Unbelievable...

[ruM 0]

I recently looked at a video on CardPlayer entitled "Internet Pros". Now, these guys are supposed to be "Pros", hence the name of the clip, but for some reason, these guys can't even play in any other event in the WSOP besides Hold Em', because they don't know how to play Stud or Omaha..As I listened and almost cried due to laughter, I realized how pathetic these guys really are. One of the guys, who is said to be THE NUMBER ONE RATED PLAYER ONLINE, said, "I'd like to play in the Stud tournament, but you'd have to explain the rules.."Now, how in the world are you a top rated poker player, but you don't even know how to play Stud. Which then leads into, not knowing OBVIOUSLY how to play Stud H/L, which means, you also don't know how to play Razz. So somehow this guy has been labeled a "Pro" when his only game is Hold Em'..........right.....makes senseI really don't understand how you can consider yourself a "Pro" when you're not efficient in all aspects of poker. I read an article on here the other day about someone who is choosing to go "Pro". He plays 1/2 NL and is somehow going to become a "Pro" in 3 years. It's not feasible, you cannot possibly learn the intricacies of every poker game, in 3 years. If you're still playing 1/2 NL after you've decided to go "Pro", then you need to re-evaluate yourself.I'm sick of these people who cannot play any other game than, "NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD EM'" and consider themselves dedicated poker players. If you aren't proficient in all aspects of poker, then you need to step up your game. Hold Em' is overplayed everywhere, and even the real pros don't consider themselves favorites anymore against these massive fields of amatuers..I'm guess I'm just sick of hearing about these so called "Pros" who only talk about Hold Em', but you never hear these guys discussing PL Omaha hands or Razz hands...Bottom line is this, you can play basketball everyday of your life, doesn't mean you make it to the NBA where the "Pros" are. A chosen few become and are honored with that title, these newjacks to poker shouldn't be given that priviliage. You don't go "Pro", you go full time, YOU BECOME A PRO. My apologies for the length of the post, you probably won't read this all, but if you do, thank you..

[iveyfan30 0]

I recently looked at a video on CardPlayer entitled "Internet Pros".  Now, these guys are supposed to be "Pros", hence the name of the clip, but for some reason, these guys can't even play in any other event in the WSOP besides Hold Em', because they don't know how to play Stud or Omaha..As I listened and almost cried due to laughter, I realized how pathetic these guys really are.  One of the guys, who is said to be THE NUMBER ONE RATED PLAYER ONLINE, said, "I'd like to play in the Stud tournament, but you'd have to explain the rules.."Now, how in the world are you a top rated poker player, but you don't even know how to play Stud.  Which then leads into, not knowing OBVIOUSLY how to play Stud H/L, which means, you also don't know how to play Razz.  So somehow this guy has been labeled a "Pro" when his only game is Hold Em'..........right.....makes senseI really don't understand how you can consider yourself a "Pro" when you're not efficient in all aspects of poker.  I read an article on here the other day about someone who is choosing to go "Pro".  He plays 1/2 NL and is somehow going to become a "Pro" in 3 years.  It's not feasible, you cannot possibly learn the intricacies of every poker game, in 3 years.  If you're still playing 1/2 NL after you've decided to go "Pro", then you need to re-evaluate yourself.I'm sick of these people who cannot play any other game than, "NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD EM'" and consider themselves dedicated poker players.  If you aren't proficient in all aspects of poker, then you need to step up your game.  Hold Em' is overplayed everywhere, and even the real pros don't consider themselves favorites anymore against these massive fields of amatuers..I'm guess I'm just sick of hearing about these so called "Pros" who only talk about Hold Em', but you never hear these guys discussing PL Omaha hands or Razz hands...Bottom line is this, you can play basketball everyday of your life, doesn't mean you make it to the NBA where the "Pros" are.  A chosen few become and are honored with that title, these newjacks to poker shouldn't be given that priviliage. You don't go "Pro", you go full time,  YOU BECOME A PRO.  My apologies for the length of the post, you probably won't read this all, but if you do, thank you..

i see you feel pretty strongly about this..some ppl use their first post to introduce themselves to the forum, you decided to use yours to rant .....nice choice,,you will do well here.....

[Socrates 0]

I guess they should clarify that they are Pro Hold 'Em Players. If they are making a living at playing HE and nothing else, all the power to them...technically that is their profession.For arguments sake, you could say basketball is part of "sports" as HE is part of "poker" and becasue someone who plays basketball for a living doesn't play football doesn't mean they are not a pro.Sorry, the logic of the definition of professional leaves a lot of room for argument here even though I understand what you are trying to say.

