Jamie Gold Vs. Cunningham...wsop Final Table

[Lynbrook 0]

Time out Cunningham not a great player. Who is a great player then? YOu have got to be kidding! Wasn't he the WSOP player of the year? My goodness ignorance is bliss!

Quoting the wrong guy. I never said he wasn't great.

[Dogpatch 2]

What is the strat forum?

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...hp?showforum=61Not sure if you were being serious or not, but there ya go.

[nomadicpro 0]

doesnt Seidel have 5 WSOP bracelets?

I think its seven (lol)Allen is a great player, I don't think he played perfect poker at the final table but who does.But Allen is prob top 10 NLHE turney players in the world, surely top 50.He does seem a bit friuty though.Allen Cunningham, Daniel Negreanu, John Juanda, and Phil Ivey came up in the ranks helping each others game out. All three of them say Allen is the best. What's *****ing with that?!?

[nomadicpro 0]

Don't forget as the main event was winding down, they would come back from a commercial break and Allen would have increased his stack by 50%. I KNOW he was picking up a lot of small pots. Thats what the greats do.

[petersun 0]

Yeah but he let Gold get there. He had top pair (J) and an 8 kicker and either checked or bet small. But what gets me is I've read somewhere that Gold was kind of dissing Cunningham. Cunningham was the only player who figured out what Gold had when he talked!

I think you could tell from the TV action that Cunningham was playing very carefully and conservatively against the chip leader Gold. I think in general, he wanted to keep posts small when his edge was not huge. I can also see him trying to trap Gold because of Gold's occassional overbet steals. Although I am fairly sure he wasn't trapping with this particular hand.

[TCTC 0]

Ahhh the morning or should I say the afternoon after a night of too much spiked eggnog!!!!! Nothing like 15 hours in bed to cure it.To all the posters that responded to my post in this thread. I appreciate the fact that agreed and disagreed with my comments and spent the time to explain why. Perhaps I shouldnt have posted at all, but I was had just gotten home and was trying to kill some time before bed. I just grew frustrated with some of the BS is all. Like I said, it was just a small percentage of BS like usual, but for some reason it aggravated me.I understand we all post some worthless stuff, myself included. Its just that I like to come online and the 2 sites I visit to unwind are either cnnsi.com, which is the Sports Illustrated site, and then this site. I only read the General forum on this site because I am just looking for poker related topics, but nothing really strategy related. Or maybe after 2 or so years I have just gotten use to the posters in General, uuuggggghhhhh.....lol.....This comment is mainly to Jeepster. I didnt mention names in my post, but you were one of the guys that I was referring too. I appreciate the fact that you responded to my post in the perfect way. You disagreed with me and you patiently explained why and that is why I am still reading this forum after all these years. Even though the frustration with all the BS gets to me at times, I enjoy the debates. Its great when a person disagrees with something and then intelligently explains why. Not that you need me to say nice job, but I am anyway.I will end this post saying that I wish I didn't vent, but I am glad to hear the responses to my post. Makes me glad to want to try to post more often and contribute more. To TB17, I will end this post and then I will post again to tell you my opinion regarding Allen CunninghamTCTC

[Lynbrook 0]

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...hp?showforum=61Not sure if you were being serious or not, but there ya go.

haha...sorry, didn't realize you meant strategy. Thanks.

[TCTC 0]

