Blackjack Bonus Whoring And Shinychicken

[dmb41 0]

I did the Starluck bonus. I've never played Blackjack in my life so I used the odds chart since I had no clue what I was doing. I played really slowly and referred to the chart each hand to make sure I wasn't making any mistakes. With that being said. I lost my $100 bonus money and $100 I deposited. I must have had the worst BJ variance possible because I was about to throw my monitor through the window. I felt like I was playing at a play money table and my hands kept getting sucked out on. It seemed like "every" time I had 11 and doubled down I would get a 3 and the dealer would win with a 17 or something. It seemed like I must have pushed 100 hands when I had 20. I never went on a winning streak the entire time I played. It was just sickening.Anyways, all that crying and whining aside I don't blame the OP because I am sure it's definately possible to make money doing this. I don't think it's rigged but I think I had the most unlucky run of cards ever. I may try another bonus somewhere else but if I lose that $100 I am gonna stop.

[EStormOk 0]

OP is a moron. If you dont believe that its virtually risk free do the math yourself and see how much you're supposed to make. If you actually follow perfect betting strategy and keep to the minimum bet each time then its almost impossible to lose money. Also, you arent really gambleing with your own money beacause they give you the $100 bonus up front to start with so you're gambleing the bonus money, if you end up with anything above $100 (which will happen almost every time unless you're a moron) its profit.also, each site has different rules regarding when you can or cannot cash out, some allow you to cashout and just forfeit your bonus without completing the wagering requirements and others do not.

First bolded area:Call me a moron, I had to gamble my *** off to get my $100 back from starluck casino, I played exactly the way the wizard cheatsheet suggested. I won $125 on planetluck (now I realize how damn lucky I was!). Played the switch blackjack on bet 365 (deposited $200 to get the full $200 bonus) and lost every bit of it playing the $5 a hand that was suggested by shinychicken. I guess you can sum it up by just calling me a moron for playing the way the wizard said to.Second bonded area:Why don't you list the sites that let you withdraw your original deposit before finishing the bonus requirement? None of the 3 I played would let you, I tried to on bet 365 and it would not let me..Look, I am not blaming anyone for my lose, I am a big boy and decided to follow someones suggestions that I don't know, I knew I was taking chances. What bothers me is that there was some things said in the original post that were flat untrue! Agin, the lose of my original $100 is no big deal, just thought I would support what the OP said, and let people know that some of what was in the original thread were not true.By the way, the software has something against "Bet 365" if you type it in without the space between them it tells you this:I'm an idiot, please ban me

[scottyno 0]

First bolded area:Call me a moron, I had to gamble my *** off to get my $100 back from starluck casino, I played exactly the way the wizard cheatsheet suggested. I won $125 on planetluck (now I realize how damn lucky I was!). Played the switch blackjack on bet 365 (deposited $200 to get the full $200 bonus) and lost every bit of it playing the $5 a hand that was suggested by shinychicken. I guess you can sum it up by just calling me a moron for playing the way the wizard said to.Second bonded area:Why don't you list the sites that let you withdraw your original deposit before finishing the bonus requirement? None of the 3 I played would let you, I tried to on bet 365 and it would not let me..Look, I am not blaming anyone for my lose, I am a big boy and decided to follow someones suggestions that I don't know, I knew I was taking chances. What bothers me is that there was some things said in the original post that were flat untrue! Agin, the lose of my original $100 is no big deal, just thought I would support what the OP said, and let people know that some of what was in the original thread were not true.By the way, the software has something against "Bet 365" if you type it in without the space between them it tells you this:I'm an idiot, please ban me

1. I dont know which sites let you withdraw ahead of time and what sites dont, though Im sure that intercasino lets you withdraw whenever you want. Im sure its all in the TOCs of the sites that should be pretty easy to find.2. Ive never played bet 365 but Im sure the variance of $5 per hand with $400 is more than the variance of $1 with $200 even though it is blackjack switch which does have lower variance than regular blackjack.3. With starluck and planetluck it is almost impossible for you to lose (by lose I mean end up with less than your initial $100 you started with). If you know basic statistics then you can figure this out, the probability of losing that much with $1 per hand is so low that it will almost never happen.

