JoeD 0 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Been playing on BoDog lately. Can't take it anymore!!! The beats are unbelievably brutal. It seriously seems to me that BoDog purposely sets people up for horribly bad beats. It's almost like they want everybody to get all of their chips in the pot and make sure that someone gets such a horrific beat that they go straight to the cashier because there is no possible way that they can beat like that again. I typically play tight agressive and rarely go into a pot without a very strong hand. On BoDog, favored 80%/20% is not nearly enough of an advantage to be confident. It's incredibly frustrating to be patient, wait for a great situation, get all my chips in against a two outer and have no confidence that I am holding a winner. My days on BoDog are over, what I am wondering out loud on here is......are there any sites out there that are true to the odds and probabilities found at a card room or casino? Thanks in advance for your responses.Joe D. Link to post Share on other sites
govikes 0 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 ummmm first? Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Been playing on BoDog lately. Can't take it anymore!!! The beats are unbelievably brutal. It seriously seems to me that BoDog purposely sets people up for horribly bad beats. It's almost like they want everybody to get all of their chips in the pot and make sure that someone gets such a horrific beat that they go straight to the cashier because there is no possible way that they can beat like that again. I typically play tight agressive and rarely go into a pot without a very strong hand. On BoDog, favored 80%/20% is not nearly enough of an advantage to be confident. It's incredibly frustrating to be patient, wait for a great situation, get all my chips in against a two outer and have no confidence that I am holding a winner. My days on BoDog are over, what I am wondering out loud on here is......are there any sites out there that are true to the odds and probabilities found at a card room or casino? Thanks in advance for your responses.Joe D.The problem for ppl like you is that you dont track your stats accurately for live games and are in for a rude awakening when you play online because your stats are right there at all times and you cant avoid it. You cant hide from the harsh truth that you are a losing player online. So my advice is to get used to losing as you learn to be a solid player. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
JoeD 0 Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 Gotta' put my first post on here sometime. And no, this is not just another sour grapes bad beat meltdown. I have played thousands of hands on BoDog and have slowly but surely come to the realization that these incredibly sick bad beat miracles can not be coincidence. Hey, I'm not looking for empathy, I've made my conclusion already based on personal experience. I came on here looking to see if these miracle turns and rivers are just inherant to internet poker, or if the online poker community has some advice. Believe me, if this type of play is pervasive on all of the websites....I'll have no problem just playing live games at the card room around the corner from my office. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
JoeD 0 Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 First of all, I do keep my stats for my live action play. I keep it on my Google calendar. I'd be happy to show it to you anytime. Secondly, I am in the black online. I am much more successful in tournament play than the cash games. Yes, my live cash game stats vary quite a bit from my online stats and that is why I am curious about the website. If the stats were similar I would not have a problem. Sure, there are specific aspects of the games that could lend to the fact that my stats don't match up, but I have explored those options and keep coming back to the integrity of the online game. People like me? I'm sorry, do we know each other? I'm just another guy trying to get better. In doing so I am taking an objective look at my experiences in an effort to evaluate my performance. Yeah, I win some hands, I lose some hands, and I try to maintain a perspective that allows me to learn and improve with each session. I asked a very specific question in the post you read. Instead of answering my question, you decided to criticize me in what I guess is an offhanded way to prop yourself up. That's OK, I really don't mind, but what I would like is an answer to the question. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration.Joe D Link to post Share on other sites
govikes 0 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Gotta' put my first post on here sometime. And no, this is not just another sour grapes bad beat meltdown. I have played thousands of hands on BoDog and have slowly but surely come to the realization that these incredibly sick bad beat miracles can not be coincidence. Hey, I'm not looking for empathy, I've made my conclusion already based on personal experience. I came on here looking to see if these miracle turns and rivers are just inherant to internet poker, or if the online poker community has some advice. Believe me, if this type of play is pervasive on all of the websites....I'll have no problem just playing live games at the card room around the corner from my office. Thanks.live games are rigged too. gl Link to post Share on other sites