[scweeber 0]

so was i hallucinating when i read that johnnie bax "AKA number 1 online player in the world" won the 7 card stud event YESTERDAY... :roll:

[PukaPlaya 0]

The guy you quoted as saying he wanted to play the stud event but needed to learn the rules first, entered, and WON THE EVENT. Hmmm. He sucks.

[PotDragon 0]

While I agree with most of your original premise, I do think there are things you have left out.For instance...there certainly are clay court specialists in tennis, turf specialists in horse racing, road track or oval specialists in auto racing...and so on, so why not Hold em specialists in poker ?Secondly...you stated

One of the guys, who is said to be THE NUMBER ONE RATED PLAYER ONLINE

Being the number one player ONLINE requires a different set of skills than live play. Such as the ability to get your wife quiet, not leak on too many multi tables and whatnot. Additionally...with the amount of action available online 24/7, you could 3 table at no limit for the rest of your life and never play stud. Or go to a B&M casino for that matter.But...welcome to FCP. No Jopke.

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[EVILGENIUS 0]

If you are great at one thing why go off and spend the time and money learning something that you will not show profit at for a long time? If you are doing this for money then play what you are good at.

[Meatwad 0]

Number one online tourney player according to pocket fives. Even he said he probably wasn't the best online. Now if you want unbelievable just look for A7 after Danny Nguyen on the WPT caused a giant stir online:Date / Time: 2005-06-11 16:27:00 Title: David Plastik Eliminated in 25th Place ($12,910) Log: David Plastik went all in preflop, and was called by Kevin Fox. Plastik had big slick, A-K, and Fox had A-7. It's total domination for Plastik as the flop was K-Q-6, pairing Plastik's K. The only way that Fox can win now is with runner-runner 7's, an unbelievable long shot. The turn brings a 7, but Plastik was sill 98% to win going to the river. The river is a jackpot for Fox - 7! An unbelievable bad beat victimizes Plastik, and he is eliminated in 25th place.

[ruM 0]

A Pro Hold Em' Player? What in the world is that?What happens when this "Pro" decides to sit with other pros and they play a mixed game...Fold every hand until the dealer chooses Hold Em'?? Or maybe they can have the floorman uncheck the "sit out next hand" button for them, when Hold Em' is dealt...Come on..You cannot be a pro unless you are proficient in all games...Poker isn't just Hold Em', it's a mixture of games and to be considered a pro, (other than in your mind) you need to work on your complete game, not just a minor portion of it...If these so called "pros" called themselves full time players, there cannot be any argument whatsoever. But no way should someone who is nothing but a 2 year "veteran" Hold Em' player be categorized or be given the same title as a top player in the poker world. A pro is a pro right, wrong...

[DKE_XP120 0]

Some people who are professionals in the computer industry dont use macs.... Most professional atheletes only play 1 sportAlot of college professors only teach in one departmentSome people should think things through before they talk

[Don Giovanni 0]

I recently looked at a video on CardPlayer entitled "Internet Pros".  Now, these guys are supposed to be "Pros", hence the name of the clip, but for some reason, these guys can't even play in any other event in the WSOP besides Hold Em', because they don't know how to play Stud or Omaha..As I listened and almost cried due to laughter, I realized how pathetic these guys really are.  One of the guys, who is said to be THE NUMBER ONE RATED PLAYER ONLINE, said, "I'd like to play in the Stud tournament, but you'd have to explain the rules.."Now, how in the world are you a top rated poker player, but you don't even know how to play Stud.  Which then leads into, not knowing OBVIOUSLY how to play Stud H/L, which means, you also don't know how to play Razz.  So somehow this guy has been labeled a "Pro" when his only game is Hold Em'..........right.....makes senseI really don't understand how you can consider yourself a "Pro" when you're not efficient in all aspects of poker.  I read an article on here the other day about someone who is choosing to go "Pro".  He plays 1/2 NL and is somehow going to become a "Pro" in 3 years.  It's not feasible, you cannot possibly learn the intricacies of every poker game, in 3 years.  If you're still playing 1/2 NL after you've decided to go "Pro", then you need to re-evaluate yourself.I'm sick of these people who cannot play any other game than, "NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD EM'" and consider themselves dedicated poker players.  If you aren't proficient in all aspects of poker, then you need to step up your game.  Hold Em' is overplayed everywhere, and even the real pros don't consider themselves favorites anymore against these massive fields of amatuers..I'm guess I'm just sick of hearing about these so called "Pros" who only talk about Hold Em', but you never hear these guys discussing PL Omaha hands or Razz hands...Bottom line is this, you can play basketball everyday of your life, doesn't mean you make it to the NBA where the "Pros" are.  A chosen few become and are honored with that title, these newjacks to poker shouldn't be given that priviliage. You don't go "Pro", you go full time,  YOU BECOME A PRO.  My apologies for the length of the post, you probably won't read this all, but if you do, thank you..

