Is Collusion Or Chip Dumping Ever Okay?

[SuperJon 175]

Here's the scenario: You and your best friend since childhood are both professional poker players. You both have bankrolls of about $200,000 each. The two of you enter a $2500 NL Tournament at [insert casino of your choice here], where first prize is $800,000.With some luck and skill, the two of you make the final table (you are the chip leader) During the break before play starts, your friend comes to you and says he has something important to tell you. He tells you his 6 year old son is in the hospital and needs an expensive operation otherwise he'll die. The operation is going to cost $725,000 and since he is a professional poker player, he has no health insurance. He asks that at various points at the FT that you dump chips to him until eventually he has all your chips, which might give him a higher chance of winning the tournament and the money for his son's operation. Would you do it?Does the situation make collusion okay, so long as no one else knows?

[ForRealDD 0]

Here's the scenario: You and your best friend since childhood are both professional poker players. You both have bankrolls of about $200,000 each. The two of you enter a $2500 NL Tournament at [insert casino of your choice here], where first prize is $800,000.With some luck and skill, the two of you make the final table (you are the chip leader) During the break before play starts, your friend comes to you and says he has something important to tell you. He tells you his 6 year old son is in the hospital and needs an expensive operation otherwise he'll die. The operation is going to cost $725,000 and since he is a professional poker player, he has no health insurance. He asks that at various points at the FT that you dump chips to him until eventually he has all your chips, which might give him a higher chance of winning the tournament and the money for his son's operation. Would you do it?Does the situation make collusion okay, so long as no one else knows?

He can get a new son for about $20k...no thanks..

[showstopper24 0]

no-tell him to dump you chips, win it, and then give him the money (then he would owe you)

[Abbaddabba 0]

I dont think you understand the point of chip dumping.

[runthemover 39]

first, if you were best friends since childhood it'd be a lot easier to collude and take it down that way.second, would it be ok to do it if you were going to donate it all to charity? no. cheating is cheating. don't take this the wrong way but I think this discussion is very silly

[Wandigo 1]

no-tell him to dump you chips, win it, and then give him the money (then he would owe you)

QFT

[....Ian.... 0]

simple answer: NOive never done it, nor could i think of a time that i would, but if i ever did, id never admit to it.

[_Great_Dane_ 0]

Here's the scenario: You and your best friend since childhood are both professional poker players. You both have bankrolls of about $200,000 each. The two of you enter a $2500 NL Tournament at [insert casino of your choice here], where first prize is $800,000.With some luck and skill, the two of you make the final table (you are the chip leader) During the break before play starts, your friend comes to you and says he has something important to tell you. He tells you his 6 year old son is in the hospital and needs an expensive operation otherwise he'll die. The operation is going to cost $725,000 and since he is a professional poker player, he has no health insurance. He asks that at various points at the FT that you dump chips to him until eventually he has all your chips, which might give him a higher chance of winning the tournament and the money for his son's operation. Would you do it?Does the situation make collusion okay, so long as no one else knows?

Before reading any responses, I'll say that anyone can get health insurance for a price. I wouldn't dump chips. I'd play to win and pay for it myself.

[WallstreetMSU 0]

Before reading any responses, I'll say that anyone can get health insurance for a price. I wouldn't dump chips. I'd play to win and pay for it myself.

Also, any self respecting father would pay the 8k a year for health insurance so that his kid would be protected fromthis kind of stuff..This is a shitty topic.

[showstopper24 0]

Also, any self respecting father would pay the 8k a year for health insurance so that his kid would be protected fromthis kind of stuff..This is a shitty topic.

QFT

[mrdannyg 274]

I dont think you understand the point of chip dumping.

both true and irrelevant, since the answer is no.if a terrorist called you and said "you have to dump your chips to akhbar at the FT, or we'll blow up the country" it still wouldn't be ok./topic

[Coyote18 0]

I'm really glad that good ol' dad is in high stakes poker tourneys instead of buying insurance for his child.

