13CARDS 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Look, I'm not looking for a smarta ss response.My response was in no way meant to be "smart assed". I was trying to answer your question behind the question. If you feel you got a fake bill, let the supervisor/manager/cashier/security guard/local cop know. There are procedures in place for this kind of event. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 My response was in no way meant to be "smart assed". I was trying to answer your question behind the question. If you feel you got a fake bill, let the supervisor/manager/cashier/security guard/local cop know. There are procedures in place for this kind of event.so, what do you think of the chiprunner idea?And what would you do if I came up to you with fake bills that I won? I assume you wouldn't be able to do anything practical in order to exchange those bills into real ones. I mean, the response did seem smarta ss because your response is a very generic one that doesn't really address the issue. You don't think that I could have thought of that? Geez. I'm more interested in the discussion of using chips at the table. Link to post Share on other sites
shrimp4789 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 ive yet to go to Niagara........can anyone tell me about it?Is 1/2NL the lowest? And as people said, its a $100 buy-in......so I know that now.......weekends are the busiest....which are the slowest days?Do they offer SNGs? Or is it only MTTs? Any of the tournaments freezeouts or are all rebuys?Thanks guys Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 ive yet to go to Niagara........can anyone tell me about it?Is 1/2NL the lowest? And as people said, its a $100 buy-in......so I know that now.......weekends are the busiest....which are the slowest days?Do they offer SNGs? Or is it only MTTs? Any of the tournaments freezeouts or are all rebuys?Thanks guys1 2 is the lowest. weekdays are slow I guess but I work so i don't really know.sng's yes but the rake is high and it's a crapshoot. I'll play them to blow some steam. cost around 30 bucks or something like that. No regular Mtt's that I know of. Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 so, what do you think of the chiprunner idea?CN and NFCR don't utilize chip runners as the dealer can sell chips at the table out of the tray. Supervisors can then run the accumulated cash to the cage at any later time. Increasing the cost of running a game (the wage of a chip runner) would only result in eventual increases in rake/session fees. The risk of fake bills in the poker room is no larger than the risk of the casino receiving them on the floor. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 And what would you do if I came up to you with fake bills that I won.Your problem, not mine nor the Casino's. Once you "accept" the cash, it is yours - if fake, you eat it. Generally in the casinos where I play, the Dealer will refuse to touch the cash in play at the table other than to change it into chips. If you do not want cash in your stack, then insist that it be changed into chips before accepting it. Often cash is allowed to speed up play. If I have $500 in chips and someone wants to rebuy for $100, it is easier and quicker to slide him a stack for his cash rather than force the dealer to take time to exchange it. Also, any bills in the dealer ank must be spread and counted every time that there is a dealer change, further slowing down the game. Then when the Dealer bank is refreshed, it is again recounted and replaced with chips - again slowing down the game. Chip runners are fine, but are yet another "tip drain" and I have seen /heard of MANY disputed chip runner transactions. Link to post Share on other sites
shrimp4789 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 1 2 is the lowest. weekdays are slow I guess but I work so i don't really know.sng's yes but the rake is high and it's a crapshoot. I'll play them to blow some steam. cost around 30 bucks or something like that. No regular Mtt's that I know of.and how high you think that is? Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 and how high you think that is?I can't remember exactly but you'll know what I mean when you got there. Online, it's about 10%, live it's at least 20% or probably more for the sng's. But it's fun to shove right off the bat and not care about it. nutbar if you will. I never play those things seriously. The structure is super turbo. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 Your problem, not mine nor the Casino's. Once you "accept" the cash, it is yours - if fake, you eat it. Generally in the casinos where I play, the Dealer will refuse to touch the cash in play at the table other than to change it into chips. If you do not want cash in your stack, then insist that it be changed into chips before accepting it. Often cash is allowed to speed up play. If I have $500 in chips and someone wants to rebuy for $100, it is easier and quicker to slide him a stack for his cash rather than force the dealer to take time to exchange it. Also, any bills in the dealer ank must be spread and counted every time that there is a dealer change, further slowing down the game. Then when the Dealer bank is refreshed, it is again recounted and replaced with chips - again slowing down the game. Chip runners are fine, but are yet another "tip drain" and I have seen /heard of MANY disputed chip runner transactions.I never see people tipping chip runners. Link to post Share on other sites
