ORLEANSNice big 35 table poker room that is a one of the best kept secrets in LV~ here is a list (from there website) of table action Spreading the Following Games:$1 - $5 Seven Card Stud$2 - $4 Texas Hold'em$4-$8-$8 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 Kill$6 - $12 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 Kill$10 - $20 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 KillNo Limit Texas Hold'em$4-$8-$8 Omaha Hi with a 1/2 Kill$4-$8-$8 Omaha Hi-Lo with a 1/2 Kill$10 - $20 Omaha Hi-Lo with a 1/2 KilTwo Tournaments Daily at 12 Noon and at 7PMplease add to listMandalay Bay and Aladdin have poker rooms with soft action. I would actually try to avoid the Orleans. Every time I have been there the players have been above average. It's easy to find tables with worse players running around. Link to post Share on other sites
Marchione 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Author Share Posted June 18, 2005 the orleans has alot of locals that play, i will have to agree with you on that front ~ but alot of them are junkies at gaming ~ still good way to cut your teeth on live play Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 I play at the plaza whenever I go to vegas. I heard they upped the buy in for their tournaments though. Link to post Share on other sites
timnvegas 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Here are 9 poker rooms you might not know about in VegasCircus Circus10 table poker room with soft play on low limit tables.If your looking for big money action this is “NOT” the place for you.However an ok player can make 200-300 (easy) a night in this room.Bally's / Parisok tournaments and most action is on the holdem tables and 7 card stud tables.Not a bad place to play when there are conventions in town Excalibur mostly Hold’em is played here but they do have a few 7 card tables that get the over flow from the waiting list of Holdem tables , learn how to play 7 card and you will do VERY well here Imperial palacenew poker room, low limits weekly poker tournaments Plaza not the nicest poker room but it has Action and what a way to grind it out in this city, and more tournaments being held here in the heart of downtown BABY !!!!!! (I won my first live tournament here)Sahara Casino15 tables mostly low limit with 3-4 daily tournaments soft and easy playing here especially the 4-8 table.Santa Fehold’em no limit and Omaha, with the no limit 100 max buy ins Stardust Casino small poker room with 15-20 tables, mostly low limit hold’em with a few 7 card tables.ORLEANSNice big 35 table poker room that is a one of the best kept secrets in LV~ here is a list (from there website) of table action Spreading the Following Games:$1 - $5 Seven Card Stud$2 - $4 Texas Hold'em$4-$8-$8 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 Kill$6 - $12 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 Kill$10 - $20 Texas Hold'em with a 1/2 KillNo Limit Texas Hold'em$4-$8-$8 Omaha Hi with a 1/2 Kill$4-$8-$8 Omaha Hi-Lo with a 1/2 Kill$10 - $20 Omaha Hi-Lo with a 1/2 KilTwo Tournaments Daily at 12 Noon and at 7PMplease add to listI cannot stand to play at Circus Circus; the smoke is suffocating.Only time I played at Bally's, the only games offered were $2-4 Hold 'Em and NL Hold 'Em. Very soft.The Excalibur has 20 tables, with spread limit ($1-3 and $2-6) and NL Hold 'Em.Imperial Palace offers $2-4, $3-6, $4-8 and NL, I believe. I KNOW that they have the largest poker tables known to man. Could seat 13 players comfortably. Soft games. I have yet to take advantage of it, but I hear their comp system is the best in town ($3/hour?).The Plaza is trying hard. I actually like playing there, but rarely make it downtown.The Sahara 7 p.m. tourney is a gold mine. Large fields made up of many bad players.I've been told, but don't know first-hand, to avoid the Stardust.The Orleans does not always have those games listed, but will spread them if there is sufficient interest.Some others I know of:The Gold Coast has $2-4 and $4-8, both with a half-kill. It's the only $2-4 with a half kill that I know of in town. The games were crazy there all three times I visited. Some huge wins are possible if you like action.If I'm playing $4-8, I prefer Mandalay Bay for two reasons. One, it is the smallest limit they offer, meaning the captives staying at the hotel have no choice but to play $4-8 unless they go elsewhere. Also, they play with half-blinds ($1 and $2), which makes it easier to play tight. Their no limit games can sometimes be really wild. The $4-8 is played with a half-kill.MGM Grand's new room is very nice, but it is LOUD. Many different limits offered, with many NL games usually going.Flamingo has $2-4 and NL almost always and sometimes $4-8. The games are notoriously soft.Sunset Station is off the strip and has the only $3-6-9 game I know of. $3 bets pre-flop and on the flop. $6 on the turn and $9 on the river. The games can be over-the-top wild due to the structure. They also offer $4-8 and NL.You'd think Binion's would host tough games, but that hasn't been true the few times I've played there. I try not to visit, because everyone there seems to hate life.I played at Wynn once. The $4-8 game was delightfully soft. Tables are awfully close together and the casino is murder to get to, but otherwise a very nice room.Luxor has a weird structure for its NL game. Three blinds, $1, $1, and $2. Max buy-in is $50, but you can re-buy if you drop below $50, which almost everyone does religiously. Their tournament structures are horrible, but the cash games are predictably soft.Tim Link to post Share on other sites
