I Stabbed Someone For $60,000

[quadaces 0]

I call BULLSH!TThis never happened! Only a ****ing retard that had a convultion at the absolute wrong time and accidentally throws his cards in the muck because of it folds there!

[antistuff 0]

uhh the pot is like what, a few hundred dollars?the bbj is 60k?isn't this a simple matter of pot odds?you call.

[drcossack 0]

Is this thread a joke or not? I know if it was made on 2p2 it would have been deleted already.

Shut up, Doug.

NO WAY I'm folding a str8 flush there against that type of player..... I'd even trow my car keys in the pot..... Then I would have to walk home, but that's a different story

Forget the car keys. I'd throw the car in the pot.

[fitzinabox 0]

i heard iqcrash wa sa seirous badass.... u should of killed the guy imo

[Merby 3]

I haven't read all the replies...Two things:1) Are you being charged with murder or assault with a weapon? I don't see it in the story, but when you stabbed him, did he duie, and are you in prison right now?2) What___ The____ F***____ Were____ You____ Thinking????------Putting all your "reads" about him being an agro-donk aside:-----

...I think about raising and building the pot, but I felt like if I just called he'd shove just about any river.So I just call...He open shoves..... It's bad enough thinking about folding a straight flush, but to fold it against a lunatic was even tougher.

You tell us he's an agro-tard and you're practically begging (and expecting) him to shove any river, then when that *EXACT* thing occurs, you chicken out of calling.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Let's put all that aside and look at the math.We will even put his range strictly on [A x] or [Q x] as you claimed (contrary to your earlier reads about you expecting him to open-shove any river with any hand). There are three possibilities:1) He has [A x] where the x is not the queen of spades. How many possibilities are there for the second card? The following cards are already known to not be the x: [7 8 9 T J 2 K A Q ]. Therefore, there are 52-9 = 43 possible combinations involving [A x] where the x is not the queen of spades.2) He has [Q x] where the x is not the ace of spades. As above, there are 43 possible combinations not involving the ace of spades.3) He has [A Q ]. There is exactly 1 way to have this hand.In total, there are 43 + 43 + 1 = 87 possible hands containing either the ace of spades or the queen of spades.You are being asked to call $700 to win $320 + $700 = $1020. If you fold, you win $0If you call, you will either lose $700 or win $1020.If there was no Bad Beat Jackpot:If you fold, you win $0: your expected value for folding is 0.If you call:In case 1: You win $1020 (this case occurs with probability 43/87).In cases 2 or 3: You lose $700 (this case occurs with probability 44/87)Your expected value for calling is (43/87)*1020 + (44/87)*(-700) = 504 - 354= +$150You win an average of $150 if you call and $0 if you fold, so you should call.If there is a Bad Beat Jackpot:As above, nothing changes if the bad beat jackpot does not happen: you win $0 if you fold, and either lose $700 or win $1020 if you call. Case 1 and Case 2 are the same, however, in case 3, you lose the hand (-$700) but win the bad beat jackpot (+$60,000) for a net gain of +$59,300.Your expected value for folding is again $0.Your expected value for calling is (43/87)*1020 + (43/87)*(-700) + (1/87)*(59300) = 504 - 346 + 682 = +$840.You win an average of $840 if you call and $0 if you fold, so you should call.As you can see, based on the hand range you put the villain on, you should call even if there *wasn't* a bad beat jackpot, but you should *definitely* call with there being a bad beat jackpot. Notice also, that the wider the hand range you put the villain on, the higher the expected value in calling.---------------------------------------------------------------------------For the record, if you put the villain *ONLY* on [Q x] and don't think he would shove without the queen of spades here, then with the bad beat jackpot, your expected value for calling is: 43/44*(-700) + (1/44)*(59300) = -684 + 1348 = +$663 So you should *STILL* call even if you put him *ONLY* on the queen of spades.You win an average of $663 if you call and $0 if you fold, so you should call.