umop-apisdn 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I think a FCP barrage of some Niagara cash games is warranted... Maybe 13 Cards can get us a mixed game going if we show up with enough Link to post Share on other sites
fleung22 1 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I never see people tipping chip runners.I always tip the chip runner if there is one. It's kind've expected. Link to post Share on other sites
ff7bigfan 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I'm going over to Fallsview tonight, never had problems with fake bills while I've been there, hopefully tonight is the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 I always tip the chip runner if there is one. It's kind've expected.that's what I think too, but from the times I've seen it, people don't tip. I have yet to use one myself as I haven't been to vegas too many times and luckily haven't been felted in a cash game but I usually have some extra chips in my pocket i.e. 25 or 100's to top up if needed. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I never see people tipping chip runners.Then it will be a cost somewhere - rakes, session fees, "gaming experience"......you get what you pay for. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I don't recall seeing cash at the tables in Vegas and I've played at a number of them.Caesar's and the Wynn play moocho cash at $2/5 and above. Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I'm going over to Fallsview tonight, never had problems with fake bills while I've been there, hopefully tonight is the same.How will I know you? Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I think a FCP barrage of some Niagara cash games is warranted... Maybe 13 Cards can get us a mixed game going if we show up with enough I work at NFCR not CN. Link to post Share on other sites
joethepro 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I work at NFCR not CN.which casino is better to play at? i've never played live NL, but i'm planning on going tomorrow. if i go to NFCR, what do you look like? Link to post Share on other sites
goose 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 So that people can circulate their counterfeit money more easily. Link to post Share on other sites
fleung22 1 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 which casino is better to play at? i've never played live NL, but i'm planning on going tomorrow. if i go to NFCR, what do you look like?"better" is in the eye of the beholder but I always goto Fallsview. Bigger, mo' money, mo' huney. Link to post Share on other sites
thehidden 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 "better" is in the eye of the beholder but I always goto Fallsview. Bigger, mo' money, mo' huneyQFT but don't expect good/attractive waitresses, or fast dealers Link to post Share on other sites
Northie 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I almost always go to Niagara, but only because I never play higher than 1-2NL and I hate paying a time charge for those stakes. $10 an hour in rake with a max buyin of $100 is a useless game at Fallsview. You fold for 2 hours and your stack is reduced by 20%. The rake at Niagara at least doesn't force me to play. Link to post Share on other sites
joethepro 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I almost always go to Niagara, but only because I never play higher than 1-2NL and I hate paying a time charge for those stakes. $10 an hour in rake with a max buyin of $100 is a useless game at Fallsview. You fold for 2 hours and your stack is reduced by 20%. The rake at Niagara at least doesn't force me to play.i'm sorry. what is a time charge? like in addition to rake you have to pay money for how long you play too? or is the rake the time charge you're talking about.i'm just an internet player. i might arrive in my pajaymas and my piss bowl.i've spent the day researching about tip and ettiquette Link to post Share on other sites
fleung22 1 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 i'm sorry. what is a time charge? like in addition to rake you have to pay money for how long you play too? or is the rake the time charge you're talking about.i'm just an internet player. i might arrive in my pajaymas and my piss bowl.i've spent the day researching about tip and ettiquette I'm thinkin you might be better off visiting one of my home games unless ur hustling the forum :PBut to answer your question there are 2 common methods that casinos profit from poker rooms.1. Rake - you're familiar with this. a % of each pot is taken is "raked" from the pot. Typically 10% to some max number. at Fallsview only Limit games are charged by rake.2. Session Fee (re: time chage) - This is applicable to all NL games at Fallsview but common in cardrooms. Basically you pay a set amount every 30-minutes instead of the rake. For the 1-2 NLH the session is $5 per 30-min. Link to post Share on other sites
sirphatticus 0 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 i was ELATED when CN got rid of the session fee... yum yum, the 1-2 there is too soft... easy mobneys.how i miss the live NL action at CN Link to post Share on other sites
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