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[mln_falcon 0]

why flat call pre? why not ship the 5 bet?

Because I didn't know he was an idiot, that 4 bet looks really strong. Wanted to get value from QQ and JJ. Then on the flop, the bet didn't make much sense, which is why I called.

[mln_falcon 0]

wee fun hand. He paused for a bit before 4 betting, I tanked, then I searched his name. He was only playing one table, didn't know if that increased or decreased his range, but was happy to gambool with a donk.Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $1/$26 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $760.75UTG+1: $199CO: $253.85Hero: $208SB: $374.10BB: $100Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $8, Hero raises to $24, 3 folds, CO raises to $100, Hero raises all-in $208, CO calls.Flop: ($421, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $421)Turn: ($421, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $421)River: ($421, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $421)Results:Final pot: $421CO showed Ah Kh

[mln_falcon 0]

I'm really really frustrated. Nothing seemed to go right, lost money everywhere. I blame it all on the Mac software earlier, and being an idiot. I should've stopped playing ages ago, but just couldn't stop. down about $800 this evening. lost money at both nl200 and nl100, did some really dumb shit.Edit: I decided no more nl200 until I have at least $7000 in the roll. I will post here when I'm allowed to play. If anyone sees me playing nl200 before then tell me to gtfo. I'm pretty good at that will power thing so it shouldn't be a problem. gogogo 20 buyin upswing.

[NoSup4U 0]

2-5 at Bellagio. I have 700.On the button with Kings.BB limps. He has 1800.CO raises to $20. he has 800.I reraise and make it $100 to go. BB calls. CO calls. WTF?flop is Js-10s-3h. BB asks everyone how much we have.....then checks.CO bets out $50. I am sick about the flop but must be good here and thing I am lookng at a flush draw, A-10, A-J etc.I think about the hand for a good minute and feel I will stack whoever hit 2 pair and shove.BB tanks and folds. CO insta calls and turns over 10's for trips. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!gg me.fuk poker.

You do not have the gift of hand history memory... Do you mean utg limp/called, or did you mean the BB cold called your 3bet? CO's bet of $50 into a $300 pot seems odd? What did you mean that you felt like you'd stack whoever hit 2 pair, you're behind 2 pair!I probably just call down, but I think its hard not to go broke with the pot this big in a 3bet pot. If the bb cold called your 3bet, then I'd be more likely to get away because thats almost always QQ/JJ/TT.Mark

[zimmer4141 0]

why flat call pre? why not ship the 5 bet?

Calling pre >>> 5-betting IMO.If we 5-bet, his calling range is QQ+, AK.If we call, he's probably firing any flop and most flops are very good for us.

[pocktdeuces 0]

why flat call pre? why not ship the 5 bet?

because he can get the guy to commit with AQo that way?

[pocktdeuces 0]

lol just finished a session. played 11,556 hands today! lolol. back to back 10k+ days. over 9k vpp in the last 2 days. 20,025 vpp to go till supernova. looks attainable as of now. and also...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)saw flop|saw showdownSB ($137.05)BB ($220.50)Hero ($282.70)UTG+1 ($97)MP1 ($19)MP2 ($82.30)CO ($62)Button ($150.45)Preflop: Hero is UTG with , . Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, CO raises to $12, 2 folds, BB raises to $32, Hero calls $28, CO raises to $62, BB raises to $92, Hero folds.Flop: ($186.50) , , (2 players)Turn: ($186.50) (2 players)River: ($186.50) (2 players)Final Pot: $156.50Results in white below: BB has As Ad (two pair, aces and queens). CO has Qc Ah (three of a kind, queens). Outcome: CO wins $156.50. weeeeeeeeeeeeee! 2nd time ever folding kk preflop. im sure he had aa the first time also, but this time i actually got proof!

[cubsfan44 0]

Mark how long are you in town for? How does Kaelin like the snow?