[Balloon guy 158]

I haven't read all the replies...Two things:1) Are you being charged with murder or assault with a weapon? I don't see it in the story, but when you stabbed him, did he duie, and are you in prison right now?2) What___ The____ F***____ Were____ You____ Thinking????------Putting all your "reads" about him being an agro-donk aside:-----You tell us he's an agro-tard and you're practically begging (and expecting) him to shove any river, then when that *EXACT* thing occurs, you chicken out of calling.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Let's put all that aside and look at the math.We will even put his range strictly on [A x] or [Q x] as you claimed (contrary to your earlier reads about you expecting him to open-shove any river with any hand). There are three possibilities:1) He has [A x] where the x is not the queen of spades. How many possibilities are there for the second card? The following cards are already known to not be the x: [7 8 9 T J 2 K A Q ]. Therefore, there are 52-9 = 43 possible combinations involving [A x] where the x is not the queen of spades.2) He has [Q x] where the x is not the ace of spades. As above, there are 43 possible combinations not involving the ace of spades.3) He has [A Q ]. There is exactly 1 way to have this hand.In total, there are 43 + 43 + 1 = 87 possible hands containing either the ace of spades or the queen of spades.You are being asked to call $700 to win $320 + $700 = $1020. If you fold, you win $0If you call, you will either lose $700 or win $1020.If there was no Bad Beat Jackpot:If you fold, you win $0: your expected value for folding is 0.If you call:In case 1: You win $1020 (this case occurs with probability 43/87).In cases 2 or 3: You lose $700 (this case occurs with probability 44/87)Your expected value for calling is (43/87)*1020 + (44/87)*(-700) = 504 - 354= +$150You win an average of $150 if you call and $0 if you fold, so you should call.If there is a Bad Beat Jackpot:As above, nothing changes if the bad beat jackpot does not happen: you win $0 if you fold, and either lose $700 or win $1020 if you call. Case 1 and Case 2 are the same, however, in case 3, you lose the hand (-$700) but win the bad beat jackpot (+$60,000) for a net gain of +$59,300.Your expected value for folding is again $0.Your expected value for calling is (43/87)*1020 + (43/87)*(-700) + (1/87)*(59300) = 504 - 346 + 682 = +$840.You win an average of $840 if you call and $0 if you fold, so you should call.As you can see, based on the hand range you put the villain on, you should call even if there *wasn't* a bad beat jackpot, but you should *definitely* call with there being a bad beat jackpot. Notice also, that the wider the hand range you put the villain on, the higher the expected value in calling.---------------------------------------------------------------------------For the record, if you put the villain *ONLY* on [Q x] and don't think he would shove without the queen of spades here, then with the bad beat jackpot, your expected value for calling is: 43/44*(-700) + (1/44)*(59300) = -684 + 1348 = +$663 So you should *STILL* call even if you put him *ONLY* on the queen of spades.You win an average of $663 if you call and $0 if you fold, so you should call.

You put a lot in that post.

[Merby 3]

You put a lot in that post.

I had a lot of "WHAT THE F***?" to get out of my system after reading his post.I only hope we are all being leveled by the OP.

[socalpoker_j 1]

I'm surprised someone didn't chop your head off and use it as a punch bowl. I know how ornery the degen Asians and Arabs can get over a $100 dollar rack attack, let alone a 60k BBJ.

[HoosierAlum 0]

Obviously a level

[StrippersNBlow 0]

I hope this is not true and you're just desperate to fight through your writer's block.

[Abbaddabba 0]

If you assume right off the bat that he has the queen of spades, the probability of him having specifically AQ of spades is at worst 1/20, and you were getting like 100:1 when you include BBJ odds.On the bright side, you probably would have just dumped the $60,000 back into the poker community at some point anyways. When you suck at poker, a bet missed is just a bet you can't lose.

For the record, if you put the villain *ONLY* on [Q icon_suit_spade.gif x]and don't think he would shove without the queen of spades here, then with the bad beat jackpot, your expected value for calling is: 43/44*(-700) + (1/44)*(59300) = -684 + 1348 = +$663 So you should *STILL* call even if you put him *ONLY* on the queen of spades.