My opinion on Allen Cunningham (AC), is based on playing with him in the PL game at Hollywood Park from about '97 until the early 2000's.....Alot of the younger guys on here might not now it, but back in the 90s before the internet pokker boom there where no PL or NL games to be found anywhere. I am only in my 30s, and being a poker player now feels like being spoiled.Back in the 90's the only place in LA, Vegas, AC, or Foxwoods that had a regular NL or PL holdem game was Hollywood Park. Yes, Hollywood Park, as hard as that is to believe considering what a beauty of a casino it is today. Limit holdem was the only holdem game that you could find back then. Back then????????? Geezus it was 5-10 years ago, not like it was traveling the circuit back in Texas with Doyle and the gang, lol. Its just funny how the "old" days where just a few years ago.The only reason Hollywood Park had a regular game was due to the hard work of its PL/NL host, Jim Delaney, whom I believe is the NL host at the Commerce. I haven;t played in LA in a feww years so I don;t know if he is still at the Commerce, but he was the reason that Hollywood Park had the game in the late 90s.Hollywood Park had a bunch of players back in the late 90s that would make a name for themselves during the poker boom, one of them being Allen Cunningham. He was already a name player before the TV boom to the regular pros, even before his tournament success.I know some of you posted his tourney winnings from the Herndon mob site at all and have seen him on the TV tournaments. Those are incredibly impressive stats, but when I said you could tell he was destined for poker greatness when he was only 19 or 20, I had no knowledge of his tourney prowess and I am not even sure he played in tourneys then because he was in fact underage. I was basing my opinion on his cash game skills.As one poster asked, did AC just have the "it" factor. Sure thats part of sensing greatness, some people in every field just have the "it" factor. But with AC it was alot more than that.After years of playing against him I think his cash game skills are incredible. Even in the late 90s every player in that PL/NL game was always willing to back AC in any game he wanted to play. Whether it was 150-300 or whatever the highest limit game was at the moment. Today 150-300 may not seem like much, but just a few years ago it was alot higher than it is today. The limit could've been 1k-2k or whatever and we all wouldve still been willing to back AC. So, its not something that being the incredible talent agent that I am spotted and I am being sarcastic, but it was something we all saw in AC.This was a kid that never said a word at the table. He just sat there totally focused and soaked it all in. He never and I mean never "steamed" at the table no matter how bad a beat he took or how much he lost. He just understood the game and how it should be played. Whenver AC would have a conversation with you, you just knew he respected the game and had such a high understaning of what it took to be successful. You knew he was dedicated to becoming the best at it and he has in my opinion. Not just in cash game, but obviously on the tournament circuit as well. How many players can be considered one of the best at both tourneys and cash games?The other think with AC is he absolutely deserves all of the success that he has achieved. He is a genuinely nice guy and works his azz off. I think he would help anyone that asked.One more interesting story about AC. Back in the summer of '97 there was a big game at Hollywood Park for about 2 weeks or so. The PL game had 3 "shiekhs" from Saudi Arabia show up almost every night at around midnight to play PL/NL. ALl I can say is that back then it was an insane game and was a blast to play in. These 3 sheikhs, a Prince, his son, and cousin had to have an entourage of 10 bodyguards that would just keep taking out 10k rolls of hundreds out of a suitcase everytime one of them would go bust. And one of them kept going bust every round it seemed.I could go into story-telling about the sheikhs and some other games that took place, but I dont want to bore everyone and put you all to sleeep.The reason I brought the sheikhs up is to make another point about AC. In that game the other 5-7 of us that would play each took about 10% of each other so that we could lower the incredible monetary swings. It wasnt like it was us 5-7 vs the sheikhs, there was no collusion going on, but we simply couldnt match their bankroll without taking a piece of each other. These guys dropped several hundred thousand while they were there and none of us wanted to get wiped out with one bad night, so taking pieces of each other eliminated this worry.Allen Cunningham was around at that time, but he never played vs the sheikhs even once. Even though we all wouldve been willing to bankroll him to play in the game, he never played. This is another reason that you could see how serious AC took poker. I think he didnt play for several reasons. I dont think he wanted to attract anymore attention since he was underage. I also think he wanted to make sure he didnt go bust. Even with us taking peices of the other players in the game it was still possible to go bust unless you had the proper bankroll. I think AC figured he was doing just fine grinding out the smaller wins in the regular PL game and he probably didnt see any reason to take the risk of going bust. I dont know to many 19 or 20 year olds that have that kind of discipline to do that and for those of you that do, then you are way ahead of the game. I mean it was "easy" money, but he didnt jump in and I give him credit for that. I know at 19 or 20 I wouldve jumped into the game just for the action and the incredible sum of money that could be won. But AC he took the slower and more cautious route and it was the smart move.It allowed him to slowly build up his bankroll while he was underage and he soaked up all the poker information that he could at that age and then when he turned 21 he let it rip and he has never looked back. But you could see it at 19 or 20 based on his incredible table demeanor, patience, discipline, skill, talent, and ability not to steam. He really had it all. Too see him excelling on the tournament trail is no surprise at all. He will always excel at poker, cash games or tourneys. He is one of the few that has the whole package and he has the ability to see the big picture and it worked out great for him.Well last night was spiked eggnog with the family, now its time for the x-mas card game with the buddies flying in from all over the country to get together for the annual poker/drinkfest.Last night of being unresponsible then its back to the daily grind, lol.I havent re-read my post, but if there is anything that someone wants me to clarify then I will be happy to do so tomorrow afternoon.Enjoy the night,TCTC

[logic411 0]

Just gotta say it, TCTC your posts were an absolute breathe of fresh air. They were insightful and an actual pleasure to read. Thank you. Let's hope it inspires others to post to such a high degree. Nuff Said.