i see you feel pretty strongly about this..some ppl use their first post to introduce themselves to the forum, you decided to use yours to rant .....nice choice,,you will do well here.....

i see that you always comment on peoples first postages. i personally do not want to see people introducing themselves like this is some sort of rehab clinic. why not just dive right in? but i do agree that his post was of the rant variety.

[iveyfan30 0]

I recently looked at a video on CardPlayer entitled "Internet Pros".  Now, these guys are supposed to be "Pros", hence the name of the clip, but for some reason, these guys can't even play in any other event in the WSOP besides Hold Em', because they don't know how to play Stud or Omaha..As I listened and almost cried due to laughter, I realized how pathetic these guys really are.  One of the guys, who is said to be THE NUMBER ONE RATED PLAYER ONLINE, said, "I'd like to play in the Stud tournament, but you'd have to explain the rules.."Now, how in the world are you a top rated poker player, but you don't even know how to play Stud.  Which then leads into, not knowing OBVIOUSLY how to play Stud H/L, which means, you also don't know how to play Razz.  So somehow this guy has been labeled a "Pro" when his only game is Hold Em'..........right.....makes senseI really don't understand how you can consider yourself a "Pro" when you're not efficient in all aspects of poker.  I read an article on here the other day about someone who is choosing to go "Pro".  He plays 1/2 NL and is somehow going to become a "Pro" in 3 years.  It's not feasible, you cannot possibly learn the intricacies of every poker game, in 3 years.  If you're still playing 1/2 NL after you've decided to go "Pro", then you need to re-evaluate yourself.I'm sick of these people who cannot play any other game than, "NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD EM'" and consider themselves dedicated poker players.  If you aren't proficient in all aspects of poker, then you need to step up your game.  Hold Em' is overplayed everywhere, and even the real pros don't consider themselves favorites anymore against these massive fields of amatuers..I'm guess I'm just sick of hearing about these so called "Pros" who only talk about Hold Em', but you never hear these guys discussing PL Omaha hands or Razz hands...Bottom line is this, you can play basketball everyday of your life, doesn't mean you make it to the NBA where the "Pros" are.  A chosen few become and are honored with that title, these newjacks to poker shouldn't be given that priviliage. You don't go "Pro", you go full time,  YOU BECOME A PRO.  My apologies for the length of the post, you probably won't read this all, but if you do, thank you..

i see you feel pretty strongly about this..some ppl use their first post to introduce themselves to the forum, you decided to use yours to rant .....nice choice,,you will do well here.....

i see that you always comment on peoples first postages. i personally do not want to see people introducing themselves like this is some sort of rehab clinic. why not just dive right in? but i do agree that his post was of the rant variety.

just find it a litle wierd that rather than say " whats up im so and so and play at so and so " he decided to freak out for half a page about something that deosnt really matter, but hey thats just me.....what the hell do i know??

[zimmer4141 0]

I think those people who do only play holdem should have the designation of pro holdem player. Poker encompasses all games, and to be a TRUE pro poker player, then you need to be proficient at all games.

[ruM 0]

Some people who are professionals in the computer industry dont use macs....  Most professional atheletes only play 1 sportAlot of college professors only teach in one departmentSome people should think things through before they talk

And how many dimensions do you need to a be professional athlete?Oh yeah, that's right, pitchers only have one pitch...Oh yeah, that's right, shooting guards can't hit free throws, only shoot from 12 and in...Oh yeah, that's right, quarterbacks can only throw 15 yards...How many subjects did a college professor take before earning that title?Oh yeah, that's right, they only took math in 1st grade..Oh yeah, that's right, they only took math in high school...Oh yeah, that's right, they only took math in college....They needed to learn a much more well rounded array of subjects, which might not have ultimately sculpted them into a math professor, but along the way, enhanced the overall knowledge about their profession..Same goes for Poker...In Omaha, the biggest lesson I've learned is redraws, which isn't the greatest key to Hold Em', but significant to some extent..In Stud, I've learned to value bet more on later streets, which again, helps out in Hold Em', making key value bets on the river to squeeze out that little extra from opponents...It all goes hand in hand somehow, and without the knowledge of other games, I just don't see you becoming or even considering yourself a pro...

