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"There stood this poor, scared, half-naked little boy saying 'Help me, help me. Hide me. They're after me,"' Moore said. "I could see the fear in his eye. He said, 'They're going to get me and spank me hard."'

The mindset of this 10 year old, he was going to do it, regardless if he had a gun or not

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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/m...politan/3158359used a knife

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Will criminals always have access to guns even if they are illegal?  YESWill law abiding citizens have weaponry to use against criminals?  NOOutlawing guns is -EV for law abiding citizens

That is without a doubt a comment that will get into my list of the top ten of the most ridiculous comment i've read.Have you often heard of someone who miraculously survived a criminal attack because he was able to defend himself and shoot the criminal ? It's something I've never heard of.At the opposite, I've heard ton of stories in which normal people became unwillingly criminals because they had a gun nearby while "being on tilt"...I don't want to start a politic war but I'm proud to be Canadian on that point... See Michael Moore for further explanations...

If you have never heard of someone who defends himself or his family from a criminal with a gun then you must have your head buried firmly up your a$#. Or you just havn't looked.It happens every day.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Start here.http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx

[Socrates 0]

Living here in TX if some jackass tried to take the guns away, we'd prolly secede from the union again

It is pretty bad down here. Hell I just saw a commercial during prime time last night for assault rifles and such at a gun store here in town.Its sad that ppl hide behind the 2nd amendment, but still don't understand what it was really meant for. I have gun toting friends and they all claim they have a right to defend themselves and our country and so forth, but I didn't see one of them running to any border on 9/11 - in their defense, they did have to go into work though - guns don't kill people, stupid people kill people with guns, i.e. the kids at schools, the dealer noted above. He may have been a nice kid, but he was obviously mentally unstable to begin with.

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http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3...65&nav=0RceZ81Xhttp://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/04260...EShooting.shtmlhttp://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=3161860There 3 seperate incidents...aww hell here's a bunchhttp://keepandbeararms.com/enjoy

[GregF 0]

It happens every dayNot in my country, thank God.Honestly I have trouble figuring how someone can actually, in the 21st century, speak like some of you guys do. I mean basically, you're telling me that you're glad you have a gun to protect your family from criminal attacks. That's something that would never cross my mind, ever. I'm actually much more glad that nobody around me, including myself, have a gun in his possession. I sleep much better. But that's just me. Anyway I guess our cultures are just totally different and I can live with that.The world is sick. Seriously.

[clashcityrocker 0]

yesterday this real nice kid that deals at a local casino got in a shootout with local police then shot himself.  From what i hear, he had a girl on the way out and his father was getting shipped out to kuwait.  There's no point to this post other than to remember that dealers are humans also and have feelings just as u and i.  He was a nice kid and I'm sad he's gone.

Why is the title Cobain? Was that the dealer's name?

[renaedawn 1]

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/m...politan/3158359used a knife

I don't see how this makes your point. This suspect stabbed an officer, not snuck up behind him and slit his throat, which I believe was what you said. Knife fights happen every day. So do shootings.

[harvey 0]

There are some people in America that believe in freedom. This freedom shouldn't be impeded because a minority of the population cannot behave properly. The government shouldn't create laws that inhibit the freedoms of a citizen based on the actions of another citizen. Every time you voluntarily give away a freedom to the control of the government, you do yourself a grave injustice. America stands for the concept that, if you aren't doing harm to anyone you should be left alone. Is the government going to ban the use of automobiles because a large number of people drink and drive turning their cars into lethal weapons? Should the government ban alcohol again, because certain people cannot drink in moderation or get behind the wheel?Its so scary that people in this country are so quick to let the government take care of the problem. Instead of banning gun usage, could you not think of another way? Like educating people. No, just let the government take care of it and we don't have to think about those crazy gun owners anymore. In almost all of these type of situations, money spent on education instead of legislation would be such a better idea.I think alot of people, just choose a position on these issues because the view themselves as a liberal or a conservative, and they think: well I am liberal, so I think we should get rid of the guns. Very scary.--The Candian portion of Michael Moore's documentary was trying to show that the problem with America was not that they had the right to own a gun, its the violence of the American culture that needs to change.Canada passed a law in the mid 1990s to license all guns by a certain date. Well, that date is passed and they estimate that only 2 million of the 10 million guns have been licensed. Thats alot of Candian felons i'll tell you. Yay Canada!