1/44... Because Q2o is just as likely as AQs to raise 10xbb first to act, obv.Folding is probably close to a $2,500 loss even if the other guy turns over the Q of spades.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

Also keep in mind that the super jackpot only runs a few hours a day (which happened to be when this hand took place), and the majority of the time any jackpot payout is the standard BBJ - which in my game would be $12,000 split 60/20/20.

A) So what. 7200 is still enough overlay to call.B) it's your fault for not taking the jackpot into consideration. That's what this boils down to. You made your decision, based on what was in the pot right there, and didn't think about the jackpot when you made the decision. That is obvious. And in retrospect, if you're really arguing that it was still a good fold, even with the jackpot, you're really just lying to yourself. I'm not even sure it was a good fold if the jackpot isn't taken into consideration. But it's a ridiculous one with the jackpot.This is a lesson for you, boys and girls. Always know the rules of the game that you're in, always know if a jackpot is possible in your game, and never fold a qualifying hand if you think you're beat.Seriously, if you're going to not take things like the jackpot into consideration, then don't play jackpot games, you're just throwing away an extra dollar every pot.

[CBass1724 1]

Moral? Get a BJ. Felatio is for suckers.

[Pivvy2001 0]

A) So what. 7200 is still enough overlay to call.B) it's your fault for not taking the jackpot into consideration. That's what this boils down to. You made your decision, based on what was in the pot right there, and didn't think about the jackpot when you made the decision. That is obvious. And in retrospect, if you're really arguing that it was still a good fold, even with the jackpot, you're really just lying to yourself. I'm not even sure it was a good fold if the jackpot isn't taken into consideration. But it's a ridiculous one with the jackpot.This is a lesson for you, boys and girls. Always know the rules of the game that you're in, always know if a jackpot is possible in your game, and never fold a qualifying hand if you think you're beat.Seriously, if you're going to not take things like the jackpot into consideration, then don't play jackpot games, you're just throwing away an extra dollar every pot.

I think this post ends the discussion...... It is right on pointThe fold is terrible no matter what and if you really didn't consider the BBJ then you shouldn't be playing BBJ games. Either way your play and laydown is horrible. Why bother setting up a table image if you are going to miss turn bets against manias and lay down straight flushes anyways. All that said, this is clearly a level. No doubt about it. Good one.

[vbnautilus 48]

Yea to those saying it is against the rules, is the dealer really gonna say anything if someone implies something? He's about to get the tip of the year.

Probably not, but you just have to be as careful as you can since they usually will scrutinize this situation looking for any reason not to pay out the jackpot. In my home casino the dealer is required to call over the floor if there is a potential jackpot being dealt (they call when there are two aces on the board), and there are a million little fine print rules that can invalidate it.

[psujohn 0]

Yeah the dealer will typically shush any jackpot talk as long as there's no floor nearby. For those who criticize the play of the Armenian guy I'm not sure it's so bad. He has the Q for the nut straight flush and the A for the nut flush. OP should fold to any bet unless he has the bottom end of the straight flush in which case he should call any bet. If the Armenian didn't have the A then a smaller bet might be in order looking for a call from the nut flush.Even if you take the BBJ into account it's not a horrible push since the only hand that would make it a jackpot - the bottom str8 flush - should NEVER fold here regardless of the bet size. Honestly there 's no way the Armenian put OP on the bottom straight flush. I suspect there's only a 50/50 chance he realized he had the nuts.

[ilovejulie 0]

No way I fold, Jackpot or not. But especially not with the Jackpot possibility. It's only a $720 beat. Not the end of the world. I find it hard to believe you were aware of the BBJ in your thinking at all here. Reads to me like you were lost in the thinking about whether you were beat or not. Especially in that you showed your hand. I posit that if you were aware of the BBJ, #1 you would have called, and #2 you would certainly not have showed. The table was made at you, not him, IMO.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Forgot about this thread.