[dmb41 0]

3. With starluck and planetluck it is almost impossible for you to lose (by lose I mean end up with less than your initial $100 you started with). If you know basic statistics then you can figure this out, the probability of losing that much with $1 per hand is so low that it will almost never happen.

I must be the most unlucky ******* on the entire planet then because it happend to me.

[HangukMiguk 8]

30/30/30?

[EStormOk 0]

30/30/30?

nevermind.

[Konidias 0]

I've dabbled in FCP's casino and played BJ there a bit and I've won around $500 so far...Right now I'm trying a new betting system I've come up with and so far it's been favorable. Well I started with $50 initially and 2 hours and roughly 450 hands later I ended with $52.50... okay so not exactly huge bucks but the impressive part was that I never dropped below $25 and if I would have been playing with a larger roll and making consistent $10 bets I would have profited roughly $200.So my system is working... so far. :PThe trick I've found to beating BJ online is to play within your limit... much like poker, you can't make like $20 bets with a $100 roll. You need to play within your limit so that you can handle the downswings. I can't guarantee that you'll profit every time you do that, but at least you won't blow through your deposit in 5 minutes.I don't really believe in those "if you lose, double your bet" "if you win, double your bet" systems. It makes no sense to me. If you lose a hand and then double the next bet and lose that one, you're f***ed. Then you're stuck betting way too much to try and win back what you've lost.I've only been tracking my play since today but so far I've found that I've had swings where I've won 8 hands in a row and swings where I've lost 7 hands in a row. Sick, I know...But here's one thing to keep in mind... FCP's BJ pays 3 to 2 odds for hitting a BJ... which to me is like the bonus. You're talking winning your bet + half from the BJ so if you are making $10 bets you win $5 extra. In the course of 2 hours I hit BJ 18 times. 18 x $10 = $180. So if I broke even I'd still be up $180 in 2 hours. Nice huh?

[DaBruins 0]

Online BJ is the worst. I played some $1 BJ on UB and I've never seen so many "close beats" in favor of the dealer or been coolered so many times when I had a decent hand. The Compleat Brocolli.Avoid, avoid, avoid.

there's no such thing as a bad beat in BJ [pun intended]

[TheCinciKid 0]

I did the Starluck bonus a few weeks ago. I ended up cashing out either $170 or $175 (I can't remember which). The only reason it wasn't more is that I'm a degenerate and played other games besides BJ and lost money at them. While clearing the BJ bonus I bet $2 a hand, couldn't bring myself to do as little as $1 with the wagering requirements. It probably took me a total or 3-4 hours and I was up and down the whole time, but probably wound up winning $10-$20. Like others have said, this a virtually no risk proposition if you follow the wizardofodds cheatsheet. I reccomend it to anyone who doesn't have a gambling problem. If you do have a gambling problem....like I seem to....I wouldn't reccomend it simply because the temptation is there to do stupid ****.

[TheCorporation3 0]

Right now I'm trying a new betting system I've come up with and so far it's been favorable. So my system is working... so far. In the course of 2 hours I hit BJ 18 times. 18 x $10 = $180. So if I broke even I'd still be up $180 in 2 hours. Nice huh?

NO SUCH THING AS A SYSTEM IN BLACKJACK! WARNING!Please stop. Black Jack is the sickest game that CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT be beat. Atleast not unless you are team MIT with precise card counting, which you are not. Black Jack is the devil, and there is no "system" that you can think of that will win, espeically when the odds are clearly against you. It's a stupid thing to even THINK the game can be beat. Yes I once was an AVID Black Jack player, and I have seen huge rushes before. My friend once turned $200 on Party BJ into $10,000. I have turned $200 into 4K before. But the truth is, you will never beat the game, because you will always go back, and you will always give it back, and then some. A game that even has a 1-3% advantage, which BJ has, is impossible to beat, simply because of that. Casinos would never introduce a game that can be beat, simple.