angryman 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 I can confirm the $3/hr comps at Imperial Palace - the bad news is your $3/hr in comps is for the Imperial Palace - worst buffet in LV. Also, 4 of a kind or a SF gets you a gift certificate to the steak house. I always have fun in their poker room . Great dealers. Very relaxed. Free hotdogs and prizes during Monday night football. I think they know their facilities kind of suck, so they try that much harder, and it makes for a good time. Even a not-great player (i.e. me) can stay sober and make decent money, or get seriously boozed and still break even. Perfect place to start if you've never played in a casino before.Can also confirm that playing at Orleans is a tough way to earn a buck. But it is a very spacious room with lots going on. And the uniforms on the waitresses, wowsa! My very first Vegas tournament was at the Orleans and I got busted by Oklahoma Johnny Hale who was wearing his full cowboy regalia. Awesome. Worth the buy in right there. Link to post Share on other sites
Marchione 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Author Share Posted June 18, 2005 i lived in LV for 15 months and i will tell you that the (IP) game is no longer soft !!! the local grinders and killing that place because of the comp card (3$) Link to post Share on other sites
ddudley 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Thanks, good info. I'm going to Vegas tomorrow with a friend who is very inexperienced. I'm sure he will need some soft table to start out. Link to post Share on other sites
drb75088 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 I recommend the Santa Fe. Small room (10 tables) friendly staff etc.I also recommend a new casino, the Canenry. Graig Rd. and I-15. This is not even a room, they simply removed some slots, and put in some tables. But they are trying. All of the players are local, and a lot of them are dealers at the major casinos. I've also played at Texas Station, and Harrah's. Enjoyed both. If you are visiting here, give the locals a try. It's a short drive, and I think it's worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 There is a reason these rooms are low profile. Its because they all suck. I've played at most of the places listed and either the service, the game selection, the dealers or the experience in general is what keeps me at the big three. The Orleans has a big room, but the tables look like they were from the Salvation Army, amd similar to other casinos off strip they use half dollars in the low limit games. I guess they are to cheap to make 50 cent chips. I feel like I'm at a home game. Circus Circus was the worst experience playing poker ever. The games are the softest you will see. 8-9 people see the flop avg, but if u raise pre-flop you get the stink eye from various players around the table. My friend playing at another table confirmed this phenomena when he raised preflop and had to muck to a horrible board and bet on the flop. The player next to him said and I quote " You see what happens when u raise!" Now this might sound great to most of u but I don't want to feel guilty for raising preflop in a poker game. One decent place is the Rio, butlike most other places they dont spread limit games except for 4/8. All the tourists want to play in the "all-in game" as I've heard it called. This poker room is too nice and too spacious to only have 2/5 blind NL 4/8 limit. THe Golden Nugget is decent too, but all in all the dealers in Vegas make more mistakes than I've seen anywhere, especially in NL games. Stick to the main rooms and don't waste time at these crapholes unless you're intent on avoiding crowds. Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/a...d=12110&m_id=17 Link to post Share on other sites
Allie 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 I gotta make a comment about the Orleans here. It's being referred to here in a couple of different posts as both an off the track poker room, and a shiithole. I wouldn't call it off the track or "unknown" at all....its very well known to regular poker players....just not well known to tourists. However, for that reason the action can be rather rock-like. And as for the Salvation Army reference, I'm not sure if you're referring to the old room....they have a new room now that's pretty decent. Also, the Orleans Open is in July....been holding this tournament for years...good one to check out. Link to post Share on other sites
