Royal_Tour 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 So, friday I decided to stay away from the casino and poker for a few days.But there was a 30.00 MTT at a local bar so i decided i'd play in that for fun.Its cheap, stress free. and brush up on my MTT play.24 people showed up, so 3 tables of 8. I made a ton of blind steals, and flop steals. These guys were horrible. when they did hit the flop, they either over bet, or pushed all in. easy pickins.well its final table time. and i'm about 3rd in chips. The chip leader was this wasted moron. who was getting on everyones nerves. he took 3 minutes on every decision.Anyways, this final table had a kid (23ish) who i know from the local casino. He used to be a casino dealer. and now he is pretty much a hustler. he plays poker and pool and works odd jobs. from what he says. But he's very talkative, seems like a good guy. cocky though.But because he used to be a dealer, and the drunk guy cant deal, the table wants him to be a fulltime dealer.he's more than willing, I say "sure why not"it gets 5 handed and the "kid" gets all in and shows AA and doubles up.The table was so slow from the drunk guy that we got 1 rotation in every 15 minutes or so. (5 hands)not too long later the guy directly to the kids left, goes all in, everyone folds. he shows AA.couple hands later., the kid goes to the flop vs another guy who called his raise. ends up going all in. guy folds, and drunk guy grabs the kids hand and says "pocket aces! niiiiice" but the kid takes them back and just deals the next hand.we go on break for 5 minutes.1 rotation when we're back i get 8,8 in BB. Blinds are huge now and its getting push or fold.Kid makes a raise on the button, and I'm ready to call when the drunk guy in sb goes all in.I fold. kid calls.kid shows AA drunk guy shows 2,2AA wins.a few hands later, the guy directly to the dealer kid's right, goes all in preflop. and then shows AA when everyone mucks.thats AA five times 5 handed in a span of 35 minutes.I also never saw 1 ace in my hand the entire time the kid dealt. but the guys directly to his left and right both got AA in this span.The kid was bridging the cards but used a cut card when he made his cuts. He wasnt dealing from the bottom of the deck, but something was up.people were like. wow u dealt yourself AA 3 times, and his response was. "I know, hahahah but honestly, if i could stack the deck, wouldnt i give you KK vs my AA?"Question is, does anyone know if someone can easily cheat with a card cutter on the bottom of the deck??I didnt want to jump to conclusions or call anyone out since i have no idea what to even look for. Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 no real experience w/ mechanics... but if he has dealing experience and something like that happened... I dunno. Seems weird to me. Link to post Share on other sites
rogerwilco 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 people were like. wow u dealt yourself AA 3 times, and his response was. "I know, hahahah but honestly, if i could stack the deck, wouldnt i give you KK vs my AA?"Question is, does anyone know if someone can easily cheat with a card cutter on the bottom of the deck??I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure anything is possible for a skilled mechanic. But that didn't sound like a very smart way to cheat, it looks a little too obvious. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I didnt want to jump to conclusions or call anyone out since i have no idea what to even look for.LOL ... notwantingtojumptoconclusionaments ...Yeah, 90% chance you got jobbed. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 higly suspect Link to post Share on other sites
MasterCye 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 You can deal seconds from the top right? So you can deal seconds from the bottom, it's just a bit more difficult to do and harder to detect. Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Wait a minute... the bar didn't supply dealers? Efff that. No way I'm playing that game. Link to post Share on other sites
GetSprung 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Wait a minute... the bar didn't supply dealers? Efff that. No way I'm playing that game.LOL @ bar poker. I played one bar poker game and was so angry at the horrific dealing that I tilted away my chips. I was on the only one who didn't flash cards or expose burns or other stupid things. God this angers me. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 A guy who used to go to go to the same game I did told me a story once:Casino dealer misdeals somehow or one of the players does something stupid, so the hand is dead. This guy flips over the Ace of spades and groans or something. Dealer gets them all back, reshuffles, and begins again. First card the guy looks down at is the Ace of spades, and looks up to see the dealer winking. Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 LOL @ bar poker. I played one bar poker game and was so angry at the horrific dealing that I tilted away my chips. I was on the only one who didn't flash cards or expose burns or other stupid things. God this angers me.I hear ya. I mean, I'm only one step above a bar poker dealer (dealing in a backroom game), but I take it seriously and try to do a professional job. I'd never play anywhere that didn't have at least a half assed attempt at an unbiased dealer. Link to post Share on other sites
rogerwilco 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 A guy who used to go to go to the same game I did told me a story once:Casino dealer misdeals somehow or one of the players does something stupid, so the hand is dead. This guy flips over the Ace of spades and groans or something. Dealer gets them all back, reshuffles, and begins again. First card the guy looks down at is the Ace of spades, and looks up to see the dealer winking.lol. Whether true or not, that is hilarious. Link to post Share on other sites
Janfor99 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I was playing at 'charity' casino in New Hampshire one time. 10 handed limit game (NL illegal there). And a young kid, a regular and an obv friend of the dealers comes over and sits in seat 10. Well, he proceeds to get KK 3 hands in a row and wins 3 big pots and then leaves the table to go play a sng!!. I'm thinking to myself......hmmm wtf what are the odds of that (and the odds of it holding....lol)? I left and never went back. I'd seen a few other things there too and it all made me think the place was shady. Come to find out that the place was shut down not long after this for not paying rent and NOT paying out the 10k Main event seat prize of the ME satellite mtt they ran! Yikes... Link to post Share on other sites