[Gary212121 0]

lol just finished a session. played 11,556 hands today! lolol. back to back 10k+ days. over 9k vpp in the last 2 days. 20,025 vpp to go till supernova. looks attainable as of now. and also...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)saw flop|saw showdownSB ($137.05)BB ($220.50)Hero ($282.70)UTG+1 ($97)MP1 ($19)MP2 ($82.30)CO ($62)Button ($150.45)Preflop: Hero is UTG with , . Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, CO raises to $12, 2 folds, BB raises to $32, Hero calls $28, CO raises to $62, BB raises to $92, Hero folds.Flop: ($186.50) , , (2 players)Turn: ($186.50) (2 players)River: ($186.50) (2 players)Final Pot: $156.50Results in white below: BB has As Ad (two pair, aces and queens). CO has Qc Ah (three of a kind, queens). Outcome: CO wins $156.50. weeeeeeeeeeeeee! 2nd time ever folding kk preflop. im sure he had aa the first time also, but this time i actually got proof!

I think the BB is a complete idiot for making it 92 after the CO raise to 62. I guess he just wanted a heads up pot to increase his chances of winning. but if he just calls the 62, you probably come along and stack off on a Q high flop.Edit-- how long is it taking u to play 10k hands in a day? i remember you saying ur 18 tabling or something but it still has to be take a lonnng time.

[RDog 0]

I think the BB is a complete idiot for making it 92 after the CO raise to 62. I guess he just wanted a heads up pot to increase his chances of winning. but if he just calls the 62, you probably come along and stack off on a Q high flop.Edit-- how long is it taking u to play 10k hands in a day? i remember you saying ur 18 tabling or something but it still has to be take a lonnng time.

He was going to sleep when I talked to him this morning.......lol, but I am pretty sure it was a 10 hour session.

[Ex_Matt 0]

raping it up at 50 max. . . why dont I run like this when I play 2/4 @_@PokerStars Game #13901452357: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/12/16 - 14:34:48 (ET)Table 'Marfik V' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ex_Matt ($70.10 in chips) Seat 2: kja04 ($29.50 in chips) Seat 3: trashrocket ($29.50 in chips) Seat 4: piscogay ($49 in chips) Seat 5: JoeFFM ($11 in chips) Seat 6: jghale ($31.70 in chips) Seat 7: ROC MO ($9.75 in chips) Seat 8: pburgh virus ($63.90 in chips) Seat 9: brandon20101 ($114.90 in chips) kja04: posts small blind $0.25trashrocket: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Ex_Matt [7c Ts]piscogay: folds JoeFFM: folds jghale: calls $0.50ROC MO: folds pburgh virus: folds brandon20101: raises $0.50 to $1Ex_Matt: calls $1kja04: folds trashrocket: calls $0.50jghale: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [9d 6h 8d]trashrocket: checks jghale: checks brandon20101: checks Ex_Matt: bets $3trashrocket: raises $5 to $8jghale: folds brandon20101: folds Ex_Matt: raises $11 to $19trashrocket: raises $9.50 to $28.50 and is all-inEx_Matt: calls $9.50*** TURN *** [9d 6h 8d] [5h]*** RIVER *** [9d 6h 8d 5h] [Kc]*** SHOW DOWN ***trashrocket: shows [Ad 8c] (a pair of Eights)Ex_Matt: shows [7c Ts] (a straight, Six to Ten)Ex_Matt collected $58.25 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $61.25 | Rake $3 Board [9d 6h 8d 5h Kc]Seat 1: Ex_Matt (button) showed [7c Ts] and won ($58.25) with a straight, Six to TenSeat 2: kja04 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: trashrocket (big blind) showed [Ad 8c] and lost with a pair of EightsSeat 4: piscogay folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: JoeFFM folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: jghale folded on the FlopSeat 7: ROC MO folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: pburgh virus folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: brandon20101 folded on the Flop

