Splashed Pot

[savagerebel 0]

I went to the casino tonight to play some cards. I had been having a pretty good session when this hand came up. I was playing 1/2 NL. I bought in for $100. About an hour into the game I had already doubled the stack. During Monday Night Football they splash the pot with $100 each quarter. It hit my table twice. The first time I was sitting with $250 with 6s 8s. Everyone limps. Nine players see the flop come As Ks 8h. Agro-old guy bets $50 gets one caller. Action to me with 1 guy to act after me and two cards to come. What is my move here? Pot is at about $120 + $100 splash.

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Splashing the pot is rude.

[Snamuh 0]

This has gotta be a shove.

[checkymcfold 0]

This has gotta be a shove.

i would also close my eyes just in case. but yes, shovel.

[savagerebel 0]

I should wait until morning to post the results but I won't. I called. Turn 9d. Agro-old guy shoves. I fold. River 2d.

[TheCinciKid 0]

I think I'm with everybody else. This seems like a pretty clear shove with all that extra money in the pot. That said, I'm not sure I'd have the balls to do it.*edit*FWIW, it seems to me that with that extra $100 in the pot, somebody should raise to try to thin the field a little. Maybe I've been watching a little bit too much HSP lately, but I don't see anything wrong with raising pre-flop with the 8s6s and in fact, I might encourage. Someone explain to me why I'm wrong.

[checkymcfold 0]

I think I'm with everybody else. This seems like a pretty clear shove with all that extra money in the pot. That said, I'm not sure I'd have the balls to do it.*edit*FWIW, it seems to me that with that extra $100 in the pot, somebody should raise to try to thin the field a little. Maybe I've been watching a little bit too much HSP lately, but I don't see anything wrong with raising pre-flop with the 8s6s and in fact, I might encourage. Someone explain to me why I'm wrong.

i would probably open raise any 2 to 20 bucks at least.

[savagerebel 0]

Everyone at the table except for me and another guy wanted to limp in and check it down. I didn't say yes or no but the other guy was having none of it. Everyone limped then it was fair game. I could have raised it to $40 and they all would have called.

[pokerinc 0]

pair and a flush draw w/ extra cash? I'm 100% in there on the flop. Couldn't flat.

[GeneralGeeWhiz 0]

anyone else think of this?

[I_fold08 1]

Splashing the pot is rude.

in my club i will splash the pot whenever the fack i want

[Chet Chetterson 0]

I have nothing wrong with your play, based on the fact that you have had success at the table already and can just win that money from the old guy later. Am I completely off base here? (I know, odds are good, idc)

[mtdesmoines 3]

FWIW, it seems to me that with that extra $100 in the pot, somebody should raise to try to thin the field a little. Maybe I've been watching a little bit too much HSP lately, but I don't see anything wrong with raising pre-flop with the 8s6s and in fact, I might encourage. Someone explain to me why I'm wrong.

I'm never letting 9 people see that flop with me. It's free money. Literally.

[NoSup4U 0]

imo shoving here is just gambling. Everyone says, well there is extra money in the pot so just shove. But the problem is you have 0 fold equity here. There is extra money in the pot. Villain is almost never bluffing, caller is never bluff calling, and neither is ever folding A2 or even a K probably because there is extra money in the pot. Plus he'll put you on a flush draw every day and twice on Sunday. Plus you have the extra equity of a caller in the hand already. Plus OP didn't tell us if villain has $50 behind or $300 behind.Assuming villain has you covered, I just call. If villain has $50 left, then sure get it in and gamble it up now 3 ways.Mark

[Balloon guy 158]

Splashed pot is like a kill potIt makes people who are playing low stakes pretend that money doesn't matter and they play big pots.When the kill button comes and there is a lot of action, I notice a lot of people making very loose plays because their's more money in the pot.When as Chet said, there's more money on the table for you to win now, play for it on your terms not lottery terms

[TB17 0]

imo shoving here is just gambling. Everyone says, well there is extra money in the pot so just shove. But the problem is you have 0 fold equity here. There is extra money in the pot. Villain is almost never bluffing, caller is never bluff calling, and neither is ever folding A2 or even a K probably because there is extra money in the pot. Plus he'll put you on a flush draw every day and twice on Sunday. Plus you have the extra equity of a caller in the hand already. Plus OP didn't tell us if villain has $50 behind or $300 behind.Assuming villain has you covered, I just call. If villain has $50 left, then sure get it in and gamble it up now 3 ways.Mark

Seriously. I think its a concept most people think they know but really don'tMost of the value from shoving your draws is not from (OMG I HAVE A DRAW AND A PAIR WHATS GOOD NOW LETS GET IT IN), it's from getting your opponent to fold better hands. If theres no way he will fold, then calling is definitely the best play.