Tantalar 0 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I dont get it... the house makes more money if more hands are played. If the house really wanted to rig the game, they would make it so that nobody busts so that the game never ends and everyone has to go to the cashier to add on more money when their bankroll starts getting short. Why would they intentionally empty out your account? They don't make anything when you deposit. They make a lot when you play raked hands over a long period of time Link to post Share on other sites
JoeD 0 Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 Wow. My mistake. Obviously I have no idea what I am talking about. Online poker must be 100% legit and above all suspicion. How silly of me, to actually think that online poker could be anything else. Once again, my sincerest apologies for wasting your valuable time with such an inane subject. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 First of all, I do keep my stats for my live action play. I keep it on my Google calendar. I'd be happy to show it to you anytime. Secondly, I am in the black online. I am much more successful in tournament play than the cash games. Yes, my live cash game stats vary quite a bit from my online stats and that is why I am curious about the website. If the stats were similar I would not have a problem. Sure, there are specific aspects of the games that could lend to the fact that my stats don't match up, but I have explored those options and keep coming back to the integrity of the online game. People like me? I'm sorry, do we know each other? I'm just another guy trying to get better. In doing so I am taking an objective look at my experiences in an effort to evaluate my performance. Yeah, I win some hands, I lose some hands, and I try to maintain a perspective that allows me to learn and improve with each session. I asked a very specific question in the post you read. Instead of answering my question, you decided to criticize me in what I guess is an offhanded way to prop yourself up. That's OK, I really don't mind, but what I would like is an answer to the question. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration.Joe DI answered your question. Apparently english must be a second language for you. My apologies. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Wow. My mistake. Obviously I have no idea what I am talking about. Online poker must be 100% legit and above all suspicion. How silly of me, to actually think that online poker could be anything else. Once again, my sincerest apologies for wasting your valuable time with such an inane subject.No. You are right. The entire Bodog enterprise has been waiting for the chance to take you down. They spend countless hours following you and tracking your play just so they can give the worst players at your table the most improbably of drawouts. Clearly we are foolish to think the opposite is true. I must have been stricken with a swift bout of insanity to believe that you were probably just an upset, losing player, who overlooks his own, poor play when deciding why he loses. My fault. Now seriously, you seem to be a smart person. Reread your post and then you can come back and apologize to us sincerely. That is all. Link to post Share on other sites
Viticus 0 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 anyone who has ever read a forum for longer than a month has read 5 posts identical to yours. that is why you are met with hostility. it doesn't make sense for the online games to be rigged to cheat you. even if it did make sense then explain to me the hundreds of online pros? do they just have the system figured out?You will catch a few more bad beats online because people dont have to face their plays and can make dumb ones without feeling bad. That will account for a FEW at the smaller limits. Other than that you are experiencing the normal ups and downs of poker. You get more hands per hour online so maybe if feels like more bad beats. As far as stats go, simply keeping win/loss numbers on a calendar does not account for the type of stats necessary to rate the validity of the live vs. online game. Also, the average internet player is more fundamentally sound than the average live player. So the game maybe a little tougher hence why you arent winning as much. The downswings hurt more when you arent winning as much. Link to post Share on other sites
Banner17 0 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 JoeD,I'm not gonna rip you a new one. Just gonna point out that online poker seems "fixed or rigged" because you play WAY more hands per hour online than live. Typically playing one table online you can play twice or even three times as many hands as you could per hour live. I'm a limit holdem guy, so I play 6 games meaning that I play 12 times as many hands per hour online as I could live. Therefore, you will see many more "tough beats" online than live.Best advice is let it be like water off a duck's back. The casino doesn't get upset when a drunken tourist hit a number on the roulette wheel, so if you're clearly a winning poker player, you should be pleased when you get a "bad beat". At least you know you're games are still good. Post UIGEA, it's getting tougher and tougher to find easy games like it was 5 years ago. Let's hope Obama regulates and taxes online poker, so deposits become easy again. