The Gun Debate

[brvheart 1,752]

Guns are good. Let's ban angry Chinese people.

[Garn 0]

Here is my belief: There should be no gun laws! I feel like if everyone had a gun there would be much less gun violence than there is today. Sure, in the 1st 3 years of this law there would be an hug increse in deats however, after that, I believe that the decline would be astronomical. People would be much less likely to pull a gun on an old woman or in a convenient store, or on a girlf friend if you thought that they were also packing a gun. Also, lets face it, the people shooting other people for stupid reasons will probably be eliminated and that will stop the increase of idiots with arms. That is just my opinon. This is coming from someone who has been around guns and I take proper precautions when using them. I wish that the 95+% of people who use guns correctly were not looked upon as criminals based on what the other 5-% are doing.Thanks

[hblask 1]

If a killer has a gun, I try to run away and he shoots me in the back and I die. If he runs at me with a knife and I outrun him then I survive with only minor injuries. If knives were the main weapon used today and not guns, I'd bet my house there would be more survivors from potential attacks.Guns don't kill people, you're right - people kill people, but guns make the job easier.

Isn't it nice that you like to protect people who can outrun predators. The other 99% probably wouldn't mind some help, too.

[Warpig 0]

can i come over for a beer or two? maybe play with those for an hour or 3?(starts downloading gun pr0n)

Heres the $200 tax stamp that make them legal. The charge for having an unregistered class 3 weapon is tax evasion.

[beans-n-icewater 18]

Heres a link about how to own a legal NFA weapon...Its a fun but addicting hobby, and you get some crazy reactions from people that dont know this at the gun rangeFAQ

[scram 1]

There hasnt been a documented case of a NFA crime (National Firearms Act... a family of weapons that include machineguns, silencers, short barreled rifles, All Other Weapons (cane guns, pen guns, etc), or destructive devices (grenade launchers or weapons with a bore over .5")Acutally, there has been one or two cases by a police officer, but I think they used the departments weapons....

Ugh, you had to open the NFA can of worms Actually, yes, there have been two NFA crimes. One was an Indian expatriate doctor in Ohio who used a M11/9 to wax his wife (in which case, the "machinegunnieness" didn't make a difference, since the same result would've occurred if he had used a skeet gun), and the other was that police officer who used a privately owned MAC to go after a dope dealer. Someone on the "BCR" site mentioned a lawyer who used a MP40 (I think) to rob a casino, but I cannot find the exact case.(FYI- For those of you who are menstruating over his interest in NFA weapons, let it be known that you cannot "walk into a gun shop and walk out with a M16." In addition to being tightly controlled, they're grossly expensive due to market constraints that were created by legislation in the mid 80's. Like, way, way expensive. And has been mentioned- the crime rate with them absolutely non-existent.)What's your arfkom screen name?

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Note to self: Reconsider annexing Beans' house to form my own country.

[Warpig 0]

I want to hear more emotionally-charged rhetoric from the surrender monkeys.

[jmkiser 0]

Damn you, Scram, for pretty much copying everything I just said in my big post that I'm sure no one read!!!!;)Funny how the Libertarians always have the most realistic and logical answers yet no one likes what they have to say because some of their platforms are a bit "too radical".Conservatives (more the religious ones) don't like our secular views, separation of church and state views, drug views, etc.Liberals don't like our limited government views, responsible society views, overall views on inherent freedoms of the people, etc.Every Republican thinks Libertarians are all ACLU loving hippies. I really don't know what Democrats think, but there's got to be some weird reason they don't like us. Probably because a lot of Libertarians are social conservatives.The reality is, should there even be a gun debate? I don't know how anyone can deny that the only thing gun laws are going to do is take the guns out of law abiding citizen's hands. This is not to say that we don't have problems in this country, we do. Prohibition on anything has never been the answer, though. If anything, I BARELY support government regulations, but I do see the point of them in the case of law-abiding citizens. Gun control laws are also not going to make it harder for criminals to get guns. Think of this in terms of drugs. As a law-abiding citizen, you think, well... it's almost possible for me to get drugs. That's because you don't know anyone who sells drugs. If you're a criminal, you can get weed, crack, heroine at any time of the day or night for different qualities, quantities, and price ranges. Why? Because you're a criminal and you know other criminals. If you ban guns in America, why do you think that criminals would be hard pressed to find a couple handguns?The issue is criminal behavior. Crack down on real criminals. I hate television shows like Dateline's predator catching. They're not catching real sexual predators. They are enticing a bunch of men into sex. Just like most sting operations. They aren't catching serious criminals... they're not catching pimps, dealers, etc. They're just enticing people into doing bad things and then arresting them for falling into it. Our jail cells are just full of weak-willed people and drug users who picked the wrong drug (i.e. put down the meth and stick with the cigarettes only). Where are the famous gang busts? Where are the stories about the police breaking up networks of criminals? Why aren't our jail cells filled with SERIOUS problems to society?More government isn't the answer in this situation. You're not going to make anything harder for criminals. If anything, all you're doing is making more crime. More ridiculous crime, too... We'll be fining farmers who still have a few collectible guns just like we have vice squads busting poker clubs in Indiana. It's sick and the pro-government solution needs to stop.