btlee 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 As we're moving to LV in a couple months This is great info!what about 10-20 and 20-40?Wheres my softest targets there? Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Mirage on weekends, but not during the week. Link to post Share on other sites
TOTTENHAMKID 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 The Orleans: The asian waitress must make a mint over there, don't even mind if i'm losing as long as she comes buy with a Corona every 5 minutes!! Definitely wish she was at "Cheetah's II"......As far as the action on the felt is concerned, The Orleans for some reason lowered the amount of initial chips in the Friday tourney. Before the reduction I was 3 for 3 in making the final table - didn't matter as the cash games more than made up for the tourney loss. The 4-8 table @ Wynn was surprisingly easy, won almost 3 hundy in 90 minutes. Binion's does seem very morbid, I agree with a previous poster. Can't wait for the GVR to open their room shortly as it is gurney distance from my brothers pad!!! Link to post Share on other sites
another_rack 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 To start with I'm a total tourist. Last time I played at the 4/8 OH/L in the Orleans for six hours and made 15 bucks. It would have been $100 except for A misdealt river do-over that went from a scoop to me getting quartered. Worst dealers I ever saw! Also Omaha is a kill game there after a scooped pot reaches $60. About one time in ten the dealer would either kill a $59 pot or forget too on a $100+ pot. The locals are angry and hate life, like most comp card poker rooms in Vegas. I was the only tourist at the table and only one of the regulars was smart enough not to be a dick to me! I guess they enjoy passing their money back and forth and eating free buffet.As for the half dollars, they make great tips when the waitress comes buy. I made it a habit to give the waitress all my coin. One time this was 2 bucks and everyone acted like I just slipped her $100.That being said most can play pretty well. Definitely not for people trying to get their feet wet.Did I say Orleans had the worst dealers? If so Harrahs is a close second.Exhibit A2-4 limitPlayer 1 K5Player 2 K8Player 3 KTBoard K J J 4 TThe dealer gives the pot to Player 3. Nobody says anything! I have befriended player 2 so I try and stop the dealer as she mucks the cards. Best part is the dealer remembered the hand exactly and insisted that Player 3 had a better kicker. When I told her that three pair was not a hand she looked at me and said it was too late now! Best part is while I was explaining the finer points of the game to her she moved the button twice making me the Big Blind.Harrahs is a great place to play for newbies because the competition is soft. The staff, however, totally blows so there is no protection for said newbies.Golden Nugget has good dealers as does the Plaza. Plaza is a good place to play your first tourney, good structure and usually small means a cash is possible. Cheap too.The Circus Circus room looks like something out of a David Lynch movie. Scary Shit Link to post Share on other sites
theresa113 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Please excuse the ignorance but what is half kill? Link to post Share on other sites
Allie 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Please excuse the ignorance but what is half kill?Theresa, a full kill is when....when a player wins 2 pots in a row...the next hand the limits are doubled....ie. if you're playing 4/8 the limits would become 8/16 and the winner of the 2 previous pots posts an 8 dollar "kill"....in half kill, it would be the limits increased by 50%.....so in 4/8, would become 6/12. This happens for one hand, everytime someone wins 2 in a row. Hope that helps. Link to post Share on other sites
CodyHartman 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 As we're moving to LV in a couple months This is great info!what about 10-20 and 20-40?Wheres my softest targets there?Well some may not believe me on this one, but the Bellagio is pretty soft. The only problem is the wait to get on a table. I have not played there myself, but more then a few of my friends claim the 4/8 is weak and someone told me today (smash) that the 8/16 is even softer.You just need to make sure u are showing down quality hands, be patient, and understand that bad beats happen in the short run...but the long run is what really matters. I'd say have around 200 to 300 w/ u to sit in the 4/8 game.From my personal experience in Vegas, my step dad and I played the 2/4 game at the Luxor. He had never played before live or for $$ for that matter. I gave him some pointers in a 10 minute lesson on the way there, and he won like 120 or so in less then 4 hours. He wasn't always getting huge hands he usually outkick someone. Lotsa newbs there, so they'll slow up the game abit b/c they are sure what they're supposed to sometimes, but I didn't mind explaining some things to them. Not to brag but both of us on one table in that 4 hours time took just under 300 off the table. FUN FUN FUNTo the original post...what limits do u know of at some of the casinos, that may help some ppl here. Link to post Share on other sites