WowThats 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hard to believe I read the entire post.... not to sure which bothered me more. The player getting AA or the sentence structure. Link to post Share on other sites
DwayneAMania 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I have also heard of dealing seconds and a skilled former dealer prolly could do it very skillfully. And you know what they say, the bigger the lie the more people that will believe it. So being very obvious worked perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites
jethrodull 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 whatever happened to someone other than the player dealer shuffling the deck? I wouldn't ever play a game where the player/dealer is doing all the shuffling and dealing.J Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 whatever happened to someone other than the player dealer shuffling the deck? I wouldn't ever play a game where the player/dealer is doing all the shuffling and dealing.Jmost importantly it sounds like he is cutting himself too. Link to post Share on other sites
daniel mahan 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hard to believe I read the entire post.... not to sure which bothered me more. The player getting AA or the sentence structure.is someone who has been a member for less than a yearreally gonna come and mouthR O ya L????Milestone pst# 100 Link to post Share on other sites
bigbrennan 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 whatever happened to someone other than the player dealer shuffling the deck? I wouldn't ever play a game where the player/dealer is doing all the shuffling and dealing.JWhat we do in self deal gamers here is this:Left of the button shuffles, right of the button cuts and the button deals them out.Results in a fair game, and stops collusion. Link to post Share on other sites
daniel mahan 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 What we do in self deal gamers here is this:Left of the button shuffles, right of the button cuts and the button deals them out.Results in a fair game, and stops collusion.this seems like a pretty good idea if the person to the right HAS to cut. Cause even with doing it ur way the deck is still gonna end up in "the wrong hands" if you will. Cause in our live games there are always people who basically refuse to cut for one reaosn or another. So it seems like a good idea and It would be fair if everyone would agree to it. But I like it, somethign to take into consideration. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I'm sure a skilled dealer could give himself AA under the circumstances, but I'm not sure what circumstances would lead to the players on each side of him getting AA, unless he was dealing two cards at the same time, unless he was doing it himself to defer suspicion.If you think about it - he could've rigged the deck to give himself aces, and just mis-estimated and accidentally dealt it to the guys on either side of him. This is reasonable, but it seems pretty unlikely that they'd get a second ace as well.Seems like there was a solid combination of coincidence and cheating. Link to post Share on other sites
bigbrennan 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 this seems like a pretty good idea if the person to the right HAS to cut. Cause even with doing it ur way the deck is still gonna end up in "the wrong hands" if you will. Cause in our live games there are always people who basically refuse to cut for one reaosn or another. So it seems like a good idea and It would be fair if everyone would agree to it. But I like it, somethign to take into consideration.Yeah it is pretty much standard practice in the UK card rooms, the dealer is allowed no involvement in the shuffling / cutting of the cards.Never seen someone refuse to cut the deck either, so thats all good.Of course it doesn't eliminate the problem of people dealing skills, throwing the cards to high or at an angle so you can get a glimpse of what it is.Not much you can do about that at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Yeah it is pretty much standard practice in the UK card rooms, the dealer is allowed no involvement in the shuffling / cutting of the cards.Never seen someone refuse to cut the deck either, so thats all good.Of course it doesn't eliminate the problem of people dealing skills, throwing the cards to high or at an angle so you can get a glimpse of what it is.Not much you can do about that at all. Pay a dealer to deal. Unless it's some nickel dime on the kitchen table, I'm not playing in a game without an unbiased dealer to run the action. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hard to believe I read the entire post.... not to sure which bothered me more. The player getting AA or the sentence structure.Get off my thread dooshbagis someone who has been a member for less than a yearreally gonna come and mouthR O ya L????Milestone pst# 100meh, theres more important things here. like me getting cheated.anyways, for some of you wondering why he was dealing the whole time. At my previous table, we did switch deals everyhand and did backwards cuts.but at the final table, one guy was really wasted, and this kid was fast. so everyone else was cool with it. i was the only person who thought, this is kinda iffy.When i was finished, i was outside with 1 other player who busted earlier, and said... "you notice how many times AA showed up in that area... meaning the dealer, and 1 spot to his left, and 1 to his right.and his response was... ya thats crazy... i dont think he would cheat though, he seems like a good guy. I didnt even respond after that, these are the people who get sucked in to buying a 500 dollar vacuum from a door to door salesman.I wont be playing anymore of those events Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 alsohere is a video.the kid was shuffling and cutting exactly like in the 1st part of this video Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 For what it's worth, in the last 2 hours I've playeed NLHE on stars (tourneys and cash games) I had AA 7 times. (and I still busted out of the tourney, and lost money at ring) Link to post Share on other sites
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