DinkDonk 1 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I think some of you guys overestimate the difference between how good you are and how good mid stakes players are. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I didn't quite mean it that way but yes, I agree. Obv I'd be destroyed at 10/20.I meant more along the lines of I've still got a few fundamental things to learn..which will come with time.Also, I don't ever plan to more than 4 table.You'll learn as long as you're trying to figure it out. Link to post Share on other sites
DinkDonk 1 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I'm going to disagree and say neither of you (Dutch or HWS) would get "destroyed" at 10/20. Unless you've got serious leaks outside of your technical prowess (tilt etc.), you'd be a small dog at the very worst and a somewhat large favorite at best. I'm not exaggerating and I think I know enough of both of your thought levels to confidently say that. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I'm confident I would be a marginal winner at 10/20, and even if not, it would take me about 1/20th of the time it would take my stats to normalize to adjust. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I thought dutch was at 10/20 :SThe only tilt kinda issue I suffer from is cruising too much and losing concentration.I lose a ton of an edge when that happens and it takes a while to snap out of it.I think the key is dedication, and I am dedicated and and I love the game (most of the time).thinking about it a bit more.......I've played 35k hands and I've gone from being clueless to where I am.The thought of where I could be after 300k hands at the end of next year is quite exciting.. Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 There's a 10/20 game with a 63% VPIP right now with jennicide in it. I bet I'd have an edge there. lol In a more typical 10/20 game I'm not sure. Earlier this year when I just started to play shorthanded lhe for the first time (when this thread started) I went on a sick heater and went from being slightly underrolled for 2/4 to almost properly rolled for 10/20 in just a little over 2 weeks. At that time I did jump in a 10/20 game for couple hundred hands. Obviously you can't learn too much from a couple hundred hands at one table but I was quite sure I didn't have an edge. I knew how to be TAG but I didn't know how to take advantage of a lot of situations and opportunities that I'm learning to do now, and I didn't know how to react when people were trying to do those things to me. Right now I know I'm miles ahead of the player I was then (I think I'm miles ahead of the player I was a month ago)..so I dont know, it might be close but probably not quite there yet. Link to post Share on other sites
bigbluffben 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 What's up guys,first post here... I've been playing LHE serious, main income, for about year now. I started at 1/2 fullring and must have went on a heater cause I crushed those games really bad and then about a month and a half ago I hit a wall and was just living off rakeback and bonuses. So I switched to 6-max and struggled at first but now I feel like I'm pretty good but just went through my worst downswing 350BB and found that forums are a good place to start getting a little more confidence and feeling better about my game. So, Looking forward to adding my 2 cents here and learning from you guys. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,320 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 What's up guys,first post here... I've been playing LHE serious, main income, for about year now. I started at 1/2 fullring and must have went on a heater cause I crushed those games really bad and then about a month and a half ago I hit a wall and was just living off rakeback and bonuses. So I switched to 6-max and struggled at first but now I feel like I'm pretty good but just went through my worst downswing 350BB and found that forums are a good place to start getting a little more confidence and feeling better about my game. So, Looking forward to adding my 2 cents here and learning from you guys.Welcome and please feel free to add your thoughs and questions.Checky when he's back will be a fellow traveller when it comes to 350BB downswings. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,320 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Bob's Feel Good Hand of the Day or how a regular can be made to overplay one pair.So many people donk out on the turn when they pick up the flush draw to go along with whatever pair or other draw that they have that I see a lot of player raise the turn with only one pair and that's what I was counting on. His cap was just plain silly on the turn.TEXAS_HOLDEM, FIXED_LIMIT, P4-84621769-291 played at "Dubai" for USD RM from 2008-12-27 14:49 until 2008-12-27 14:50 Seat 1: Toews ($850.75 in chips) Seat 4: Tylle80 ($945 in chips) Seat 5: ProX1mate ($2,708.80 in chips) Seat 8: kvicksson ($1,106.35 in chips) ANTES/BLINDSToews posts small blind ($5), Tylle80 posts big blind ($10).PRE-FLOPProX1mate bets $20, kvicksson calls $20, Toews calls $15, Tylle80 calls $10.FLOP [board cards: 4D,7S,3H ]Toews checks, Tylle80 bets $10, ProX1mate bets $20, kvicksson folds, Toews calls $20, Tylle80 calls $10.TURN [board cards: 4D,7S,3H,2S ]Toews bets $20, Tylle80 calls $20, ProX1mate bets $40, Toews bets $40, Tylle80 folds, ProX1mate bets $40, Toews calls $20.RIVER [board cards: 4D,7S,3H,2S,JC ]Toews bets $20, ProX1mate calls $20.SHOWDOWNToews shows [ AC,5C ]ProX1mate mucks cards [ TH,TS ]Toews wins $358. SUMMARYDealer: kvickssonPot: $360, (including rake: $2)Toews, bets $140, collects $358, net $218Tylle80, loses $60ProX1mate, loses $140kvicksson, loses $20 Link to post Share on other sites
bigbluffben 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I really like that play... that is something I should add to my game. I know when people lead into me on the turn I autoraise with any hand with showdown value. Do you think there is any merit to c/rai the river? I feel like I'm always doing that in that spot Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I really like that play... that is something I should add to my game. I know when people lead into me on the turn I autoraise with any hand with showdown value. Do you think there is any merit to c/rai the river? I feel like I'm always doing that in that spotWelcome to the board/thread.He capped the turn so there's a chance he'll raise the river if we lead and then we can get in at least 3 bets. If we c/r we will probably get 2 bets max but maybe 0.My thinking anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
