SilentSnow 1 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Good point. If Neteller shuts down, traffic will be way lower. The people who really want to play (winning players mostly) will find a way. People who play casually, who knows.If the casual players leave, most of the winning players will become net losers. Poker is a negative sum game. Only a very small fraction of the players at any time can win a decent amount of money. Every fish that leaves reduces the profit pool for everyone else. Based on the average American's acceptance of anything the government does, this seems like it might be the beginning of the end of United States online poker, if it hasnt started already.It's possible that this is just a temporary blip, but I think that anyone who plays poker for a living had better start figuring out what their backup plan is just in case. Link to post Share on other sites
WaLdOrFiAn 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Ok... this is what i think of the whole situation.The two arestees deserved to get arrested. They did provide money laundering for millions of people. Just becuase you arent a criminal that used neteller to launder money doesnt mean it didnt happen. And if you think our govt is going to far to crackdown on online gambling you are wrong. They are looking out for our country. What yall do not understand is that we are giving our money to other countries and not paying taxes to our own country. That hurts our country economically. We all know that our politicians have it in with our casinos that want to eventually take over the online gambling scene, but is that so bad??? Atleast we will be putting our money back into our own country and creating more jobs for our own people. The only downfall is that you will be monitored more and you wont be able to skip out on taxes that most people dont report to the irs. I love to play poker but after seeing so many people on the forums crying about "online poker" being taken away and not your freedoms then maybe it will be a good thing to get rid of it for awhile so all of yall can reevaluate your life and your values..... you should be outraged at the fact that your freedoms are being taken away and not that you cant play online poker.... you are addicted if you think that way and you need to quit losing your money Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Ok... this is what i think of the whole situation.The two arestees deserved to get arrested. They did provide money laundering for millions of people. Just becuase you arent a criminal that used neteller to launder money doesnt mean it didnt happen. And if you think our govt is going to far to crackdown on online gambling you are wrong. They are looking out for our country. What yall do not understand is that we are giving our money to other countries and not paying taxes to our own country. That hurts our country economically. We all know that our politicians have it in with our casinos that want to eventually take over the online gambling scene, but is that so bad??? Atleast we will be putting our money back into our own country and creating more jobs for our own people. The only downfall is that you will be monitored more and you wont be able to skip out on taxes that most people dont report to the irs. I love to play poker but after seeing so many people on the forums crying about "online poker" being taken away and not your freedoms then maybe it will be a good thing to get rid of it for awhile so all of yall can reevaluate your life and your values..... you should be outraged at the fact that your freedoms are being taken away and not that you cant play online poker.... you are addicted if you think that way and you need to quit losing your moneyI'm glad you like living in a facist state where the gov't gets to make decisions for you...If the gov't was looking out for the country's finances, why wouldn't they regulate it, let harrah's or one of the vegas hotel consortium's run it, like they're BEGGING the gov't to let them do. This is a moral decision by you gov't and will work out as well as Prohibition did. 50 years from now, people will look back at this episode and laugh. The government refuses to learn the lesson that you can't really keep people from doing what they want to do. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 why are you guys worried about neteller? american idol's on. suckers. Link to post Share on other sites
WaLdOrFiAn 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 actually you can keep people from doing what they want..... democracy is still a new concept in the world.... other than athens every country/empire since the beginning of civilization to a few hundred years ago were ruled by an empire, monarch, king, etc..... Link to post Share on other sites
StrippersNBlow 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 AbsolutePoker just shut Neteller transactions down within the last 30-45 minutes...literally.I requested a withdrawal from AP to Neteller earlier, and it just went through and is in that account(6:39CST). Instacash isn't available as a deposit option anymore(as stated). But regular deposits are still an option from what it looks like. Link to post Share on other sites
WaLdOrFiAn 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 actually you can keep people from doing what they want..... democracy is still a new concept in the world.... other than athens every country/empire since the beginning of civilization to a few hundred years ago were ruled by an empire, monarch, king, etc..... Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Poker is a zero sum game.FYP Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 FYPummm rake???nice try, though. Thanks for playing. Link to post Share on other sites
SilentSnow 1 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 FYPI really wish it were zero sum.Unfortunately, by far the biggest winner in any poker game is whoever collects the rake.This makes poker a significantly negative sum game. The degree of negativity depends on the skill difference. If the opponents were very evenly matched, it would be just about impossible to win with low-stakes rakes. Link to post Share on other sites
ScreenDreams 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Neteller has begun denying transactions from US bank account(Instacash).Is there any other method anywhere on the net where I could make a insta-cash for 3k+? Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Is there any other method anywhere on the net where I could make a insta-cash for 3k+?paypal it to me...i'll deposit it in pokerstars and transfer to you... Link to post Share on other sites
