Lost My Live Cherry Tonight

[Big Jono 0]

Well as ive mentioned a couple of times on here i have just made the move from New Zealand to Melbourne, Australia. Tonight being friday night i thought id head into the Crown and check out the poker room.They have a beginners freeroll ($600 betwen top 3) every friday night which you can enter if you are a new member of their Crown Poker Club, and as I have never played poker live before apart from donking round with mates I thought this would be a great way to get my feet wet. So i make it in there by 6pm (freerol scheduled to start at 6:10 for some reason) figure out where i have to sign up etc, get it all done then im told the freeroll isnt running at the moment because of satellites for the Aussie Million.Luckily I came prepared for this eventuality with a few hundys in my pocket and put my name down for some $1/$2 NL Holdem. Eventually my name starts flashing on the big board, i figure out where to go, sit down, get up, go to the cashier to get chips, sit down again, and im away!I play tight for a few rounds, table looks pretty tough. Definitely no easy money flying around. (yea i know what it means when you cant spot the fish, and in this case it was true) People were friendly and having a chat, after about 3 rounds ive played a couple of small pots and am up about $10 on my original buyin of $100 then this hand comes up....Im in early position and look down at two beautiful red ladies, open the betting with $12, guy in late position (new to table) calls. Flop comes 2 9 10 rainbow, i bet $10 (stupid, stupid stupid i know) he calls, turn 8. I bet $20 he thinks for about five milliseconds and goes all in (pretty even stacks) i kinda panic and dont really think about it and call. He flips over JQ for the straight and im down a buyin. ps I know i played this horrible, shoulda bet so much bigger on the flop, even all in, although from his play afterwards I think he woulda called anyway.REBUY! Play for a while again, no real pots of note then limp in with 10 10 late position, 5 maybe 6 players see flop of 7 7 2. Everyone checks to me and i bet $10, everyone folds apart from guy I tangled with earlier who calls. Turn 9, he checks and i bet $10 again, dude calls. River blank, 4 or something, and he bets $20, i tank, know i should fold but call and he flips over 7 2 for the flopped boat.I nurse me remaining half buyin for a while, looking for any opportunities to push it in and lose the rest but none come so I pack up and leave after almost another hour.All in all down $150 but now i can say i played live and it isnt so intimidating anymore, just got to try to be not so much of a fish next time. Everyone at the table could tell i was a bit of a noob, when i called with the losing hands someone else would call out his winning hand before he flipped it over etc, they knew i was beat. My hands shook when putting chips into big pots, whether I was strong or weak so not much of a tell but still made me feel like a noob. I played too tight IMO as when I raised one pot couple of guys were joking oooh hes got something good etc....Anyone got any advice on what i can do to prepare myself to go back? Im a pretty decent online player and OWN all my mates at home games etc but this experience humbled me a lot, realised I have so so much to learn before I can be confident enough to take on a live game regularly. How did other people help make the jump from online to live? Any hints on stopping the heart and hands from going a millions beats/shakes a minute. I wasnt playing with scared money as I brought over a heap with me from NZ but guess im just not used to wagering it when I can actually see/feel the chips infront of me.Thanks, Jono.

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Anyone got any advice on what i can do to prepare myself to go back?

DONT limp with TT....then hands like 7-2 get free flops

[CrookedLink 0]

my 1st live experience was in a tourney so it was pretty fun, but my 1st live cash experience was a disaster.I lost my $100 buy in in $1/$2 in about 15 minutes, but I think that was the problem, I was so short stacked compared tothe rest of the table that it was hard to make any moves. I mean, the standard raise at my table for some reason was between $15 and $20,so when you've only got $100 in front of you, it puts u in a tough position.Next time I went back I bought it for $200 and my comfort level was so much higher, and subsequently, I had a good session.

[pt special 0]

loosen up, have fun, and dont be afraid to play your normal gamealso, my first casino experience was pretty bad too

[veecee 0]

Bet larger amountsFrom this report it sounds like you are scared money (just my observation)Pretend like youre playing .10/.25 online...lol

[Doug 0]

Yeah I think playing tourneys is better to start playing live as you have a limit you can lose. In cash I think it is easier to be intimidated as a beginner as you might get pushed off pots or make stupid calls which cost you a lot more. Doesn't sound like you played terrible but at least you learnt something from the experience.

[CrookedLink 0]

Bet larger amountsFrom this report it sounds like you are scared money (just my observation)Pretend like youre playing .10/.25 online...lol

it took you almost 3 years to make your first post and thats the best u got?