[Sunny 0]

I've dabbled in FCP's casino and played BJ there a bit and I've won around $500 so far...Right now I'm trying a new betting system I've come up with and so far it's been favorable. Well I started with $50 initially and 2 hours and roughly 450 hands later I ended with $52.50... okay so not exactly huge bucks but the impressive part was that I never dropped below $25 and if I would have been playing with a larger roll and making consistent $10 bets I would have profited roughly $200.So my system is working... so far. :PThe trick I've found to beating BJ online is to play within your limit... much like poker, you can't make like $20 bets with a $100 roll. You need to play within your limit so that you can handle the downswings. I can't guarantee that you'll profit every time you do that, but at least you won't blow through your deposit in 5 minutes.I don't really believe in those "if you lose, double your bet" "if you win, double your bet" systems. It makes no sense to me. If you lose a hand and then double the next bet and lose that one, you're f***ed. Then you're stuck betting way too much to try and win back what you've lost.I've only been tracking my play since today but so far I've found that I've had swings where I've won 8 hands in a row and swings where I've lost 7 hands in a row. Sick, I know...But here's one thing to keep in mind... FCP's BJ pays 3 to 2 odds for hitting a BJ... which to me is like the bonus. You're talking winning your bet + half from the BJ so if you are making $10 bets you win $5 extra. In the course of 2 hours I hit BJ 18 times. 18 x $10 = $180. So if I broke even I'd still be up $180 in 2 hours. Nice huh?

You are one sick puppy.GetGAmeeting

[RodReynolds 87]

Just gonna throw this out there, haven't seen it yet.So... Let's do some math!Assume 1600 independent events, Prob(success) = 0.498Prob(failure)=0.502Mean = 0.498*1600= 796.8 wins = -$7(I made up these figures by assuming Shinychickens expected loss of $7 was correct.. I really have no idea if they are true, I know next to nothing about blackjack)Using Central Limit Theorem to approximate with Normal Distr.Var = 1600*Var1Var1 = the variance of 1 binomial event = 0.498*0.502 = 0.25 (close enough..)Var=400Standard Dev = Sqrt(Var) = 20So, to lose money, you need less than 750 wins. This is 2.34 standard deviations. Looking at my normal dist. chart, and if my math is correct, you have about a 1% chance of losing money.Edit: I realize that I've simplified things a little, as this is not a true "binomial experiment", as there are more than just two outcomes for each experiment. But I think it's probably approximately true.

[Push Monkey 0]

I don't just bet the minimum. I bet aggressively and try to card count and mix some other strat when I play two deck Blackjack online. I've turned $200 into $1600 and I quit after meeting the bonus requirements on the three sites.I play on cashing out $1400 and just using my initial $200 to bet aggressively again, hoping to run well.

[upminplz 0]

which of the blackjack charts on the wizard of odds are you supposed to use

[crazyplaya6 0]

can someone link shinychickens blog?

[RodReynolds 87]

can someone link shinychickens blog?

http://www.pokerbank.blogspot.com/

[crazyplaya6 0]

thanks

[scottyno 0]

Just gonna throw this out there, haven't seen it yet.So... Let's do some math!Assume 1600 independent events, Prob(success) = 0.498Prob(failure)=0.502Mean = 0.498*1600= 796.8 wins = -$7(I made up these figures by assuming Shinychickens expected loss of $7 was correct.. I really have no idea if they are true, I know next to nothing about blackjack)Using Central Limit Theorem to approximate with Normal Distr.Var = 1600*Var1Var1 = the variance of 1 binomial event = 0.498*0.502 = 0.25 (close enough..)Var=400Standard Dev = Sqrt(Var) = 20So, to lose money, you need less than 750 wins. This is 2.34 standard deviations. Looking at my normal dist. chart, and if my math is correct, you have about a 1% chance of losing money.Edit: I realize that I've simplified things a little, as this is not a true "binomial experiment", as there are more than just two outcomes for each experiment. But I think it's probably approximately true.

thank you, this is what I was too lazy to do to prove my point. As you said there are more than 2 outcomes, so your chance of losing is probably a little high because the other outcomes besides winning 1 or losing 1 are winning 1.5 for hitting a blackjack, or the results of a double or split which if you did them at the right time have a higher expected return than loss.

