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  1. The link you gave is dead, so I don't know what its telling you to do but:ROI% = PROFIT/INVESTMENT....or (WINNINGS - INVESTMETNT)/ INVESTMENT.....oror WINNINGS/INVESTMENT - 1so for your question :(72 - 110)/110 = - 34.5 %have fun.
  2. The only thing flawed, is you ability to type my name! j/k lolI would call because thats what I normally do, and when I ask my database if its a good idea it says yes (I show a positive EV for A2s+ for calling a raise against one opponent in the BB).You're getting 3.5:1 odds, and since players usually have a trouble getting rid of their big hands you get paid off pretty good when you hit straights, flushes, or even when you pair your 4s or A high against any unpaired big paint hand.... KQ, KJ, AK(not with Ace high obviously)...etc. Sure, alot of times you are dominated, but alot of times you
  3. OH, and since I never really addressed the actual arguement,I would call the raise.But, I still disagree with the cost of folding part.
  4. That is where the complexity of calculating pot equity preflop comes in. You can't just say that your chance of winning is 1/3,. which isn't accurate at all (if you see Jayson's poker stove results) because the hand has to go to the river. The hand going to the river depends on a number of factors that cannot be determined easily without seeing the cards. If you read akishore's posts he explains it much better. When you do game theory problems and try to come up with a cost of folding preflop, I've have only seen those methods used that I listed. You can say whatever you want, I just don't th
  5. How does the post show that? He just said he assumes....When money goes into a pot, you can't just claim ownership of it based on your contribution to determine how much you lose by folding. That money is gone. If things worked that way, then everytime you figured out your pot equity you would just add up how much money you've contributed to the pot with no consideration for how likely you are to win the hand and how much money is in the pot. Its extremely complicated to determine pot equity preflop, with so many (some undetermined) factors including the actual board cards, and how playable t
  6. When you model poker hands mathematically, its sometimes helps to equate folding with a zero cost (current pot belongs to no-one) which can simplify the equations, without losing the intent of analysing the hand.. This is probably what akishore is talking about.In actuality, there is a cost to folding but it isn't .5 BB, you should spread the cost of the blinds out of each of the 10 hands, so -.075 Big bets for each hand folded in a 10 handed game. This more accurately describes the effect of the blinds on the game....In any event, equating the fold with -.5 BB is usually not the way to go..t
  7. Well thinning the field is directly related to pot size. I felt like you were saying with your post: If there were some magic where I could exploit my preflop edge, yet not severely diminish my post-flop edge, I might raise with AJo. For instance, lets say there is on average 60 % of the players seeing the flop with a preflop raise in our game. We have AJo in early position and we are deciding whether to raise it up. We guess based on the average that 5 other players will likely call if we raise. That'll give approx. 12:1 odds on the flop thus making the pot large enough to severely diminish t
  8. Its interesting that your arguement is for loose games--Implying that if you had the ability to thin the field a bit, you might raise with these hands like AJo, KQo. That would mean as a function of tightness, there would be some inflection point point where raising preflop gives you most preflop + postflop expectation. As a table increases in looseness from this point your expectation of postflop goes down thus reducing your profits, and as the table increases tightness from this point your preflop expectation of raising goes down because of the increasingly better hands calling the raise.It
  9. It would be common in a short handed game to bet the four on the flop. Especially if you had any type of read on his aggression, I would discount the possibilty of a four slightly. If you planned on staying at this table for awhile, I'd make the call. I know clicking-tells are somewhat unreliable, but in a short handed game knowing what a fast-click usually means from a player can be useful in future tough decisions.. I have found that most players don't vary much, they either fast click with a strong hand or fast click trying to represent the card that just hit.Little bits of information can
  10. One of the biggest parts of positional playing, is having an accurate dipiction of the pot and implied odds. This DOES apply preflop. One reason a hand chart would normally put 87s as a late position call, is to ensure that you have the neccessary information about how big the pot is going to be. What Miller is saying is that you should consider other aspects of the game, like I have 87s with only 2 limpers in LP, but these guys will cap the flop turn and river with nothing so if I hit a straight or flush it'll more than make up for not having another player or 2. This is all about implied odd
  11. I was referring to the 12 k9 combinations. Sorry if that wasn't explained well. Oh, sorry I misread it as A2s vs A6s. In my database, A5s does better. In pokerroom's database it does better as wellhttp://www.pokerroom.com/games/evstats/positionStats.php?players=10 ://http://www.pokerroom.com/games/evst...php?players=10 Hey, you and rise were qouting miller, so I thought I'd bring it up. They aren't rigid, but the prevailing conditions of the hand would make it less desireable, not more desireable. I agree something I tend to do at 5 in the morning for whatever reason....I guess we will agre
  12. Its just one extra thing... combined with the other things I listed. It does count for something though. Look at the difference in your PT database between A5s and A6s; it better shows how the straight possibility makes a difference. I have it memorized (j/k). Anyway, SSHE says k8s is a late position only call. heck, you could raise with it sometimes. yes I agree which is why it would only take a couple up front limpers to convince me...
  13. yes, but A2s makes a straight. And A2s makes the highest pair rather than the second, and the nut flush rather than the second nut. It has alot more going for it in terms of holding up multiway.. I'd call with it UTG. As for kickers, having one card lower kicker gives 12 more hands combinations that dominate you. And just in general, flopping a pair of eights will hold up less than nines...statisically speaking. Its not that big of a difference, but combined with losing the straight possibility it all adds up, which is why its usually played differently than K9s. But, like I said, with 1 or 2
  14. A loose aggressive player often would raise a flush draw even with so few players in the pot... I think folding is out of the question. I'd raise on the strength of my kicker. He could be betting on a one card K high flush draw/A something if he's aggressiveI'd be more concerned with either of the passive categories betting into an aggressor on the turn would usually mean a pretty big hand. And they would have less propencity to bet a flush draw..
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