Srsly? (sh) (3/6)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Full Tilt 3/6 NLHE (5-handed)Cobalt $1051SB $600Cobalt is Button w/ A 9 . I haven't been at the table long enough to develop much in the way of reads. I'd just stacked the guy to my left (sitting out) when I got it all-in with a monster draw against his set in a blind-versus-blind situation.Pre-flop:2 folds, Cobalt raises to $20, SB calls, 1 foldFlop ($46): J 9 K (2 players)SB checks, Cobalt checksTurn ($46): 9 (2 players)SB goes all-in for $580, Cobalt ?

[Zach6668 513]

Curious about the flop check.

[boliRC 0]

I see AA here a majority of the time for the villain, also maybe AK.

[trystero 0]

Flop check looks OK. No shame in taking a freebie when you've got a possible 5 outs + those hot bd possibilities. After all we've got a hand with some decent showdown value that cannot sustain a raise, we've got position, and we've also got a rather coordinated board. Turn I muck with no read. Most of the time I expect jacks full or QT to turn up. I suppose sometimes we get lucky and it's a weirdly played KcQc/T9/QdJd/AA. But in spots like this all hands are weirdly played, so you cannot just isolate a monster and say, "only an idiot would play 9s full like this," because only an idiot would play KcQc like this. Or AhAd like this.Now I assume you called and took this down, so I should put villain on a hand...I'll go with AA.

[Royal_Tour 0]

flopped straight with redraws?i dunno, this looks like a misclick to me

[Merby 3]

I just can't see me getting away from this hand, because there is no reasonable way to put the villian on a better hand than me. I have see this done with AA (the villian starts thinking, "oh crap, maybe I've played it too slow, there's too many draws out there, I'll fix that" and pushed allin). Possibly also done with a flopped straight (again played poorly)...I grit my teeth and call.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Full Tilt 3/6 NLHE (5-handed)Cobalt $1051SB $600Cobalt is Button w/ A 9 . I haven't been at the table long enough to develop much in the way of reads. I'd just stacked the guy to my left (sitting out) when I got it all-in with a monster draw against his set in a blind-versus-blind situation.Pre-flop:2 folds, Cobalt raises to $20, SB calls, 1 foldFlop ($46): J 9 K (2 players)SB checks, Cobalt checksTurn ($46): 9 (2 players)SB goes all-in for $580, Cobalt ?

LOL ... OK, I call. That's a ridiculous bet, though.

[Lavitz 0]

Um fold? Less then 10BB in the pot. How are we going broke here with trips? WB/BA situation with nothing in the pot to go broke for. What kind of idiot pushes less then a straight/monster draw here. If he does this routinely then easy call but otherwise with no reads then fold. No reads sucks here.

[Footballguru 0]

lol.......

[David_Nicoson 1]

Um fold? Less then 10BB in the pot. How are we going broke here with trips? WB/BA situation with nothing in the pot to go broke for. What kind of idiot pushes less then a straight/monster draw here. If he does this routinely then easy call but otherwise with no reads then fold. No reads sucks here.

We're about a 70/30 favorite to K Q on the turn, so getting it all-in against a good draw would be a big money maker. Or do you mean he has a made straight and a flush draw?

[Merby 3]

We're about a 70/30 favorite to K Q on the turn, so getting it all-in against a good draw would be a big money maker. Or do you mean he has a made straight and a flush draw?

If he has a made straight then the flush draw doesn't matter. In that case, we would need to boat up, and wouldn't care if he improves to a flush or not.

[pokerplayer24 0]

I probably call. might be a high variance play but im assuming he sucks and ull even see like A10 or something like 44 here on occasion.

[Lavitz 0]

We're about a 70/30 favorite to K Q on the turn, so getting it all-in against a good draw would be a big money maker. Or do you mean he has a made straight and a flush draw?

My main point is that we're risking almost 100BB to win a pot with less then 10BB. We have to be ahead here a LOT for this to be -EV. I feel that we're not ahead nearly enough and when we are he is drawing very live.This is just tough with no reads. His bet makes no sense strategically but the pot is so small that I think I'm going to let him take it right now. If this situation occurs with him in the future then we will have a better read.

[Zach6668 513]

There's not 10 BB in the pot. There's 110 BB.

[Lavitz 0]

There's not 10 BB in the pot. There's 110 BB.

