Cyner 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Add FTP's Paul Wolfe to the list of supporters. Conversation between him and SamENole at 30/60 Razz.Paul Wolfe: i wont play wpt events anyway havent played one scince decemberPaul Wolfe: dont like the waiverPaul Wolfe: they need to change it to respect the players rightsDavid Chiu: i saw Howard yester in FT office he said he won't playPaul Wolfe: i wish more players were like howardPaul Wolfe: he is in it for all of usPaul Wolfe: good manSamENole: how many arent playingDavid Chiu: great manSamENole: i know raymer, bloch, annie duke, a few othersPaul Wolfe: yesPaul Wolfe: chrisSamENole: oh yeaPaul Wolfe: there are more then thatSamENole: wpt wont budge at all?Paul Wolfe: they shouldPaul Wolfe: no reason why they dontSamENole: yeaPaul Wolfe: there is not another place where people pay what we pay to not own our own namesPaul Wolfe: thats all we askSamENole: agreedPaul Wolfe: its not enough we pay the% they wantSamENole: exactly and get no tv moneyPaul Wolfe: its not rightSamENole: about the form....SamENole: if youve signed it in the past, why does it matter if you play more events?SamENole: dont they just need 1 signed form to "own you"?Paul Wolfe: i feel that it is in my best intrest to stop nowSamENole: yea i hear ya Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Harris 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 You realize the release they sign for the WSOP has the same blanket statements they're pissed about in the WPT release?Raymer says "there is nothing in the WSOP release that says they can use your name and image for any purpose they want."The WPT release is different--they say they can use your name and image any way they want. They also state that:From the WPTE release:6) Miscellaneous. Player agrees to conduct at least one (1) taped interview if requested by WPT. WPT is not obligated to use the Recordings in thePrograms or to develop, produce, distribute, or exploit the Programs in any manner and/or territory. Player acknowledges and agrees that Player shall not be entitled to any fees or other monetary compensation from WPT in consideration of this agreement or in connection with WPT’s exercise of its rights hereunder. Link to post Share on other sites
kennyg1966 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Hmmm Daniel have you not spent your $0.02 many times over !!Lets let the lawyers get rich and the 7 players make them rich. Whatever happens will NOT affect the poker "BOOM"99% of the poker players do not play anywhere near the limits these guys play at.Whatever deal will be negoitated can't be bad for poker. Let these 7 players pay for it. And let the rest of the players you included that disagree with what they are doing, benefit from their well spent money!Just let what happens happen!If the WPT ends up going TITS up. The casino's that have help the WPT tourney's will just do it on their own, and ESPN will be there to film it!OK I am up to $0.06 and am done with this topic!! Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Harris 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 It gets more interesting if WSOP buys WPT... pokerati reports the rumor...http://pokerati.com/2006/08/23/the-monopoly-of-poker/ Link to post Share on other sites
revg 0 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Add FTP's Paul Wolfe to the list of supporters. Conversation between him and SamENole at 30/60 Razz.Paul Wolfe: i wont play wpt events anyway havent played one scince decemberPaul Wolfe: dont like the waiverPaul Wolfe: they need to change it to respect the players rightsDavid Chiu: i saw Howard yester in FT office he said he won't playPaul Wolfe: i wish more players were like howardPaul Wolfe: he is in it for all of usPaul Wolfe: good manSamENole: how many arent playingDavid Chiu: great manSamENole: i know raymer, bloch, annie duke, a few othersPaul Wolfe: yesPaul Wolfe: chrisSamENole: oh yeaPaul Wolfe: there are more then thatSamENole: wpt wont budge at all?Paul Wolfe: they shouldPaul Wolfe: no reason why they dontSamENole: yeaPaul Wolfe: there is not another place where people pay what we pay to not own our own namesPaul Wolfe: thats all we askSamENole: agreedPaul Wolfe: its not enough we pay the% they wantSamENole: exactly and get no tv moneyPaul Wolfe: its not rightSamENole: about the form....SamENole: if youve signed it in the past, why does it matter if you play more events?SamENole: dont they just need 1 signed form to "own you"?Paul Wolfe: i feel that it is in my best intrest to stop nowSamENole: yea i hear yaGood Job. I liked this question. If a player has signed it even just once that should mean that the WPT has the rights to the players' likeness for an eternity. So Paul, Daniel, Gus, Hoyt, Chau, Scotty Nguyen, Phil Ivey, Phil Gordon, and Chris Ferguson to name a few are already owned.So it looks to be too late for Ferguson and Gordon. They have both already signed the WPT release. You two have already signed your names away. The WPT must already be using this to their advantage like crazy. I mean they must be, to warrant launching a lawsuit against the WPT. What has the WPT done wrong to you guys again? oh nothing? ya I figured so. So quit whining already and go back to playing poker.So these 7 players are scared that the WPT will own their names eh? Well they already do. Now if the WPT had plans on using that clause in their release form to their advantage would then not have done something already???? I think they would have. Or wait, maybe the WPT is just waiting for the Phil Gordon blow up doll to be perfected and then when it's ready they will put that likeness clause that Gordon signed on the release into action!! Ya that's it. Cheers,Greg Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I wanted to stay out of this, but I can't. It just fires me up, you people.The World Poker Tour is IMO responsible for making household names out of Andrew Bloch, Phil Gordon, Joseph Hachem and Greg Raymer and now they are plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the WPT???Outside of poker circles, Raymer and Hachem are known for their WSOP ME wins. Phil is known as Dave Foley's sidekick on WPT's Hollywood Homegame, or whatever it is. Block is nowhere near a household name Half my poker playing friends have never heard of him even. Nobody in my family has heard of Duke or Lederer. Even my brother who plays a bit online. Household names? Gimme a break. Hole-cams feuled the poker boom. If WPT did it first, then kudos, but if you think nobody else would have done it, you're kidding yourself. "Characters" like Doyle, DN, Laak, and Jesus helped to feul the boom. They would have done so on any broadcast. The product is good. Why is the vendor getting all the credit? Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 You guys do know that there have been plenty of lawsuits where the workers sued a company won and both the workers and the company wound up in worse shape because the whole business went down the drain Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Courts have the power to strike down contracts they deem illegal. If the 7 players win, all past releases they have signed will be invalidated. If they continued to play, it would indicate a tacit support for the conditions offered by the WPTE.The product is good. Why is the vendor getting all the credit?Because this is Negreanu's forum and he supports the WPTE. Link to post Share on other sites
