belragazo 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hello everybody,To sum up,First of all, I would like to apologize to all of you. I think my behavior was excessive and I did not want to hurt anybody.It was very early in the morning 8 Am and I was extremely tired when the controversy happenned about my 'Kill him'.Second of all, Greg is a really good player. There was a misunderstanding. Even if i appreciated al lot 'zigi' or 'robroy', for me there was only one man on table: Fossilman.I did say that I was happy that Greg was out because I felt that I was scared of him and that it made me hesitate to play in situations I would usually win the hands (please ref hands below)In other words, it was a compliment, even though the words chosen were not the right ones. Do not forget I am a French man and I am a competitor, I also used this sentence:"i still have u in target". Then I prefer metaphorically say "kill him" than "get him out of the table".I didn't explain me during the game because i didn't want to loose my concentration (that's what happened when i lost few minutes later at 9am, ready to go to work).Third of all, there is no controversy about Greg's luck. Here is the hand: Belragazo K K , Fossilman Jc Tc . with 3h Jd 5c on Flop. 2s Turn, Td RiverWhen you look closely at this hand, There are several reasons why Greg did play this way.I did make a huge reraise PreFlop, then FossilMan commented, "I'm luckier" and called.On the flop, i play a classic Check-Raise where the opponent has been trapped by making a big bet. he felt obligated to keep raising after his previous comment.Here is my big mistake: Online u are so happy that u play a fast Raise.I had to wait some seconds to let him realise: "You are out if you make that call.But the whole action took place in 2 secs. i made a big Mistake by playing fast. Because better catch half his chips than loosing on a bad beat.He got his classic 2nd pair on river."I was Fair Play, i just commented 'Indeed' after this bad beat.I never Insulted him here or later.Belragazo (Paris)below some of the hands i felt frustrated to loose against Fossilman:Hand # 298Belragazo: Jd 9d / FossilMan: 3s 4h / Jozoov : Td Aspreflop: Jozoov: raises 1780 to 2980 , belragazo: calls, FossilMan: callsFLOP: Ts 3c Qd FossilMan: checks, Jozoov: checks, belragazo: checks TURN: 7h FossilMan: checks, Jozoov: checks, belragazo: bets 6000, FossilMan: calls, Jozoov: calls 6000" RIVER: 6d FossilMan: checks, Jozoov: checks, belragazo: checks Jozoov showed [Td As] and won (29040) with a pair of TensComments: "If Fossilman was not Involved in this hand i would have made a strong bet on the flop, and Jozoov would have probably folded"Hand # 299Belragazo: Ah Qd / FossilMan: 4s 6d / RAYNEEPREFLOP: RAYNEE: raises 3600 , belragazo: calls, FossilMan: calls 3600FLOP: Js 3h Th RAYNEE: checks, belragazo: checks, FossilMan: checksTURN: 4c RAYNEE: checks, belragazo: checks, FossilMan: bets 7200, RAYNEE: folds, belragazo: calls 7200RIVER: 3s belragazo: checks, FossilMan: checksFossilMan (button) showed [4s 6d] and won (27900) with two pair, Fours and Threescomments: "Sick"Hand # 377Belragazo(button): 9h 9c / FossilMan(big blind 2000): 7s AdPREFLOP: belragazo: raises 4003 to 6003, FossilMan: calls 4003FLOP: Js Ac 5h FossilMan: checks, belragazo: bets 6321TURN: Th FossilMan: checks, belragazo: checksRIVER: 3d FossilMan: checks, belragazo: checksFossilMan (big blind) showed [7s Ad] and won (27448) with a pair of Acescomments: " This hand really upseted me, how does he always catch his hand?" "belragazo: raises 4003 to 6003FossilMan: calls 4003" Js Ac 5h Th 3d "FossilMan: checks belragazo: bets 6321 " "FossilMan: checks belragazo: checks "Hand # 478Belragazo: Qh Kd / FossilMan(156966 in chips): 8h 8s / nolberto (241904 in chips): Jd Js PREFLOP: belragazo: raises 9000 to 15000, FossilMan: raises 141366 to 156366 and is all-in, nolberto: raises 84938 to 241304 and is all-in belragazo said, "kill him"FLOP: 4c 9s 2d TURN: 6hRIVER: 5h belragazo said, "yes!!!!!!"comments: "Did i show my happiness?" Link to post Share on other sites
HubDub04 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 FIRST. Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 2nd. I'm confused. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 2nd. I'm confused.Clearly he do not go all in before to see the floopMark Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Clearly he do not go all in before to see the floopMarkQuoted for truth.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