There was 10BB in the pot when he pushed, meaning we have to risk a lot for essentially what was a miniature pot. I realize we're not the ones pushing 100BB into a 10BB pot.

[Zach6668 513]

No.We're risking 100 BBs for a 110 BB pot.I know what your point is, but I don't think it means anything.

[Lavitz 0]

No.We're risking 100 BBs for a 110 BB pot.I know what your point is, but I don't think it means anything.

You're correct. I made a sort of mistake in my original post, making it seem like we have to risk 100BB to win 10 and that isn't correct. Rather, the pot was originally 10BB and he pushed 100BB of his money into it and now we have to risk 100BB of ours to win what was originally a small pot. My point does mean something because if it didn't then I would probably overpush any time I flopped a set/monster on a scary board like this where there are plenty of 2nd best hand. This is basically Smash theory and why it doesn't work is because when you overbet push at higher limits players are smarter and know that people won't bluff 100BB to win 10BB.That is my point. He wouldn't bluff 100BB to win 10BB and now we have to wonder if he is value shoving a hand which we beat. I can't think of many. 910 or 89 maybe? 10Q more often.If he is the type of player to push a bluff then it's too bad for us we have no read on him.

[Zach6668 513]

Yeah ok.But most people aren't going to be shoving 100 BBs into 10 BBs for "value".If they are, then they're probably retarded enough to be bluffing 100 BBs into 10 BBs as well.

[Merby 3]

Yeah ok.But most people aren't going to be shoving 100 BBs into 10 BBs for "value".If they are, then they're probably retarded enough to be bluffing 100 BBs into 10 BBs as well.

LOL so true, I *love* these players! I just watched a guy stack off on the river with 8-high......against two opponents......One of which had bet the river, and the other had quickly called...Whee!

[Lavitz 0]

Yeah ok.But most people aren't going to be shoving 100 BBs into 10 BBs for "value".If they are, then they're probably retarded enough to be bluffing 100 BBs into 10 BBs as well.

Sure, most people don't do it. I agree there. The thinking that this is a bluff though could lead to some hero calls which made Smash theory so profitable in the first place. As a general rule we just shouldn't be paying off these ridiculous overbets with non nut hands. The reason this hand is difficult is because there are perhaps some weaker value hands which we do in fact beat, such as 89 or 910.

[cwik 0]

I am going to try to respond to this post assuming villain is not playing Smash Theory , I apologize if this will de-rail the thread. First off if villain has KK or JJ here he deserves your $600, and while I'd like to think that was impossible, the way he has played this hand... well I suppose you need to leave that window open. 2%You would think QT would want to bet this hand for value, but assuming villain is using some kinda poker logic, I guess he could be thinking: "I wanted to check-reaise the flop. But because cobalt checked behind, he either either as nothing or a BIG hand too slowplay, because he is c-betting here most of the time. If he has noting, I'm not getting any money outta this hand anyways, if it was a big hand, he can't get away" but this doesn't make a whole lot of sense either because cobalts big hand (a set) just caught up. 25%Flush draw, I can see this one. It isn't betting for value, it wants to take the pot down, and doesn't hate to get called here. Still an awful play, but I am seeing this one more. (straight/flush draw?) 30%K9/J9... never 0%KJ... awful, but I guess. 5%AA/AK, 10%9x, strange way to play it, but I can kinda see this one too. 18%Air/misclick 10%LOL, I am call this, I but am sure he has KK here every time.

[mtdesmoines 3]

The reason this hand is difficult is because there are perhaps some weaker value hands which we do in fact beat, such as 89 or 910.

Right, that's why we call. AND the fact that KK and JJ repop us PF and K9 or J9 are relatively unlikely.

[simo_8ball 0]

I'm not folding here.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I don't fold here. It looks more like a misclick than anything. Also, it's unlikely that you have a big hand since you checked that super dangerous flop. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him flip over something which should be winning more often than not after you check that flop (KTo anyone?) that he either thinks he's "protecting" or soemthing that he misclicked with.If he's got QT, we've got 10 outs. If he holds another hand that we're losing to, we'll be lucky to find ourself with 3 outs. I think that there are enough hands (KQcc) that he'll do this with (and we're assuming that these are all real hands, when if he did mislcick, he could have some crap and be drawing dead to us) that will put us ahead more than enough to profitably make this call.

[KramitDaToad 0]

i dunno, this looks like a misclick to me

Strangely enough this was my first thoughtRegardless, I think your ahead more often than not. Call