[TB17 0]

How come you guys let him play if he was underage?

[mcpickl 0]

Gold over bet the hand trying to induce a call and knock out Cunningham...While I agree Cunningham is a good (not great) player...he got worked in the final table..after seeing the final table numberous times, nothing....and I mean nothing will change my mind..

thats ridiculous

[Lynbrook 0]

Just gotta say it, TCTC your posts were an absolute breathe of fresh air. They were insightful and an actual pleasure to read. Thank you. Let's hope it inspires others to post to such a high degree. Nuff Said.

I agree 100%. This is the type of post that you can learn something from. I spent the entire summer at the WSOP and never once even nodded at the guy. Many pros were super nice, very few were kinda mean and there were very few that just kept to themselves. Ivey, and Cunningham are the two that come to mind. I'm glad I know a little more about him now.

[king_tanner 84]

Just gotta say it, TCTC your posts were an absolute breathe of fresh air. They were insightful and an actual pleasure to read. Thank you. Let's hope it inspires others to post to such a high degree. Nuff Said.

So what's the next step? Are you going to ask him out or what?

[logic411 0]

So what's the next step? Are you going to ask him out or what?

What I said about TCTC........Take that and completely reverse it and you will then have my comments towards you. Not even worth the time. Great contribution though, quite funny, entertaining and pertinent.

[Lynbrook 0]

So what's the next step? Are you going to ask him out or what?

I think what Logic is trying to say is he appreciates posts that inform and make you think. Not the type of posts that just try to create (borrowing a word here) clutter. Not that I have to speak for him.

[Actuary 3]

I, too, appreciate TCTC attempts at civililty and information.If someone has the cliff notes, I'll appreciate it even more.more posts from TCTC would be +EV.

[Mercury69 3]

Gold is a retard and going all in proves it.

[Jeepster80125 0]

I, too, appreciate TCTC attempts at civililty and information.If someone has the cliff notes, I'll appreciate it even more.more posts from TCTC would be +EV.

Sure.CLIFF NOTES:Be nice.I don't like flames, no matter how light hearted they are.kthx.

[king_tanner 84]

I think what Logic is trying to say is he appreciates posts that inform and make you think. Not the type of posts that just try to create (borrowing a word here) clutter. Not that I have to speak for him.

Yea essays on why people shouldn't flame others are really informative.... and they make me think. I thought the AC post was cool, but the other one I got a good laugh out of. I would have responded to it but Jeepster did it for me.

[king_tanner 84]

What I said about TCTC........Take that and completely reverse it and you will then have my comments towards you. Not even worth the time. Great contribution though, quite funny, entertaining and pertinent.

Obviously you can't take a joke... if you're looking for posts that will stimulate your mind or any of that BS I think you need to look into other forums.

[Lynbrook 0]

Obviously you can't take a joke... if you're looking for posts that will stimulate your mind or any of that BS I think you need to look into other forums.

Or he could just ignore you and your buddy.

[Actuary 3]

Sure.CLIFF NOTES:Be nice.I don't like flames, no matter how light hearted they are.kthx.

oh. good luck with that.

[Actuary 3]

Gold is a retard and going all in proves it.

yeah. that proves it.Your posts are inciteful

[Mercury69 3]

yeah. that proves it.Your posts are inciteful

Well, no, it doesn't actually prove anything, but it sounded good to say it. Also, I love your transposition of the word "inciteful" (to inflame or cause dissent) with "insightful" (having innate understanding). Very entertaining.PS: Don't be sour that I corrected your word error. I'm not trying to pick a fight here. You caught me proving nothing and I caught you screwing up on a homonym. No, I didn't just call you homosexual.

[Lynbrook 0]

Well, no, it doesn't actually prove anything, but it sounded good to say it. Also, I love your transposition of the word "inciteful" (to inflame or cause dissent) with "insightful" (having innate understanding). Very entertaining.PS: Don't be sour that I corrected your word error. I'm not trying to pick a fight here. You caught me proving nothing and I caught you screwing up on a homonym. No, I didn't just call you homosexual.

Normally these short little quips are anything but funny. Their played. But the homosexual quip is definitely the exception. It made me smirk out loud.