[HtotheNootch 0]

I'm going to have some fun with this thread!

[Sick Daddy 0]

I grew up in a household of hunters. I've always been around guns. When I was old enough to understand things, I was taught to respect guns and what they can do. If a parent has a gun in the house, it should be their responsibility to teach their child about gun safety, and that they are not toys.Do you want the government stepping into your household and taking away your kids bikes because riding them without a helmet can result in a fatal accident? Teach and promote safety to your kids. It's your job.

[HtotheNootch 0]

There are some people in America that believe in freedom. This freedom shouldn't be impeded because a minority of the population cannot behave properly. The government shouldn't create laws that inhibit the freedoms of a citizen based on the actions of another citizen. Every time you voluntarily give away a freedom to the control of the government, you do yourself a grave injustice.  America stands for the concept that, if you aren't doing harm to anyone you should be left alone. Is the government going to ban the use of automobiles because a large number of people drink and drive turning their cars into lethal weapons? Should the government ban alcohol again, because certain people cannot drink in moderation or get behind the wheel?Its so scary that people in this country are so quick to let the government take care of the problem. Instead of banning gun usage, could you not think of another way? Like educating people. No, just let the government take care of it and we don't have to think about those crazy gun owners anymore. In almost all of these type of situations, money spent on education instead of legislation would be such a better idea.I think alot of people, just choose a position on these issues because the view themselves as a liberal or a conservative, and they think: well I am liberal, so I think we should get rid of the guns. Very scary.--The Candian portion of Michael Moore's documentary was trying to show that the problem with America was not that they had the right to own a gun, its the violence of the American culture that needs to change.Canada passed a law in the mid 1990s to license all guns by a certain date. Well, that date is passed and they estimate that only 2 million of the 10 million guns have been licensed. Thats alot of Candian felons i'll tell you. Yay Canada!

Brilliant post Harvey!Unfortunately you killed some of the fun I was planning on having.Also remember Canada has had some major problems with it's "one-size fits all" gun laws. What makes sense in Toronto doesn't necessarily make sense in Northern Manitoba.

[Fire- 0]

For the jackasses who let that happen, I suggest we fire up old sparky (electric chair) for them.This world is filled with too many ignorant people.  On issues like leaving a gun out and your kid killing themselves or someone else, I don't blame the gun, but rather the parents and they should be charged with murder...same with drunk drivers

i just wholeheartedly don't believe that the issue of life or death should be up to the public, and allowing the public to legally own guns leaves that up to the public. i don't want to go to my friend's place, walk in the front door, but accidentally walk into the wrong apartment and have some moron shoot me because he thinks i'm trespassing.

so dont be a dumbass and walk into the correct apartment. But anyway, i understand your logic behind the post. By taking away our right to have a gun you're taking away one of the things that built this country. Our lives are so ingrained with the need for a gun to be safe it's not funny. we should probably start putting up electric barbed wire fences around our yards and reinvent the moat.

[rogermarks 0]

When was the last time a normal citizen shot a criminal?

[bigk 0]

Just because you are schizophrenic does not mean that you are a violent person or will cause violence. A majority of schizophrenics would never hurt another human even if they wanted to. Most of the people who commit mass shootings, mass violence or whatever are normal people who snap, and then go kill people and eventually themselves.

[allinbluff35 0]

When was the last time a normal citizen shot a criminal?

probably about 10 minutes ago

[renaedawn 1]

When was the last time a normal citizen shot a criminal?

probably about 10 minutes ago

[HtotheNootch 0]

Living here in TX if some jackass tried to take the guns away, we'd prolly secede from the union again

It is pretty bad down here. Hell I just saw a commercial during prime time last night for assault rifles and such at a gun store here in town.Its sad that ppl hide behind the 2nd amendment, but still don't understand what it was really meant for. I have gun toting friends and they all claim they have a right to defend themselves and our country and so forth, but I didn't see one of them running to any border on 9/11 - in their defense, they did have to go into work though - guns don't kill people, stupid people kill people with guns, i.e. the kids at schools, the dealer noted above. He may have been a nice kid, but he was obviously mentally unstable to begin with.