therescav 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 5th? LFT Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 2nd. I'm confused.There was a big argument between belragazo and Fossilman during the WCOOP and I gue's he's just here to clear things up. Why here? Don't know. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Do not forget I am a French manThis is where I stopped readingMark Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 If there were ever a thread that needed a bong hits post, this is it. Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Clearly he do not go all in before to see the floopMarkQuoted for Mark.MarkAlso, Link to post Share on other sites
Vick12 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Quoted for Mark.MarkAlso, This thread now delivers!!Mark Link to post Share on other sites
belragazo 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 http://www.pokerlistings.com/more-wcoop-co...eg-raymer-18995 Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I swear to god if someone spells LOSE incorrectly one more time... IM GOING TO FLIP SHIT.LOSE NOT LOOSE... YOU DO NOT LOOSE to a bad beat. Link to post Share on other sites
Young Turk 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 When a 'controversy' produces less ripples in the poker world than the introduction of the 'All-in' chip did at the WSOP ME, you start to wonder whether 'controversy' is an apt description. Trash talk is by no means controversial...especially to a B-List poker player. Link to post Share on other sites
Cappy37 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hand # 298Belragazo: Jd 9d / FossilMan: 3s 4h / Jozoov : Td Aspreflop: Jozoov: raises 1780 to 2980 , belragazo: calls, FossilMan: callsFLOP: Ts 3c Qd FossilMan: checks, Jozoov: checks, belragazo: checks TURN: 7h FossilMan: checks, Jozoov: checks, belragazo: bets 6000, FossilMan: calls, Jozoov: calls 6000" RIVER: 6d FossilMan: checks, Jozoov: checks, belragazo: checks Jozoov showed [Td As] and won (29040) with a pair of TensComments: "If Fossilman was not Involved in this hand i would have made a strong bet on the flop, and Jozoov would have probably folded"So Jozov would have folded to a bet on the flop with 2nd pair and top-kicker, but was more than happy to overcall a strong bet and a cold-call on the turn with 2nd pair and top-kicker? Let's not lose sleep over this missed opportunity. If you got aggressive on that flop, you'd get tested and it looks just as likely it all ends up in the middle due to posturing than you take that flop down without confrontation.And gawd, responding to this lets everyone know I actually sat down and read this closely.. Color me ashamed. Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Clear as mud Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I swear to god if someone spells LOSE incorrectly one more time... IM GOING TO FLIP SHIT.LOSE NOT LOOSE... YOU DO NOT LOOSE to a bad beat. diarrhea? Link to post Share on other sites
DCJ001 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I swear to god if someone spells LOSE incorrectly one more time... IM GOING TO FLIP SHIT.LOSE NOT LOOSE... YOU DO NOT LOOSE to a bad beat. ya your prolly right and there wrong. you win, they loose. Link to post Share on other sites
Canuckickstan 2 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 And because of this he called DN an idiot ??I'm lost.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hand # 299Belragazo: Ah Qd / FossilMan: 4s 6d / RAYNEEPREFLOP: RAYNEE: raises 3600 , belragazo: calls, FossilMan: calls 3600FLOP: Js 3h Th RAYNEE: checks, belragazo: checks, FossilMan: checksTURN: 4c RAYNEE: checks, belragazo: checks, FossilMan: bets 7200, RAYNEE: folds, belragazo: calls 7200RIVER: 3s belragazo: checks, FossilMan: checksFossilMan (button) showed [4s 6d] and won (27900) with two pair, Fours and Threescomments: "Sick"So, you're basically 60/40 preflop, 80/20 on the flop and this is "sick"? I'd like to see people start saving "sick" for say.... 3 outers or less.And gawd, responding to this lets everyone know I actually sat down and read this closely.. Color me ashamed.QFT Link to post Share on other sites
jburn812 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 What just happened? I think I wasted my life clicking on this link. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I am a looser.......... wait loser? looseer//// II????? I'm so confused Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 lol funny thread Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I am a looser.......... wait loser? looseer//// II????? I'm so confusedSoyyyyyy, una perdedor!!! Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 oy vey / Link to post Share on other sites
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