Vman96

Yes, in general. It literally means you are using all 4 cards from your hand (obviously)...but in PLO8 speak, it usually means you have a strong 2 way hand that uses all 4 cards. The most common example is two pair + nut low. And I agree with checky...play this one hard. Getting scooped out is very unlikely.

Whoops I missed this. Cham is right...if he has raised with air before...then raise away...otherwise call down.

I probably cap the flop for equity sake here. Waiting for the turn to raise isnt that great of an idea from a hand protection standpoint because a nut flush draw is still getting the right odds to call $12 on the turn. Raising the turn from a value betting standpoint is a possibility and is read dependent. I would probably call it down after the cap myself without a read.

In general they aren't...but the extra $7 here may get me to fold. The corrected post is getting you about 2 to 1 on the call. I havent thrown in into the calculator, but I am guessing thats about the price you need to call if you are getting freerolled here by a standard draw (flush or set) because roughly 1/3rd of the time you lose...the other 2/3rds of the time you split, giving you roughly 1/3rd equity. Folding is probably best...but there are much worse folds.

Nope haven't heard it. If this is a limit game, I might have to check it out the next time I get back to St. Louis.

Definitely the best reason to raise this river.as played: Either fold to the flop 3-bet, or call down the whole way and pray he is betting AT. Also, if the other person would have cold-called your raise...fold to the 3-bet. Underfulls blow...avoid them like the plague.Edit: Oh since you raised the turn (why?????) I would fold to the turn 3-bet. Seriously.

You're beating a bluff here...thats about it. Maybe 87543, or 876xx if you are lucky. You have a good redraw, I break it if this guy has shown to be solid.

Doubtful, unless you have a read on this guy. From what I remember this guy doesn't play too much out of line. So I probably break and hope to improve. My guess is he has a pretty good 8 or a weak 7 and wants to get value and thin the field at the same time. Since it's 4 way to the 3rd draw, I would suspect he is doing this with a nine less frequently than normal.

People love these type of draws wayyyyyyyyy too much. Basically if you don't get him to fold, you have a gutshot str8 draw, and thats about it. Maybe you'll be up against a set without a redraw...but even then you arent really loving your hand. You're better off going crazy over top set. Also I think I fold 22xx (where xx is NOT a bigger pair) about 100 out of 100 times preflop. Even bottom set is crap in this game. The only flop you like here is A3x rainbow...so why bother?

For logical scenarios, this is pretty bad. But if you have 2222 and your opponent has AA35, you cant win at all.

I am tighter HU than checky is here and I am still much more aggressive than my avg. opponent. I often play 3 card 7 draws, some 3 card 8 draws...most 2 card 8 draws.

Yeah, cr_123 is uber-aggressive. He probably bleeds a bit from his aggression. Nevertheless, you can virtually guarantee he has a 3 card wheel draw before the first draw. Being out of position I think forces you to toss the 9. For arguments sake lets say he keeps any 8 or lower. How often is he going to fail his draw? Also we can safely assume he will not draw if he does not improve at all going into the third draw. So we get folds roughly (31/47)*(30/46)*(29/45)*(28/44) = 17.6% of the time. So the other 82.4% of the time we are praying our hand holds...(I may do more complicated math

paimei is pretty good. If anything he is too much of a rock. I would say in the top 10% of players. The A train isn't so good if I remember. But this is an easy fold after the 2nd draw, why cold call 2 big bets when you could easily be drawing dead? As played, check/call after 3rd draw against generic opponents. Since paimei bet after 3rd draw and 3 bet after 2nd draw...you probably could safely fold. I say you lose 100% of the time here. He knows not to bet after the 3rd draw w/o a 7 here since his opponent patted.

Well, it probably isnt spewing, but it could get him to break something like 876xx, which you do NOT want. Checky is right about valuetown. If he had 86543 or 86542, thats just unfortunate.Edit: If villain is laggy, then he WOULD bet hands that beat you first. Value bet the last 2 rounds.

Yeah navy is right. Especially since this is a $1000 or $1500 buyin event (i forget), AA anything is going to be a fairly big hand if you are a short stack. AA anything is almost always a coinflip or better even in PLO8, although it will be a slight dog more often due to the hi/lo split nature of the game. AAQ7 badugi is only a 62/38 dog against all possible AA23's. Against non AA hands, AA trash has a better chance of winning. When you are a shortstack, the fact that the low doesn't show up 40% of the time can be your friend.Playing turbo SnG's will help your jamming abilities, thats for

If you are trying to build the lag image and calling preflop raises with 24s...this is all more the reason to call with KK. That dude popping that re-raise on you is probably thinking..."he is reraising with crap", let me isolate him. In this case it was the wrong call, but at least it worked out for ya.

Yeah, definitely toss the 7. 3-bet 1st draw only if you 3-bet EVERY one card draw. This is the worst one card draw you can have. I don't 3-bet every one card draw out of the blinds, so I might opt to call. Yeah, you're drawing 1, but drawing pretty crappy. If you werent in the blinds, I probably muck it, but then again, I am virgin tight...lol

Looks pretty standard to me.

Looks good. Unlucky on the the river.And you DO have a redraw on the turn. Heart flush.

Well said, well said. And this is my line of thinking of drawing to a 7 when getting a pat 87 in a multiway pot that I wrote in the other thread. I am roughly 40% to improve to a 7 in 3 draws. And 15% to get my original draw back. I think in some situations, this is better that being able to fade chasers 55% of the time with the pat 87. And I can bet after the last draw with confidence if I make my 7. Now I can obviously break postdraw against heat alternatively. But...as checky points out, no one breaks at low limits. And from my experience, it's a risky proposition at best to break

This is true, for unbiased results, don't post the result, but as we can see, 95% of us agreed with the play anyway even with the result. And personally, I want to play in a SnG against the guy who disagreed. lol

If schwiggins wasn't drawing 1, I would say stay pat. But with 4 total callers, its going to be very difficult to survive here. You basically know that at least 2 are going to take the 3rd draw. I probably try to improve with my remaining two draws.Edit: Given the results though it looks like you made the right choice....3 folds going into the last draw? That surprised me.

It's after the fact. No way any of the other players would let him commentate during actual live play with seeing their hole cards. If I am wrong, DN should personally correct me...lol

Um yeah, fold the flop after you already have half your stack invested, real smart idea. [/sarcasm] A lot of people will just push top pair here or less. Also since you are betting very small, some opponents may think thats weakness, and they will jam you just to get you to fold, which is exactly what would happen if the OP follows your advice. It is almost impossible to overplay AA at the OP's given stack size.

Do any of you guys just go ahead and break a hand like 87542 from the get go, or even worse 87642? In the lagtard paradise that is Stars triple draw, this move seems to work a lot better especially if there are multiple drawers. Obviously I would just try to ride out a dealt hand like 87543.