[jayvegas420 0]

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[shinychicken 0]

Can the OP define gambling for me? This thread is nothing more than ridiculous, but I will take the publicity from it. Blackjack is a gamble and you can lose money. Ideally, you should only lose the house edge, but you can and will lose more depending on variance. Expected value and expected loss are terms any gambler should learn to do deal with. Playing my way, mathematically you have the edge and will come out ahead in the long run. You can reach short terms of success and failure by upping your bets (gambling), but all I do is give you the math involved and show you situations to exploit. Take Aces for example. You can and do lose with them quite often, but you win more than your fair share. If you don't like my advice, you don't have to follow it and you certainly don't have to make a big post about it. I don't hear you complain about the advice that the pros when they publish a book about poker, so get off my back. Here is the math for anyone interested: Starluck CasinoDeposit: $100Bonus: $100Requirement: 8x Deposit + Bonus (8 x $200 = $1600) House Edge: .456 %Expected Loss: Requirement x House Edge ($1600 x .456% = $7.30)Expected Value: Bonus - Loss ($100 - $7.30 = $92.7 rounded up to $93)Time to complete: 3 hours ($31 per hour)Anyone else who wants advice or suggestions, feel free to pm me. Thanks to all who defended me here and happy whoring...

[EStormOk 0]

Can the OP define gambling for me? This thread is nothing more than ridiculous, but I will take the publicity from it. Blackjack is a gamble and you can lose money. Ideally, you should only lose the house edge, but you can and will lose more depending on variance. Expected value and expected loss are terms any gambler should learn to do deal with. Playing my way, mathematically you have the edge and will come out ahead in the long run. You can reach short terms of success and failure by upping your bets (gambling), but all I do is give you the math involved and show you situations to exploit. Take Aces for example. You can and do lose with them quite often, but you win more than your fair share. If you don't like my advice, you don't have to follow it and you certainly don't have to make a big post about it. I don't hear you complain about the advice that the pros when they publish a book about poker, so get off my back. Here is the math for anyone interested: Starluck CasinoDeposit: $100Bonus: $100Requirement: 8x Deposit + Bonus (8 x $200 = $1600) House Edge: .456 %Expected Loss: Requirement x House Edge ($1600 x .456% = $7.30)Expected Value: Bonus - Loss ($100 - $7.30 = $92.7 rounded up to $93)Time to complete: 3 hours ($31 per hour)Anyone else who wants advice or suggestions, feel free to pm me. Thanks to all who defended me here and happy whoring...

The only thing I said I wasn't appreciative of was the fact that someone in the other thread (I am to lazy to go look up who) said your initial investment wasn't at risk, that you could withdraw it at any time. That in fact is NOT TRUE.

[DanielSon 0]

Terms and conditions about bonuses on starluck says this:"You are not entitled to withdraw any Bonus amounts and you may not take any cash out from your Account without first complying with the applicable terms including, without limitation, in respect of any qualifiers or restrictions."So I guess you can't withdraw your own money until completeing requirements....

[EStormOk 0]

Terms and conditions about bonuses on starluck says this:"You are not entitled to withdraw any Bonus amounts and you may not take any cash out from your Account without first complying with the applicable terms including, without limitation, in respect of any qualifiers or restrictions."So I guess you can't withdraw your own money until completeing requirements....

Hey, thanks Einstein, I already know that now. Someone in the original thread said you could withdraw your initial deposit without making the betting requirements. And before anyone flames, I accept responsibility for not checking it out my self first. But if people are going to post as experts, then they should be accurate.This is my last post on the subject.

[DanielSon 0]

Hey, thanks Einstein, I already know that now. Someone in the original thread said you could withdraw your initial deposit without making the betting requirements. And before anyone flames, I accept responsibility for not checking it out my self first. But if people are going to post as experts, then they should be accurate.This is my last post on the subject.

Wow, i was just backing you up with some evidence to help your case....Maybe I should have just flamed you....

[EStormOk 0]

Wow, i was just backing you up with some evidence to help your case....Maybe I should have just flamed you....

Ok, breaking my word, but I figured I owed you an apology. My bad dude. Just misread your intentions.