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 JoeD,I'm not gonna rip you a new one. Just gonna point out that online poker seems "fixed or rigged" because you play WAY more hands per hour online than live. Typically playing one table online you can play twice or even three times as many hands as you could per hour live. I'm a limit holdem guy, so I play 6 games meaning that I play 12 times as many hands per hour online as I could live. Therefore, you will see many more "tough beats" online than live.Best advice is let it be like water off a duck's back. The casino doesn't get upset when a drunken tourist hit a number on the roulette wheel, so if you're clearly a winning poker player, you should be pleased when you get a "bad beat". At least you know you're games are still good. Post UIGEA, it's getting tougher and tougher to find easy games like it was 5 years ago. Let's hope Obama regulates and taxes online poker, so deposits become easy again.Exactly. I always tell people this. It's math based, like anything else in life. Online you see a exponential amount of hands, so you will see those many more wins and beats......the problem is no one ever remembers the wins they pull off, they only remember the beats they are given. Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I have played thousands of hands on BoDogHow many thousands? Not that unusual for a winning player to break even over 10,000 hands or more. Link to post Share on other sites
ddudley 0 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I stopped playing a Bodog for a variety of reasons... one of which was very high percentage of "action flops". I now play at PokerStars and it seems a lot more reasonable to me. Also, the level of competition you play against makes you notice the cards more.This is a very unpopular viewpoint here on FCP and most other poker forums but, different sites use different "random" number generators to deal their cards and these RNGs produce different patterns. If you don't like Bodog I would suggest putting money into 2 or 3 different places including Stars and FullTilt and playing a few thousand hands to see if you like it or not. That's the great thing about online poker - plenty of places to play and it's easy to move your money around. Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 I stopped playing a Bodog for a variety of reasons... one of which was very high percentage of "action flops". I now play at PokerStars and it seems a lot more reasonable to me. Also, the level of competition you play against makes you notice the cards more.This is a very unpopular viewpoint here on FCP and most other poker forums but, different sites use different "random" number generators to deal their cards and these RNGs produce different patterns. If you don't like Bodog I would suggest putting money into 2 or 3 different places including Stars and FullTilt and playing a few thousand hands to see if you like it or not. That's the great thing about online poker - plenty of places to play and it's easy to move your money around.you havent played any of the turbos or hyper turbos on stars...they are a joke and guaranteed that stars juice the odds on those ones... Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 How many thousands? Not that unusual for a winning player to break even over 10,000 hands or more.It's not unusual for a winning player to have a 20 buyin downswing and 2 10 buyin downswings in a 80,000+ hand sample. Link to post Share on other sites
elloco 0 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 It's indeed not logical for sites to target certain players with bad beats. But it's not illogical that sites do things to keep as many players playing as possible. And as the majority of players are fish, you have to please the fish. One of the differences between fish and 'good players' is that fish are more likely to chase draws, and call bets with 2nd or 3rd pairs or bad kickers. To keep them happy, let them suck out a bit more often than they should so they will keep playing at your site. The ones suffering from those 'bad beats' obviously are the 'good players', who win less often than they expect based on the odds...Now I'm not claiming there's any truth in the above, but it does make sense, doesn't it? Besides, it's just plain old fun finding these conspiracy theories Link to post Share on other sites
weapon-x 0 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 at low stakes games, bad players are more willing to take a chance at hitting a 4-1 dog or worse for a big pot. since they call with it more, it hits more, so you see it more. that said, i'm more concerned about people being able to cheat the games rather than the website doing the cheating. search online at you tube and there are plenty who claim they can hack the sites. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Online games are quite a bit tougher than live games. You probably just aren't the best at folding. Link to post Share on other sites
Nik00117 0 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Fact of the matter is a poker site has no interset in cheating you. Secondly as others have pointed out you will play a lot more hands in online then in real life.For example I've seen a lot of 100 hands per hour in online poker.When I play live poker it's like 20-35 hands.I'd hope that out of 100 hands more unqiue things happen then in a 20-35 hand deck.Plus sometimes you just get nothing. My last live game I played for 3 hours, I paired twice and got trips once. That sucked! Link to post Share on other sites
davezz5 0 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Online poker must be rigged, thats why i keep winning! Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Aliens control online poker site. It's well documented. Link to post Share on other sites
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