[Napa_Don 688]

raping it up at 50 max. . . why dont I run like this when I play 2/4 @_@PokerStars Game #13901452357: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/12/16 - 14:34:48 (ET)Table 'Marfik V' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ex_Matt ($70.10 in chips) Seat 2: kja04 ($29.50 in chips) Seat 3: trashrocket ($29.50 in chips) Seat 4: piscogay ($49 in chips) Seat 5: JoeFFM ($11 in chips) Seat 6: jghale ($31.70 in chips) Seat 7: ROC MO ($9.75 in chips) Seat 8: pburgh virus ($63.90 in chips) Seat 9: brandon20101 ($114.90 in chips) kja04: posts small blind $0.25trashrocket: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Ex_Matt [7c Ts]piscogay: folds JoeFFM: folds jghale: calls $0.50ROC MO: folds pburgh virus: folds brandon20101: raises $0.50 to $1Ex_Matt: calls $1kja04: folds trashrocket: calls $0.50jghale: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [9d 6h 8d]trashrocket: checks jghale: checks brandon20101: checks Ex_Matt: bets $3trashrocket: raises $5 to $8jghale: folds brandon20101: folds Ex_Matt: raises $11 to $19trashrocket: raises $9.50 to $28.50 and is all-inEx_Matt: calls $9.50*** TURN *** [9d 6h 8d] [5h]*** RIVER *** [9d 6h 8d 5h] [Kc]*** SHOW DOWN ***trashrocket: shows [Ad 8c] (a pair of Eights)Ex_Matt: shows [7c Ts] (a straight, Six to Ten)Ex_Matt collected $58.25 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $61.25 | Rake $3 Board [9d 6h 8d 5h Kc]Seat 1: Ex_Matt (button) showed [7c Ts] and won ($58.25) with a straight, Six to TenSeat 2: kja04 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: trashrocket (big blind) showed [Ad 8c] and lost with a pair of EightsSeat 4: piscogay folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: JoeFFM folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: jghale folded on the FlopSeat 7: ROC MO folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: pburgh virus folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: brandon20101 folded on the Flop

I'm no cash game expert by any means, but this can't be a profitable call, even on the button, in the long run...maybe that's why you run like shit in the higher limits? IDK, JMO.

[RDog 0]

I'm no cash game expert by any means, but this can't be a profitable call, even on the button, in the long run...maybe that's why you run like shit in the higher limits? IDK, JMO.

[HoosierAlum 0]

I need 1050 on UB...pm me if you can help me out

[cubsfan44 0]

Anyone have a problem with this?No read on 3 bettor org raiser is 36/12 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($25.15)MP ($57)Button ($63.45)SB ($64.35)Hero ($104.90)Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A. 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, SB raises to $6, hero folds,

[zimmer4141 0]

Anyone have a problem with this?No read on 3 bettor org raiser is 36/12 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($25.15)MP ($57)Button ($63.45)SB ($64.35)Hero ($104.90)Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A. 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, SB raises to $6, hero folds,

Yeah, this is waaaay too nitty IMO. I'm either calling or 4-betting and calling a shove. If the original raiser is that loose, SB's 3-bet range should be pretty wide, AK definitely crushes that range.

[Ex_Matt 0]

I'm no cash game expert by any means, but this can't be a profitable call, even on the button, in the long run...maybe that's why you run like shit in the higher limits? IDK, JMO.

Calling a min raise OTB is not profitable??Anyone else agree with this?

[cubsfan44 0]

Yeah, this is waaaay too nitty IMO. I'm either calling or 4-betting and calling a shove. If the original raiser is that loose, SB's 3-bet range should be pretty wide, AK definitely crushes that range.

Looking back I agree. My reasoning was that org raiser while loose overall is fairly nitty with preflop raising meaning while he is likely behind AK he more then likely has a hand here. The 3 bettor had just sat, bought in for a full buyin and 3 bet oop from the SB his 2nd hand. Meaning to me that he is less likely to be 3 betting lite or bluffing. I felt like I was racing here best case scenerio. But yeah most of the time I raise here, as a matter of fact I dont think ive ever laid down AK to this little of action before. Thanks Zim

Calling a min raise OTB is not profitable??Anyone else agree with this?

