QWithATray 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 this situation seems to come up quite often, anything wrong with it?live game, (say) $4/8 limitI raise P/F. several callers.I miss the flop and bet, one caller.caller checks, I bet the turn, get called.caller checks the river, i grab 8 chips, (still behind the betting line), see the caller grab his chips to call, so I change my mind and decide to check. He opens, beats me, and I muck. He complains that I was cheating - anything wrong with watching for him to grab his chips to call? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 no. Link to post Share on other sites
alanstats 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 the way people handle their chips is perhaps the most important tell that anyone can potentially pick up when playing live. If you can use it your advantage, without breaking the rules of crossing the betting line, then you'd be a fool to ignore this advantage. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 yes it was unethical Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 No it wasn't. Not anymore than any other false tell. Link to post Share on other sites
QWithATray 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 yes it was unethicalwhy? Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 yes it was unethical You're kidding right? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 You're kidding right?obv.you guys are too gullible. Link to post Share on other sites
QWithATray 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 obv.you guys are too gullible.i thought it was a pretty obvious question, just wanted to hear how someone could disagree Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 why?you should let him know your intentions clearly.like "I'm going for a check raise" would be one exampleit's only fair. Link to post Share on other sites
QWithATray 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 you should let him know your intentions clearly.like "I'm going for a check raise" would be one exampleit's only fair.i'm all about fair play. i usally try to declare my check raises in advance. Link to post Share on other sites
stevedar 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 that's called a balk...the runner advances to second Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 obv.you guys are too gullible. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 you should let him know your intentions clearly.like "I'm going for a check raise" would be one exampleit's only fair.Check-raising is unethical. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 you should let him know your intentions clearly.like "I'm going for a check raise" would be one exampleit's only fair.lol.There's a guy at the casino here, called Fast Eddie, some old man, hilarious, and nice guy, anyways, every time he checks, he says "check-raise"... it's pretty funny. Link to post Share on other sites
KoRnholio 2 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Check-raising is unethical.I actually read the posted rules at my local B&M and one of them states that "check-raising is legal". I believe it was right after a rule on angle-shooting or something similar Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 that's called a balk...the runner advances to second Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 What about when there are other people in the hand.You have a decent made hand in limit on the river. EP bets, you're in MP considering a call and notice LP grab chip. Legit right?Now what about this - actually happened in a "friendly" home tourney - NL. 3 handed. Short stack button pushes, you're in the SB contemplating a call with something like AT. BB moves cards forward like she's going to muck them. I don't think you do anything wrong by choosing to use that info (if you believe it or think it's a false tell) but is BB acting unethically - she admits she did it intentionally. Link to post Share on other sites
CzechRazor 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 I like to check raise. Link to post Share on other sites
the shank 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 i did this and they forced me to bet, which i thought was unfair since the chips didnt cross the betting line Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 What about when there are other people in the hand.You have a decent made hand in limit on the river. EP bets, you're in MP considering a call and notice LP grab chip. Legit right?Now what about this - actually happened in a "friendly" home tourney - NL. 3 handed. Short stack button pushes, you're in the SB contemplating a call with something like AT. BB moves cards forward like she's going to muck them. I don't think you do anything wrong by choosing to use that info (if you believe it or think it's a false tell) but is BB acting unethically - she admits she did it intentionally.Frankly I don't think there's anything unethical in poker. If it's not against the rules it's fair game. Acting like you're gonna fold your cards sounds like a great false tell to use. I may have to try it myself sometime. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 no. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan04 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Check-raising is unethical.not if you declare it preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
ncperrotta069 0 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 no. Link to post Share on other sites
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