[Big Jono 0]

Thanks fellas

Yeah I think playing tourneys is better to start playing live as you have a limit you can lose. In cash I think it is easier to be intimidated as a beginner as you might get pushed off pots or make stupid calls which cost you a lot more. Doesn't sound like you played terrible but at least you learnt something from the experience.

Yea this is definitely what happened which is why I wanted to play the freeroll first. But it took me ages to get into town so didnt want to just turn around and go home which is why i played 1/2.Dont think any of their regular toruneys are running while the Aussie Millions on for the next two weeks but might play a couple of them next, some are as low as $40 which looks good. And ive got a month to play the freeroll too.

[veecee 0]

it took you almost 3 years to make your first post and thats the best u got?

lol...you mean you werent impressed?

[caviness36 0]

Thanks fellasYea this is definitely what happened which is why I wanted to play the freeroll first. But it took me ages to get into town so didnt want to just turn around and go home which is why i played 1/2.Dont think any of their regular toruneys are running while the Aussie Millions on for the next two weeks but might play a couple of them next, some are as low as $40 which looks good. And ive got a month to play the freeroll too.

First, congrats on getting a live session under your belt. It is certainly a rush the first time you sit down at a live table. Second, I really think you need to reconsider your bankroll. I know there's a lot of talk on this forum regarding bankroll management, and more players should take note of that advice. If you sit at a $1/$2 game with $100, you are asking for trouble. You cannot realistically sit in that game with anything less than $200. If you have $200 in front of you, and you look down at 10, 10, you can can feel comfortable making a raise to $12 or $15. By the same token, you can bet your ladies hard after the flop. For example, you can lead out for the pot, then make a read from that point forward. If you bet $12 preflop, then $30 on the flop, and then your opponent makes a move for your whole stack, you can lay it down if you feel you are beat, and you'll still have $150+ left to play with. If you only have $100 in front of you and you make the same play, it's much harder to lay down QQ after that flop or turn when you have roughly 50% of your stack in play. Most of the people who post on this site are good players. Those who do well are the ones who aren't playing with scared money. IMHO, you want to be the guy who can call $10 after the flop with an OESD, and then take that $100 buyin from the guy who bought in short. Good luck in your next live session. I think the idea of playing in some small buyin tourneys to get more used to playing the poker room is a great idea. Best of luck.

[nobody610 0]

My advice when transitioning to live play is to start by playing limit instead of no limit. You will likely get to play more hands this way and get more experience. It will also keep you from having to make decisions for all your chips. It should also help to keep you calm while you are still getting your feet wet live.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Im in early position and look down at two beautiful red ladies, open the betting with $12, guy in late position (new to table) calls. Flop comes 2 9 10 rainbow, i bet $10 (stupid, stupid stupid i know) he calls, turn 8. I bet $20 he thinks for about five milliseconds and goes all in (pretty even stacks) i kinda panic and dont really think about it and call. He flips over JQ for the straight and im down a buyin. ps I know i played this horrible, shoulda bet so much bigger on the flop, even all in, although from his play afterwards I think he woulda called anyway.

You're right; the flop bet is too light and you shouldn't pay off without thinking. But you're being way too hard on your actual decisions in this hand for these reasons:

1. You're playing on a short stack.
2. It's a raised pot.
3. The amount of money you put in when you were behind isn't out of proportion to what you put in when you were ahead.
4. The two queens in your hand make it much less likely that the villain holds one.
5. You still have outs for a split.

Over the long haul, getting all your money in with an overpair at 50bb is going to be OK.

[fighter 4]

I raised one pot couple of guys were joking oooh hes got something good etc....Anyone got any advice on what i can do to prepare myself to go back? Thanks, Jono.

I remember the first time I played live. I watched caro's book of poker tells dvd 1 hour before I left and got to the place 30 minutes early. I was so excited. I think the fact that I spent the whole time looking for tells was really great for nerves. I remember the first session for two reasons. 1. I had top pair on the flop so i bet and the villian called. The turn put 3 clubs on the board. I was worried thinking that he had the flush but then he looked down at his cards. The obvious tell for him not already having the flush. I bet he calls, the river bricks I vaule bet and he calls. I win a large pot mainly because I witnessed this tell.2. I came 5th out of 50 first tournament.Next time you go worry about the other people. The more you work out where your opponents are at the more comfortable you will feel and the less you will over think your own game.

My advice when transitioning to live play is to start by playing limit instead of no limit.

kind of good advice but if you have no experience playing limit then this is a bad idea. Since you have already "wet your feet" then there is no need to play limit unless you feel you have an edge.