IMO with that hand calling from the button is not good. If you want to play that hand otb id reraise with it.

[Ex_Matt 0]

I just went on a sick 10minute rush where i took 4 buyins at 50max in about 10minutes. I played the hands pretty wrecklessly because I was raising almost every pot and hitting. 1st hand, is this shove bad?? I have this guy on mega tilt and i'm sure he calls with any draw, or 2nd pair even. Not to mention its Bill Fillmaff's signature hand. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP ($50)CO ($118.35)Button ($60.95)Hero ($106.50)BB ($46.10)UTG ($118.40)Preflop: Hero is SB with K, J. 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold.Flop: ($6.50) 2, J, 9(3 players)Hero bets $3, MP raises to $11, Button folds, Hero raises to $81.5, MP calls $37 (All-In).Turn: ($102.50) Q(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($102.50) T(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $102.50Seat 1: Loc0Loc0 mucked [Ah As]Seat 4: Ex_Matt (small blind) showed [Kd Jh] and won ($99.50) with a straight, Nine to King

[Ex_Matt 0]

2nd hand. This was just a great flop for me. I'm wondering if I bet this properly, if anyone woulda played it different / more conservatively.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)Button ($55.40)SB ($56.95)Hero ($172.50)UTG ($45.35)MP ($97.90)Preflop: Hero is BB with , . UTG posts a blind of $0.75. UTG (poster) checks, MP raises to $1.5, Button calls $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, UTG folds.Flop: ($5.50) , , (3 players)Hero checks, MP bets $3, Button folds, Hero raises to $11, MP calls $8.Turn: ($27.50) (2 players)Hero bets $15.5, MP calls $15.50.River: ($58.50) (2 players)Hero bets $15.5, MP calls $15.50.Final Pot: $89.50Seat 4: Ex_Matt (big blind) showed [8d 2s] and won ($87.50) with two pair, Eights and DeucesSeat 6: Salomonsson mucked [9s 7s]

[Ex_Matt 0]

This happened immediately after the 8 2 hand. Pretty much plays itself out. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)MP ($53.90)Button ($56.70)Hero ($216.50)BB ($44.60)UTG ($54.40)Preflop: Hero is SB with , . UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.50.Flop: ($9.50) , , (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Hero raises to $11, UTG calls $7.Turn: ($31.50) (2 players)Hero bets $16, UTG raises to $38.9, Hero calls $22.90.River: ($109.30) (2 players)Final Pot: $109.30Results in white below: UTG has As 3c (two pair, aces and kings). Hero has Ac Kc (full house, kings full of aces). Outcome: Hero wins $109.30.

[zimmer4141 0]

Matt, why are you asking for serious advice on hands at 50max where it's obvious you are just screwing around and playing way looser than you normally would.

[cubsfan44 0]

Matt all 3 are pretty bad1st hand. Dont ever call outta the SB with KJ 3 bet or fold<------almost always this2nd hand. fold 82 preflop. Youre not getting odds to play that shitty of a hand.3rd hand. 3 bet to $6 or $7. Bet about 3/4 of pot on flop. Its good that you are winning right now, Matt. But it wont last if you continue to make -ev plays.

[Ex_Matt 0]

Matt, why are you asking for serious advice on hands at 50max where it's obvious you are just screwing around and playing way looser than you normally would.

I went on a heater and pissed a lot of it away so I'm trying to play with better BR management. I dunno if its looser than I normally would. I'm a pretty LAG player. Have you ever played with me? I dont think you can comment on if I'm a loose or tight playerThe first hand I wouldn't of played it that way @ different stakes i'll admit that though. But to answer your question, I'm looking to improve my game and try to keep it consistent.

[Napa_Don 688]

Calling a min raise OTB is not profitable??Anyone else agree with this?

I agree calling a min raise OTB can be profitable, but not with 10-7o, but I'm just a tourney donk trying to learn cash games so I must not be on your level of meta-thinking yet. It's obvious now that you are the far superior player here and probably have never gone broke.Good luck.