[Don Giovanni 0]

well im a pro and ive never played stud hi low. how do you explain that?

[DKE_XP120 0]

It all goes hand in hand somehow, and without the knowledge of other games, I just don't see you becoming or even considering yourself a pro...

I guess it depends on your definition of a pro then.... IMHO if they are earning enough to live, why arent they a pro?Because they dont fit your definition? i'm sure they are worried about it

[PoppinFresh 0]

As I listened and almost cried due to laughter, I realized how pathetic these guys really are.  

This part really stood out as hilarious to me They're pathetic because they don't play all forms of poker? I guess people who don't play poker at all are even more pathetic?If they make a living off of poker, they can call themselves professionals and choose to play only HE if it so suits them. I really don't see what the big deal is.

[allinbluff35 0]

Doritos > Lays

[elaear 0]

lays > doritos

[mcpickl 0]

Would David Ortiz be considered a professional athlete?he hits like a mutha, but doesnt run well, doesnt throw well, and doesnt field well, and only plays in the field when forced to in NL ballparks.Yet he gets paid 7 million a year as a professional baseball player.What a jopke this post was.welcome OP

[Pokerghost2 0]

if a pro means u earn ur living doing it then they are pros. the biggest skill overlay anyone can have is in nlhe. it also happens to be where the money is. u sir are a lunatic and ur post did highly amuse me!

[mark33f 0]

What happens when this "Pro" decides to sit with other pros and they play a mixed gameYes, I see the problem here, because someone is going to make them sit at this table.

[grittybones 0]

What happens when this "Pro" decides to sit with other pros and they play a mixed gameYes, I see the problem here, because someone is going to make them sit at this table.

Jesus, thank you. I was wondering when someone was going to explain to this guy that he's not the arbiter of what makes a poker professional. What a jopke.

[Royal27 0]

I recently looked at a video on CardPlayer entitled "Internet Pros".  Now, these guys are supposed to be "Pros", hence the name of the clip, but for some reason, these guys can't even play in any other event in the WSOP besides Hold Em', because they don't know how to play Stud or Omaha..As I listened and almost cried due to laughter, I realized how pathetic these guys really are.  One of the guys, who is said to be THE NUMBER ONE RATED PLAYER ONLINE, said, "I'd like to play in the Stud tournament, but you'd have to explain the rules.."Now, how in the world are you a top rated poker player, but you don't even know how to play Stud.  Which then leads into, not knowing OBVIOUSLY how to play Stud H/L, which means, you also don't know how to play Razz.  So somehow this guy has been labeled a "Pro" when his only game is Hold Em'..........right.....makes senseI really don't understand how you can consider yourself a "Pro" when you're not efficient in all aspects of poker.  I read an article on here the other day about someone who is choosing to go "Pro".  He plays 1/2 NL and is somehow going to become a "Pro" in 3 years.  It's not feasible, you cannot possibly learn the intricacies of every poker game, in 3 years.  If you're still playing 1/2 NL after you've decided to go "Pro", then you need to re-evaluate yourself.I'm sick of these people who cannot play any other game than, "NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD EM'" and consider themselves dedicated poker players.  If you aren't proficient in all aspects of poker, then you need to step up your game.  Hold Em' is overplayed everywhere, and even the real pros don't consider themselves favorites anymore against these massive fields of amatuers..I'm guess I'm just sick of hearing about these so called "Pros" who only talk about Hold Em', but you never hear these guys discussing PL Omaha hands or Razz hands...Bottom line is this, you can play basketball everyday of your life, doesn't mean you make it to the NBA where the "Pros" are.  A chosen few become and are honored with that title, these newjacks to poker shouldn't be given that priviliage. You don't go "Pro", you go full time,  YOU BECOME A PRO.  My apologies for the length of the post, you probably won't read this all, but if you do, thank you..

Makes COMPLETE sense. What kind of an idiot would consider himself a "pro" just because he's good in one discipline? Jerry Rice for example, thought he was a "pro" just cause he could catch a ball... Never saw him throw a slider, or hit a 3-pointer! Idiot thought he was a "pro" just because he could make money doing one thing!