I love how people who don't understand the 2nd ammendment like to say people don't understand the 2nd ammendment. It wasn't meant to protect the US from Britain, France, Spain, etc. It was included in the Bill of Rights to protect the States and Citizens from - THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. In other words it was a means of protecting the people from tyranny.

[kindofblu 0]

If I didn't have this gun, the King of England could just walk in here any time he wants, and start shoving you around. Do you want that? Huh? Do you?

[Guest Anonymous]

A gun in the home also increases the likelihood of an unintentional shooting, particularly among children. Unintentional shootings commonly occur when children find an adult's loaded handgun in a drawer or closet, and while playing with it shoot themselves, a sibling or a friend. The unintentional firearm-related death rate for children 0-14 years old is NINE times higher in the U.S. than in the 25 other countries combined.

I could see how the presence of a gun in a home could increase the odds of a shooting. What a dil.do

[allinbluff35 0]

all I read about in this topic was something about guns, now it's time for interesting stories. Who all has had a gun pulled on them?

[Fire- 0]

Knives are more common around here. Samaraui swords, swithblades, and a dairy queen. Long story short... it was funny.

[poguemahone68 0]

The way I see it, there are six reasons to own and/or use a gun in America.1. To use as protection against an intruder (human, animal or alien) on your property or in your home. (I think weapons that fire bullets are highly antiquated for this purpose. Too much room for permanent damage in error. I believe gun companies should step it up and make other options available and market them as superior, in every way, in defending one's self, family and property. I'm thinking along the lines of weapons that incapacitate, but do not permanantly injur, so things can be sorted out later. Would prevent a lot of accindents and misunderstandings from becomming fatal.)2. To hunt animals for food or sport. (I do believe there are still people in America that hunt animals for food and have no problem with this at all. I have never understood hunting animals for sport, it really is mind boggling to me how anyone can derive pleasure from this sort of thing.)3. To shoot innanimate objects, such as targets or skeet for sport. (Again, don't really see the sport here, at least not as much as archery, but I think people should have the freedom to do it if they have fun doing so and can maintain the level of responsibility required.)4. To use in a criminal act, such as robbing a bank or liquor store. (This is an everyday occurance in major cities and I don't think banning guns will stop it. Tougher penalties may have an effect. I also think we really need to focus on why people do this, not all are lazy and think this is the easiest way to get money. Lots of drug addicts are out there doing this, which is an area of our society I think we need to focus more energy.)5. To kill another human being or take one's own life. (This can be pre-meditated or in the heat of the moment. I'm glad I don't carry a gun in my car, as I would certainly be in prison by now for murdering an idiot driver. This is the one I can't get past though. Guns are just so 19th century, yet they're everywhere, just waiting to be picked up and shot! I think melting a few million down to use for something, anything else wouldn't hurt this country one bit.)6. To collect as a hobby. ( I see nothing wrong here, guns are huge part of our history. I'm just not too fond of the fact that they are also a huge part of our present.)America is a large country consisting of many lifestyles being lived in vastly different settings, from densly populated cities to small towns to isolated farms or cabins in the woods. People's responses to this issue are usually closely related to their lifestyle and where they live.Where I see that banning guns in America is not likely to happen, I do feel that this is an issue that needs attention. In my opinion there is truly something wrong with gangs of kids, teenagers on up, walking around with assault rifles in urban areas. Clearly the only reason these people own these weapons is to kill people.I really don't have any answers or solutions to Americas increasing problem of death and injury due to firearms. I am just trying to understand it, so when it comes time to vote on these issues, I'm not just voting out of ignorance or selfishness, but for the healthy progression of this amazing country.

[allinbluff35 0]

Knives are more common around here.  Samaraui swords, swithblades, and a dairy queen.  Long story short... it was funny.

those ice pick things were pretty common when I was younger and guns became the "cool" thing to when i got older