another_rack 0 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Please excuse the ignorance but what is half kill?Theresa, a full kill is when....when a player wins 2 pots in a row...the next hand the limits are doubled....ie. if you're playing 4/8 the limits would become 8/16 and the winner of the 2 previous pots posts an 8 dollar "kill"....in half kill, it would be the limits increased by 50%.....so in 4/8, would become 6/12. This happens for one hand, everytime someone wins 2 in a row. Hope that helps.Kills differ depending on where you play. At The Orleans in 4/8 OH/L if a player scoops a pot the next hand is a kill pot. The dealer places a redButton that says kill in front of the scooper that says Kill. The player puts $6 on the button and the next hand is a 6/12 game. The Killer acts last before the flop regardless of position and in turn after the flop. This is the exact way they do it at Lucky Chances SF Except the Killer acts in turn pre-flop Link to post Share on other sites
Weasle 0 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Was reading through this and I would have loved to have checked out some of these games while I was in Vegas 2 weeks ago, but could only pull myself away from the table at the Excalibur for food, WSOP, and the Palms nightly $200+$30 tourneys they were running as part of some Summer Series. The Excalibur was the softest game I've ever played in live. The min. buy-in is $100 and max is $200. I bought in for $150 the first day and in 5 hours left with $485. Next day I bought for $100 and left with $385. I guess people look at the "castle" and figure it's a safe game for people just out on vacation. They also have a pretty decent bad beat/best hand bonus. There's a wheel you get to spin if you hit a straight flush or 4-of a kind where you can win anywhere from $10-$300. You also get to spin the wheel if someone cracks your pocket aces. My friend had his cracked by some monkey calling $40 pre-flop with Q J offsuit and hit 2 pair on the river after my friend moved all in when the flop came out Q-7-2. He lost $85 in the pot, but spun the wheel and made $100.My only complaint was that it would seem like the waitresses would go on MIA for 2 hours at-a-time. I've played at the Luxor, Excalibur, Palms, Rio, and Gold Coast. By far the softest game was at Excalibur, with the Luxor coming in a close second. Played one night at Gold Coast at 2-4 1/2 kill and caught the coldest streak of cards I have ever seen. My best hand in 3 hours pre-flop was A-Q offsuit. I can't comment on what the Palms and Rio are usually like since I was out there during first week of the WSOP and there were a ton of big names playing there regularly that I'm sure are not there when WSOP isn't going on. Needless to say, games at both casinos were some of the toughest I've ever played...but I learned a ton while playing. I just wish they had real casinos in Florida...it'd be like jumping into a fish bowl. Link to post Share on other sites
Marchione 0 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Share Posted June 19, 2005 I used to spend 40-60 Hours a week working the CC room and let me tell ya it makes you a better player !!!And who ever the bellagio room is soft !!! please Next to playing in a cali card room ~ its murder !!The mirage room has its "time" but those are only at key times of the year ~ march maddness ~ being one and spring break being the other !!!better pay days at other spotsthe orleans is a great place to fine tune your torny play before you move onto the WSOP or WPT ~ lol Link to post Share on other sites
arerad 0 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I must throw in my 2 cents.........i have found that the locals are very strong at the Orleans....it's a tough grind to make a few bucks....it gets a lot of good local players earning comps and chasing the big bad beat jackpot that they have there.....i was there once when it reached 98k !The tourneys there are absolutely a good way to work on your mtt skills........The Monte Carlo is very small but an easy target and also has bonus payoffs for big hands such as 4 of a kind or str8 flushes.....usually between $50-$400........also if you get tired of the Monte Carlo they have a shuttle tram that runs you right to the Bellagio...and I feel the Bellagio is a tough house overall, but I have been there when they have a lot of tourist action and thats when its cha ching time....otherwise stay away...watch before you get on a table......Mandalay Bay also has big hand jackpots which i have seen higher than the Monte Carlo and the 4/8 has been soft when i visited the Mandalay Bay.Finally I must say that my visit to the Wynn was a lot of fun......i won $$ easily there and also got to watch Daniel when he beat Mimi..... Link to post Share on other sites