[Mackenzieee 0]

my only live experiences were limit. But i always seem to make profit.I play super tight and get paid off cuz im playing way beyond my means lolI really need to play no limit, so I actually have fun and keep my ADD fully occupied /story

[vbnautilus 48]

There's really no substitute for just logging the hours at the table until you get comfortable with the situation.

[Citizen Erased 0]

I've only played live in tournaments, but I've found it just plain mint. I'm yet to cash, but having played 6 rebuy tournaments, I'm yet to rebuy and have finished in the top 3rd each time. My latest venture even saw me hit the final table in a field of 64 people at my second sitting at this particular casino. Despite these decent placings, I'm yet to play the cash game there. It's apparently a £20 Buy In (PLHE) but people play with £300 in front of them as standard. My friend's sat down there once and lost his tiny £50 stack to AJ < A6. In the hand, he shoved on the flop... that's how little he had in front of him.To summarise:Play your game, and you'll be fine.With such a small stack, you can't play your game...

[david_keena 0]

i know i was nervous my first time. just have fun, and play your style. i lost my first time too. at a $1/2 NLHE game i think u shoulda bought for around $200. also the 772 floop u maybe shoulda checked the turn. IMO obv the queens u realized what u did wrong after the hand. it was your first live game sometimes it is hard to concentrate. but atleast u did it. better luck next time.

[Citizen Erased 0]

Ah well, look at it this way: At your first attempt, you didn't even lose a full buy-in, and you learnt all the lessons and got advice from the forum for future plays.I'd say that's pretty impressive or, in poker terms, +EV.

[Balloon guy 158]

lol...you mean you werent impressed?

I hope you post more.

[mase_gotsem 0]

As far as the hands shaking and heart racing . that takes time to get over . once you get used to it and get more confidance it gets alot easier . i remember my first live bluff i musta been sweating lol im pretty sure everyone at the table can see my heart pounding outa my chest and my hands shake as i tossed a re raise into the pot , lol definelty one of the best rushes iv felt and every time i think about it i laugh to my self it was a great feeling .ps i won da hand

[thehidden 0]

Well as ive mentioned a couple of times on here i have just made the move from New Zealand to Melbourne, Australia. Tonight being friday night i thought id head into the Crown and check out the poker room.They have a beginners freeroll ($600 betwen top 3) every friday night which you can enter if you are a new member of their Crown Poker Club, and as I have never played poker live before apart from donking round with mates I thought this would be a great way to get my feet wet. So i make it in there by 6pm (freerol scheduled to start at 6:10 for some reason) figure out where i have to sign up etc, get it all done then im told the freeroll isnt running at the moment because of satellites for the Aussie Million.Luckily I came prepared for this eventuality with a few hundys in my pocket and put my name down for some $1/$2 NL Holdem. Eventually my name starts flashing on the big board, i figure out where to go, sit down, get up, go to the cashier to get chips, sit down again, and im away!I play tight for a few rounds, table looks pretty tough. Definitely no easy money flying around. (yea i know what it means when you cant spot the fish, and in this case it was true) People were friendly and having a chat, after about 3 rounds ive played a couple of small pots and am up about $10 on my original buyin of $100 then this hand comes up....Im in early position and look down at two beautiful red ladies, open the betting with $12, guy in late position (new to table) calls. Flop comes 2 9 10 rainbow, i bet $10 (stupid, stupid stupid i know) he calls, turn 8. I bet $20 he thinks for about five milliseconds and goes all in (pretty even stacks) i kinda panic and dont really think about it and call. He flips over JQ for the straight and im down a buyin. ps I know i played this horrible, shoulda bet so much bigger on the flop, even all in, although from his play afterwards I think he woulda called anyway.REBUY! Play for a while again, no real pots of note then limp in with 10 10 late position, 5 maybe 6 players see flop of 7 7 2. Everyone checks to me and i bet $10, everyone folds apart from guy I tangled with earlier who calls. Turn 9, he checks and i bet $10 again, dude calls. River blank, 4 or something, and he bets $20, i tank, know i should fold but call and he flips over 7 2 for the flopped boat.I nurse me remaining half buyin for a while, looking for any opportunities to push it in and lose the rest but none come so I pack up and leave after almost another hour.All in all down $150 but now i can say i played live and it isnt so intimidating anymore, just got to try to be not so much of a fish next time. Everyone at the table could tell i was a bit of a noob, when i called with the losing hands someone else would call out his winning hand before he flipped it over etc, they knew i was beat. My hands shook when putting chips into big pots, whether I was strong or weak so not much of a tell but still made me feel like a noob. I played too tight IMO as when I raised one pot couple of guys were joking oooh hes got something good etc....Anyone got any advice on what i can do to prepare myself to go back? Im a pretty decent online player and OWN all my mates at home games etc but this experience humbled me a lot, realised I have so so much to learn before I can be confident enough to take on a live game regularly. How did other people help make the jump from online to live? Any hints on stopping the heart and hands from going a millions beats/shakes a minute. I wasnt playing with scared money as I brought over a heap with me from NZ but guess im just not used to wagering it when I can actually see/feel the chips infront of me.Thanks, Jono.