[Jadaki 0]

Also, the comment that guns don't kill people...people do is ludicrous and asinine. Me making a trigger finger motion with my hand won't do a thing, but put a gun in my hand with me making that same motion and someone is getting killed. I have no problems with hunters having rifles and shotguns, but there absolutely no reason for anyone other than military or law enforcement personnel to own pistols, assault rifles, etc.

It takes a person to pull the trigger, guns don't sprout legs and go set up shop in a crowded classroom and shoot until they run out of ammo. It takes a person to make a decision to attempt to take another persons life. I guarantee if I wanted you dead I wouldn't need a gun to do it, but you have a better chance of stopping me from stabbing you in the eye if you have a gun.

[mk 11]

if you aren't hunting for sport, why do you want to own a gun?anyone can answer, i'm genuinely curious.

[scram 1]

if you aren't hunting for sport, why do you want to own a gun?anyone can answer, i'm genuinely curious.

I'd suggest you read the seven pages of this thread. It has been covered exhaustively.

[mk 11]

I'd suggest you read the seven pages of this thread. It has been covered exhaustively.

no, i've read. i didn't really see anyone explaining why they want to own guns. i saw you defend the right to own whatever you want in the name of personal liberty, which is ok, but there is obviously a line to be drawn somewhere. is it really gnawing at you that you aren't legally allowed to possess nuclear weapons?

[mk 11]

and as always, the scientologists have the answers:http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/archiv...h_tragedy.phtml

[7upncider 0]

if you aren't hunting for sport, why do you want to own a gun?anyone can answer, i'm genuinely curious.

I'm not gonna scroll through all of these pages but i said investments and i like collecting them. You know like collecting baseball cards but a little bigger. I buy and sell them with other dealers thats registered its quite profitable if you know what you are doing. So you know hand guns can be used for hunting also. Here is a question i have why would you wanna own your own home? Its an investment in your future right. Its the samething for me the longer i have one kind of gun the value will go up. im done explaining i think we talked about this last night

[mk 11]

ok, so 1 vote for fetish property/investment. i'd imagine this encompasses a small percentage of the population.

[7upncider 0]

ok, so 1 vote for fetish property/investment. i'd imagine this encompasses a small percentage of the population.

another reason is its our american right to own a gun. if we want one we can own one. its right there in the good ole constitution.

[Jadaki 0]

ok, so 1 vote for fetish property/investment. i'd imagine this encompasses a small percentage of the population.

I wouldn't mind owning a gun for recreational purposes (I like shooting ranges/target practice) or home safety, but I've never gotten around to it.

[mk 11]

another reason is its our american right to own a gun. if we want one we can own one. its right there in the good ole constitution.

yes, this was covered previously. the constitution protects the right to bear "arms". what, exactly, is included there, i.e. where do you draw the line for what civilians should be able to own and use? semi-automatics? fully automatics? grenade launchers? mines? nuclear bombs?

[7upncider 0]

yes, this was covered previously. the constitution protects the right to bear "arms". what, exactly, is included there, i.e. where do you draw the line for what civilians should be able to own and use? semi-automatics? fully automatics? grenade launchers? mines? nuclear bombs?

go back a page and read and you will learn about this stuff. by the way if you know anyone with a nuc other then the government i pray you turn them in. nucs are saved for the military here in the good ole usa.

[Jadaki 0]

yes, this was covered previously. the constitution protects the right to bear "arms". what, exactly, is included there, i.e. where do you draw the line for what civilians should be able to own and use? semi-automatics? fully automatics? grenade launchers? mines? nuclear bombs?

Your going from guns right to weapons of mass destruction... little bit of a leap there.

[mk 11]

Your going from guns right to weapons of mass destruction... little bit of a leap there.

i mean, i don't really know my artillery, sorry. what comes after fully automatics?

[LongLiveYorke 38]

i mean, i don't really know my artillery, sorry. what comes after fully automatics?

Not sure, but I'm sure you could draw a continuous line of weaponry from a musket to a nuclear weapon in terms of destructive power.

[Jadaki 0]

Not sure, but I'm sure you could draw a continuous line of weaponry from a musket to a nuclear weapon in terms of destructive power.

And what would it have to do with this discussion? We're talking about easily attainable weapons aren't we? Last I checked you can't walk down to the corner store and pick up a grenade launcher and some ammo... let alone a nuclear device of any sort.I'm sure you could do a little internet research and pick up on how to make a mine though.

[scram 1]

is it really gnawing at you that you aren't legally allowed to possess nuclear weapons?

Biggest red herring of the entire debate.I don't seem to have any trouble distinguishing between weapons that indiscriminately destroy civilizations and ones that push a little piece of metal real fast.Do you?