bigbluffben 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Yeah... I guess I'm just accustomed to my levels 1/2-2/4 where if three bets go in on the river I'm usually behind but a good portion of the time they will value bet TT and pay off Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,320 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I really like that play... that is something I should add to my game. I know when people lead into me on the turn I autoraise with any hand with showdown value. Do you think there is any merit to c/rai the river? I feel like I'm always doing that in that spot Welcome to the board/thread.He capped the turn so there's a chance he'll raise the river if we lead and then we can get in at least 3 bets. If we c/r we will probably get 2 bets max but maybe 0.My thinking anyway.I've always had the philosophy that I can't 3 bet unless I've 1 bet first and some players will cap the turn if they're in position in order to check down the river if they don't improve and I want to get at least 1 bet on the river.Keep in mind that this is a 4 handed game and those play pretty aggressively at the mid limits. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Do you think there is any merit to c/rai the river?It's a little nitpicky, especially cause I think you write fine otherwise, but technically c/rai = check-raise all-in (which is more of a NL term). Typically, c/r suffices for Limit.Also, with regard to the climb discussion, I remember that early in my poker development, the biggest Limit game available to me was 5/10 (Omaha High and O8) on Bodog. If I recall correctly, I sat down in that game with a BR of ~$1500 several times. At that point, I had no concept of BR management and dropped like $500 one time, which was pretty sickening. That said, I vowed that one day I'd make it back to that level and beat it. Granted, I eventually made it back in the form of LHE like a year or two later, but once I was well rolled, I jumped from there up to 10/20, 20/40, and 30/60. Now, I can't claim "expertise" yet, because while I'm a decent winner at 20/40 over a very large sample size, I'm currently an overall loser at 30/60. Yet I do feel decently comfortable at those stakes and feel that I'll go positive again there within the next 6 months. Basically, it's perfectly reasonable to climb through the levels faster than one might expect. Link to post Share on other sites
mbreon 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I'm 300+ pages late to the thread, but hoping I can occasionally join the thread. I have started to play more and more LHE online as I finally have a decently reliable internet connection, and LHE is my game of choice. While I know and have spoken to some of you about the game before (checky, Cobalt, etc.), I'm sure I can learn plenty from some of the others that post regularly in this thread. Good luck to all on the tables. Link to post Share on other sites
bigbluffben 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 It's a little nitpicky, especially cause I think you write fine otherwise, but technically c/rai = check-raise all-in (which is more of a NL term). Typically, c/r suffices for Limit.haha thanks for that... I'm not sure where I saw that but it seemed like a long abbreviation Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG with 6 , 6 Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB callsFlop: (6.4 SB) 4 , 2 , 10 (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsTurn: (4.7 BB) J (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsRiver: (7.7 BB) 5 (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsTotal pot: $5.35 (10.7 BB) | Rake: $0.25I almost raised this river in the hopes of folding out a mediocre club from the CO that was better than mine. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG with 6 , 6 Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB callsFlop: (6.4 SB) 4 , 2 , 10 (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsTurn: (4.7 BB) J (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsRiver: (7.7 BB) 5 (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsTotal pot: $5.35 (10.7 BB) | Rake: $0.25I almost raised this river in the hopes of folding out a mediocre club from the CO that was better than mine. Thoughts?I dont think anybody at that level or the next few levels is going to bet/fold a mediocre club there. Link to post Share on other sites
tuckermitchell 1 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG with 6 , 6 Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB callsFlop: (6.4 SB) 4 , 2 , 10 (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsTurn: (4.7 BB) J (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsRiver: (7.7 BB) 5 (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO callsTotal pot: $5.35 (10.7 BB) | Rake: $0.25I almost raised this river in the hopes of folding out a mediocre club from the CO that was better than mine. Thoughts?i personally fold this turn three handed Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 i personally fold this turn three handedditto Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 I dont think anybody at that level or the next few levels is going to bet/fold a mediocre club there.I was talking about folding out the CO, not the BB. I didn't really put the BB on a club. When I think about it though, most people at this level are probably going to just go....ZOMG I have a flush, I call!!As far as the rest of the hand goes, I acknowledge that I didn't play it that great overall. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 edit: raise or fold the turn. read dependent.double edit: Cinci, can you explain some of your thoughts on all streets while the hand was in process? Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Had a sick 30 bb downswing today. ****ing gross how often people got there on me and how little respect my raises got. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 i am the gutshot king today. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 i am the gutshot king today.those days are always the best days Link to post Share on other sites
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