you are playing a cash game, don't look for spots to shovel IMO. I think it's a really bad play and mind set to be looking to double up, i never want to have my whole stack at risk in a cash game. Was it 100 max buy in?

[Naps_555 0]

First, congrats on getting a live session under your belt. It is certainly a rush the first time you sit down at a live table. Second, I really think you need to reconsider your bankroll. I know there's a lot of talk on this forum regarding bankroll management, and more players should take note of that advice. If you sit at a $1/$2 game with $100, you are asking for trouble. You cannot realistically sit in that game with anything less than $200. If you have $200 in front of you, and you look down at 10, 10, you can can feel comfortable making a raise to $12 or $15. By the same token, you can bet your ladies hard after the flop. For example, you can lead out for the pot, then make a read from that point forward. If you bet $12 preflop, then $30 on the flop, and then your opponent makes a move for your whole stack, you can lay it down if you feel you are beat, and you'll still have $150+ left to play with. If you only have $100 in front of you and you make the same play, it's much harder to lay down QQ after that flop or turn when you have roughly 50% of your stack in play. Most of the people who post on this site are good players. Those who do well are the ones who aren't playing with scared money. IMHO, you want to be the guy who can call $10 after the flop with an OESD, and then take that $100 buyin from the guy who bought in short. Good luck in your next live session. I think the idea of playing in some small buyin tourneys to get more used to playing the poker room is a great idea. Best of luck.

The Maximum buy-in at Crown in Melbourne (where the OP was playing) is $80 in the $1-$2NL game.Buying in for $200 would be great but its not possible, so you have to grind the $80 up to $200 then you can start playing

[Naps_555 0]

you are playing a cash game, don't look for spots to shovel IMO. I think it's a really bad play and mind set to be looking to double up, i never want to have my whole stack at risk in a cash game. Was it 100 max buy in?

$80 Max buy in and $60min buy inPretty stupid really

[aussiedonk 0]

First, congrats on getting a live session under your belt. It is certainly a rush the first time you sit down at a live table. Second, I really think you need to reconsider your bankroll. I know there's a lot of talk on this forum regarding bankroll management, and more players should take note of that advice. If you sit at a $1/$2 game with $100, you are asking for trouble. You cannot realistically sit in that game with anything less than $200. If you have $200 in front of you, and you look down at 10, 10, you can can feel comfortable making a raise to $12 or $15. By the same token, you can bet your ladies hard after the flop. For example, you can lead out for the pot, then make a read from that point forward. If you bet $12 preflop, then $30 on the flop, and then your opponent makes a move for your whole stack, you can lay it down if you feel you are beat, and you'll still have $150+ left to play with. If you only have $100 in front of you and you make the same play, it's much harder to lay down QQ after that flop or turn when you have roughly 50% of your stack in play. Most of the people who post on this site are good players. Those who do well are the ones who aren't playing with scared money. IMHO, you want to be the guy who can call $10 after the flop with an OESD, and then take that $100 buyin from the guy who bought in short. Good luck in your next live session. I think the idea of playing in some small buyin tourneys to get more used to playing the poker room is a great idea. Best of luck.

lol @ ever laying down an overpair at a $1/$2 game at Crown. Al

[aussiedonk 0]

lol @ ever laying down an overpair at a $1/$2 game at Crown. Al

Crap I posted that before I'd finished typing it. Anyway overpair at a live $1/$2 game in Australia = the nuts imo. The benefit of not being scared money is that you can happily stack off an a low flop with QQ, not that you have a big enough stack to get away from it. Also it may be that $100 is the max buy-in for the $1/$2 game. I can't remember what it is at Crown, but in Sydney the max buy-in for that game is $80 - this is designed to enable degens from all works of life to chase any draw they please.