[GWCGWC 83]

Splash pots suck. It completely disrupts the game and makes people go ape shit with J5os. Caesars LV is doing this for MNF (dun dun dun dun). $50 for every FG and $100 for every TD. Most of the 1/3 tables would have 5 and 6 way aipf when the pot was splashed for $100. The floor man would hype it up and call out the action on the table as it happened. I was at the only 2/5NL game running and they splashed the pot for $100. UTG folded.........LOLOLOLOL. Everyone else limped and we checked the flop/turn. On the river, a LP player bet $100 which looked suspect but everyone folded. LP had TP/GK and the utg dude said he folded 72os which would have been 2 pair. It tilted him for a round or so. This game was playing waaaay too deep for them to be fucking around with splashed pots. The standard pf raise was 30-40 and most were 4-10K deep with a couple of 1K short stacks. It was a really good game. Anyway, I hated it.

imo shoving here is just gambling. Everyone says, well there is extra money in the pot so just shove. But the problem is you have 0 fold equity here. There is extra money in the pot. Villain is almost never bluffing, caller is never bluff calling, and neither is ever folding A2 or even a K probably because there is extra money in the pot. Plus he'll put you on a flush draw every day and twice on Sunday. Plus you have the extra equity of a caller in the hand already. Plus OP didn't tell us if villain has $50 behind or $300 behind.Assuming villain has you covered, I just call. If villain has $50 left, then sure get it in and gamble it up now 3 ways.Mark

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[mrdannyg 274]

Splashed pot is like a kill potIt makes people who are playing low stakes pretend that money doesn't matter and they play big pots.When the kill button comes and there is a lot of action, I notice a lot of people making very loose plays because their's more money in the pot.When as Chet said, there's more money on the table for you to win now, play for it on your terms not lottery terms

Not quite the same as a Kill pot, because in a kill-pot, all our bets are still in relation to the pot size, it's just for an overall larger amount of money. Kill pots should not make you play any differently (except insofar as your opponents are doing so.) Splashed pots, due to the much-larger gain for equal size of bets, should result in different play.Then again, as Mark said, there's no fold equity here, so putting money in without having profitable equity is a loss.

[wavelengthsf 0]

How much did the aggro old guy, other caller, and person behind have in their stacks?

[timwakefield 68]

Not quite the same as a Kill pot, because in a kill-pot, all our bets are still in relation to the pot size, it's just for an overall larger amount of money. Kill pots should not make you play any differently (except insofar as your opponents are doing so.) Splashed pots, due to the much-larger gain for equal size of bets, should result in different play.Then again, as Mark said, there's no fold equity here, so putting money in without having profitable equity is a loss.

Oh my god it's mrdannyg! <3

[savagerebel 0]

How much did the aggro old guy, other caller, and person behind have in their stacks?

Agro old guy - ~200Other caller ~50player behind ~100FWIW I won the second splashed pot of the night. Again everyone limped in. I had 44 in the SB. Flop JT4. I bet out 75 get one caller. Turn a 2. I shove for ~200 and take it down. I played for about 6 hours and left +400.

[Zach6668 513]

Everyone at the table except for me and another guy wanted to limp in and check it down. I didn't say yes or no but the other guy was having none of it. Everyone limped then it was fair game. I could have raised it to $40 and they all would have called.

This is collusion. Play your hand how you want.

[Zach6668 513]

Splash pots suck. It completely disrupts the game and makes people go ape shit with J5os.

I don't see how that is a bad thing.

[psujohn 0]

TI did a splash pot promotion for a while. The amount wasn't known though and could be anywhere from $25 to 1K. Pretty funny watching a guy shove $300 w/bottom pair only to see another guy call and scoop the extra $25 w/2nd pair.

[Balloon guy 158]

Not quite the same as a Kill pot, because in a kill-pot, all our bets are still in relation to the pot size, it's just for an overall larger amount of money. Kill pots should not make you play any differently (except insofar as your opponents are doing so.) Splashed pots, due to the much-larger gain for equal size of bets, should result in different play.Then again, as Mark said, there's no fold equity here, so putting money in without having profitable equity is a loss.

Not same as in function, but same as in changes way people play for a single hand, better to back off and get the money later than chase with garbage because they're probably playing bad cards also.