timnvegas 0 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 As we're moving to LV in a couple months This is great info!what about 10-20 and 20-40?Wheres my softest targets there?Well some may not believe me on this one, but the Bellagio is pretty soft. The only problem is the wait to get on a table. I have not played there myself, but more then a few of my friends claim the 4/8 is weak and someone told me today (smash) that the 8/16 is even softer.You just need to make sure u are showing down quality hands, be patient, and understand that bad beats happen in the short run...but the long run is what really matters. I'd say have around 200 to 300 w/ u to sit in the 4/8 game.From my personal experience in Vegas, my step dad and I played the 2/4 game at the Luxor. He had never played before live or for $$ for that matter. I gave him some pointers in a 10 minute lesson on the way there, and he won like 120 or so in less then 4 hours. He wasn't always getting huge hands he usually outkick someone. Lotsa newbs there, so they'll slow up the game abit b/c they are sure what they're supposed to sometimes, but I didn't mind explaining some things to them. Not to brag but both of us on one table in that 4 hours time took just under 300 off the table. FUN FUN FUNTo the original post...what limits do u know of at some of the casinos, that may help some ppl here.The only places I know of in town that regularly spread 10-20 are the Orleans and Mirage. There could be other places I'm unaware of. I've only played in the Orleans 10-20 game twice and it was soft both times. There were two good players at the table each time and they may as well have had a sign on their foreheads that read, "I am the good player at this table." Usually there are five or six players who play straightforward, so you always know where you are with them, and two or three bozos. I have heard from others that the game is tough, so perhaps I was fortunate when I played. Don't have much experience at the Mirage, but once got involved in a bang-up 6-12 game there. I won a small fortune; it was late-night and they were gambling!Generally speaking, wherever you go in Vegas, the games get better the closer you get to midnight on Saturday night. Monday afternoon is not usually the greatest time to play. YMMVLots of places would spread almost any limit game if the interest was there, but Mirage (10-20, 20-40 and up), Bellagio (8-16, 15-30 and up) and Wynn are the only places I know of that regularly have higher limit games (Orleans has mid-limit games, 6-12 and 10-20). MGM Grand advertises mid- and high-limit games, but I don't know if they ever get going. Too many people playing no-limit hold em there. I don't get downtown much, so I have little info on Binion's or Golden Nugget. I have it on good authority that if you can secure a seat in a Bellagio 15-30 or 30-60 game on a Saturday night, it's often a gold mine. For whatever reason, that seems to be the level where somewhat wealthy and overly stupid people congregate. The Bellagio can indeed feature soft games, but choose your games carefully. That can be a tough thing to do with their lengthy waiting lists.FWIW, I am a poker dealer at a casino on the strip, and I'm sad to report there are bad dealers wherever you go these days, not just at Orleans and Harrah's.With regard to the posted article about Stations casinos, the Omaha high game at Sunset is 4-8 with a half-kill, not 3-6-9. I had never played the game before when I sat down for the first time there and booked a $108 win. That should tell you something about the quality of the players. The Omaha H/L game at Boulder Station has become legendary locally. Evel Knievel couldn't jump his bike over those pots. Prepare to encounter miserable and bitter people at any of the Stations properties. Ditto for Sam's Town.TimP.S. The outfits the waitresses wear at the Rio are even better than the Orleans, and there are some beauties! The Bellagio and Wynn also make it tough to concentrate on poker. God, I love this town. Link to post Share on other sites
arerad 0 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 timnvegas said P.S. The outfits the waitresses wear at the Rio are even better than the Orleans, and there are some beauties! The Bellagio and Wynn also make it tough to concentrate on poker. God, I love this town.I must admit that the waitresses at the Wynn are without a doubt the best in town.........Steve Wynn knew what he was doing!! Link to post Share on other sites
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