Teck_72 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Sooo....Since bodog does their Instant check option through netteller, does that mean that it will be gone too?fack. Link to post Share on other sites
ScreenDreams 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 paypal it to me...i'll deposit it in pokerstars and transfer to you...pay-pal takes 3-4 buis days. It would be the same thing as if I were to make a eft deposit on neteller. Any other option available? Link to post Share on other sites
NicksDad1970 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I love poker. I play it online.... I wish we could have it forever. ButIsn't one of the things the govt is trying to do is stop the money laundering for terrorism? It does seem pretty easy for them to transfer money. I dunno but wouldn't it be easy to deposit money via Neteller to Full Tilt then transfer the money to the other fella on Full Tilt then they take that money from FT to Neteller then cash out?If it wasn't for stuff like that it would be harder wouldn't it?Please keep in mind I don't like what they're doing but it is kind of easy to do some of that laundering.Isn't it or would it be just as easy to do it w/o stuff like that? Link to post Share on other sites
alanstats 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 The poker sites will have to cut their rake and sell advertising, or action will dry up in a hurry. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I love poker. I play it online.... I wish we could have it forever. ButIsn't one of the things the govt is trying to do is stop the money laundering for terrorism? It does seem pretty easy for them to transfer money. I dunno but wouldn't it be easy to deposit money via Neteller to Full Tilt then transfer the money to the other fella on Full Tilt then they take that money from FT to Neteller then cash out?If it wasn't for stuff like that it would be harder wouldn't it?Please keep in mind I don't like what they're doing but it is kind of easy to do some of that laundering.Isn't it or would it be just as easy to do it w/o stuff like that? REGULATEProblem solved. Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 REGULATEProblem solved.I think that's what I meant when I said they should regulate it.the UK has... Link to post Share on other sites
blacktie31 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 just got the message no instacash on pstars too, although you can still do the normal deposits/buy ins Link to post Share on other sites
StrippersNBlow 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I love poker. I play it online.... I wish we could have it forever. ButIsn't one of the things the govt is trying to do is stop the money laundering for terrorism? It does seem pretty easy for them to transfer money. I dunno but wouldn't it be easy to deposit money via Neteller to Full Tilt then transfer the money to the other fella on Full Tilt then they take that money from FT to Neteller then cash out?If it wasn't for stuff like that it would be harder wouldn't it?Please keep in mind I don't like what they're doing but it is kind of easy to do some of that laundering.Isn't it or would it be just as easy to do it w/o stuff like that?Terrorists on a shoestring budget. There's actually people out there that think this. I'm shocked. I always though it was purely a scare tactic used to push forward other agendas. Shuffling around money like that wouldn't draw flags from a site? You think terrorists are taking time off in between plots to play online poker so their transfers look legit? Wow. Just wow. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 And if you think our govt is going to far to crackdown on online gambling you are wrong. They are looking out for our country. What yall do not understand is that we are giving our money to other countries and not paying taxes to our own country. That hurts our country economically. We all know that our politicians have it in with our casinos that want to eventually take over the online gambling scene, but is that so bad??? Atleast we will be putting our money back into our own country and creating more jobs for our own people. The only downfall is that you will be monitored more and you wont be able to skip out on taxes that most people dont report to the irs.This seems to imply that giving money to the federal gov't is good for the economy. Hah hah hah ha ha haThat's a good one. Seriously, back to real discussions. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I love poker. I play it online.... I wish we could have it forever. ButIsn't one of the things the govt is trying to do is stop the money laundering for terrorism? It does seem pretty easy for them to transfer money. I dunno but wouldn't it be easy to deposit money via Neteller to Full Tilt then transfer the money to the other fella on Full Tilt then they take that money from FT to Neteller then cash out?If it wasn't for stuff like that it would be harder wouldn't it?Please keep in mind I don't like what they're doing but it is kind of easy to do some of that laundering.Isn't it or would it be just as easy to do it w/o stuff like that?This is not a serious issue. It may be what the politicians will claim, but it's ridiculous. Transferring money via online poker is not a very efficient way to launder money. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 edit: wait, i don't care. Link to post Share on other sites
WaLdOrFiAn 0 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 This seems to imply that giving money to the federal gov't is good for the economy. Hah hah hah ha ha haThat's a good one. Seriously, back to real discussions.yes putting money back into your own country is a much better idea than giving it to other countries.... especially when some of those countries are enemies of ours..... Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 huh, that's so weird i didn't even realize that rake was inherent in the game.(s/w)please stop trying to be funny...It's not 'your thing'Just trust me on this one. I'm sure you're a nice person with friends and other skills. Just don't do funny. Link to post Share on other sites
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