[Entrepeneur 0]

Outside of the obvious..NO!!!1st place $800K2nd place, probably $400K or so.1.2 million top two..You have 400K between you..only need $325 more to pay...Take down the first two places and have plenty left.You'd have 1.6 million between the two of you. Self employed health insurance is deductible (not sure if there's a cap). So paying for the hospital bills would help with taxes.Nevermind..No!!!It's not right..

[Marc-O 0]

if he was your childhood bestfriend and a pro poker player he would know how unacceptable it is for him to tell you this during the break at a FT.... Way to mess up your game and both of you not cash big..

[Abbaddabba 0]

both true and irrelevant, since the answer is no.if a terrorist called you and said "you have to dump your chips to akhbar at the FT, or we'll blow up the country" it still wouldn't be ok./topic

But what if he threatened to do something completely unthinkable like dumping chips to you, if you refused?What would you do then?

[-caveman- 0]

Is robbing a bank OK to pay for your son's operation?How about pointing a gun to the doctor's head and force to give your son the operation for free?What if Labron James was your buddy. Maybe just ask him to point shave a couple of games so you can "earn" the cost of the operation with a few bets?Chip dumping in this case falls in the same category.

[XXEddie 0]

first off, NO!second, who else was surprised to see that when they clicked on this thread, they saw the OP of it had MORE than 100 posts, nonetheless more than 500

[Kid DynOmite 0]

didn't read you post. i only read the title.no. not unless you never get caught, or unless you are playing with pansies that don't care what you're doing. If you're playing with pansies, then the money is not even big enough to do it. NOBODY LIKES THAT GUY WHO USES HAND SIGNALS IN HIS .5 $1 HOME GAME. that guy is a nimrod. dont be that guy

[BeaverStyle 1]

If he really cares about his son, he'll win it, because that's love man, and not even luck can outweigh love.If he doesn't win it, he obviously doesn't love his son, bottom line.And colluding is always wrong, as well as chip-dumping.

[Loismustdie 0]

both true and irrelevant, since the answer is no.if a terrorist called you and said "you have to dump your chips to akhbar at the FT, or we'll blow up the country" it still wouldn't be ok./topic

I actually toyed with a movie script along those lines. There is quite a bit of stuff you could do with that, as far as say ruthless group of fellas take a dudes family hostage and tells him win the main event, or they die. Make it more interesting and have ruthless group of fellas hedge their bets and take more than one family hostage. Would you fold AA with your families life on the line or wait for a better spot? B)

[GWCGWC 83]

Can ChuckSty create a rock that he can't pick up?hmmmmmmmm

[Loismustdie 0]

both true and irrelevant, since the answer is no.if a terrorist called you and said "you have to dump your chips to akhbar at the FT, or we'll blow up the country" it still wouldn't be ok./topic

How about if a terrorist offered to dump to you, for a cut of the profits because he knows he sucks and you rock? I would have to think about it HARD. Like, is he an Eco terrorist or something wimpy like that or a real man terrorist. Seriously, terrorism isn't funny but this topic made me laugh. Mostly because I would do it in a heartbeat if the situation was actually true.

[k-10isnogood 0]

yes dumping to someone your sharing a bankroll with is a good strategy, it about making money and no it is not cheating.

[mrdannyg 274]

But what if he threatened to do something completely unthinkable like dumping chips to you, if you refused?What would you do then?

call my friend reggie kray for some protection.

yes dumping to someone your sharing a bankroll with is a good strategy, it about making money and no it is not cheating.

i hope you're joking, because you are painfully wrong. ok, not painfully, but very much so.

[psujohn 0]

both true and irrelevant, since the answer is no.if a terrorist called you and said "you have to dump your chips to akhbar at the FT, or we'll blow up the country" it still wouldn't be ok./topic

Isn't that sort of the premise of the new James Bond movie? Well, James Bond gets staked by th government to play in a super high stakes game against a terrorist. Or something like that.

But what if he threatened to do something completely unthinkable like dumping chips to you

That's a more interesting question. You're at the FT of a major tournament 3-handed. Doyle Brunson has the chip lead with 1.2 million, you have 800K and your buddy has 400K. At a break he goes up to you and says "Doyle has a read on me or something and I don't like my chances. I'm gonna dump off my chips to you." What do you do? He walks back to the table before you can say "Don't do that."