revg 0 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Outside of poker circles, Raymer and Hachem are known for their WSOP ME wins. Phil is known as Dave Foley's sidekick on WPT's Hollywood Homegame, or whatever it is. Block is nowhere near a household name Half my poker playing friends have never heard of him even. Nobody in my family has heard of Duke or Lederer. Even my brother who plays a bit online. Household names? Gimme a break.The only reason anyone has even heard of or cares about their WSOP ME events is because of the World Poker Tour. No one other than hardcore poker players watched the WSOP or cared about what it was UNTIL THE WPT CAME ALONG. HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE STATED BEFORE YOU PEOPLE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS?????Block is nowhere near a household name Half my poker playing friends have never heard of him even. Nobody in my family has heard of Duke or Lederer. Even my brother who plays a bit online. Household names? Gimme a break. Have you and your friends been living under a rock? I swear I have to drop my IQ down 50% just to try to understand where the hell it is you are coming from.Hole-cams feuled the poker boom. If WPT did it first, then kudos, but if you think nobody else would have done it, you're kidding yourself. "Characters" like Doyle, DN, Laak, and Jesus helped to feul the boom. They would have done so on any broadcast. The product is good. Why is the vendor getting all the credit?Ya no kidding I agree with this statement 100%. The point is that NOBODY ELSE DID IT the World Poker Tour DID IT. Why should the WPT get credit yopu ask? Because they took all the risk that's why. They were the ones who decided to take a chance at televising poker. It was a BIG risk and they had to put up a lot of captial and who knows what else to launch this thing. LUCKILY for the players and the WPT it worked. It took a lot of balls to launch this idea. I think the 7 players should be grateful that they even have the opportunities that they do now.The poker players can attribute much of their success to the WPT. Sure, if it was some other company other than the WPT the same thing probably would have happened, but that changes nothing in this debate. That is irrelevant. The 7 players are acting like they are 100% responsible for the poker boom and they deserve everything they want. This is not true. The WPT and the players are both valuable components in the poker world and they should have respect for each other. If this lawsuit was to be won by the poker players it will be damaging to the poker world. Just think about NHL hockey. The salaries became so high that some of the NHL teams were in danger of going broke because the owners were going in the hole because the revenue they bring in was not enough to support the inflated salaries of the players. We are heading for the same type of suituation in the poker world with this crap.Cheers,Greg Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Harris 0 Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 The only reason anyone has even heard of or cares about their WSOP ME events is because of the World Poker Tour.I attended the ME in the 1980s. It was cooler to be in the ME then.No one other than hardcore poker players watched the WSOP or cared about what it was UNTIL THE WPT CAME ALONG. HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE STATED BEFORE YOU PEOPLE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS?????Then the WPT is the reason the WSOP is garbage now. It isn't about poker now, it's just a crapshoot. Skill can't survive in a field of so many maniacs. The point is that NOBODY ELSE DID IT the World Poker Tour DID IT.ESPN and television did it, not the WPT alone. But the reason poker boomed is because online players pumped up the ESPN ratings when they watched poker on tv, and also because Jesus, Hellmuth, Greenstien, Ivey and others were such powerful players to watch. They made tv compelling. If you look at the coverage of the WSOP this year--pretty boring, because none of the poker elite are able to play their game with all the maniacs at the tables.Why should the WPT get credit you ask? Because they took all the risk that's why. They were the ones who decided to take a chance at televising poker. It was a BIG risk and they had to put up a lot of captial and who knows what else to launch this thing. LUCKILY for the players and the WPT it worked. It took a lot of balls to launch this idea. I think the 7 players should be grateful that they even have the opportunities that they do now.Sure the WPTE took a risk and they're reward is the profit they've made. Their release gives them ownership of the likeness and images of players. That's wrong.Gotta say it... DN is blowing this lawsuit out of proportion. The judge might throw the case out; the players might settle with WPTE before it goes to a jury. They'll work it out. Link to post Share on other sites
mcpickl 0 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 The only reason anyone has even heard of or cares about their WSOP ME events is because of the World Poker Tour. No one other than hardcore poker players watched the WSOP or cared about what it was UNTIL THE WPT CAME ALONG. HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE STATED BEFORE YOU PEOPLE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS?????the 7 players involved in the lawsuit would likely agree with you, I've heard Lederer and Gordon do so in interviews. They know the WPT is a major part of their success. Howard has said he wouldn't have the career in commentating he does now without the WPT. It's besides the point. They feel the release is illegal. Just because the WPT has helped their careers doesn't mean they should be able to write any clause into their release whether it's legal or not, does it? Link to post Share on other sites
DonkDonkDOnk 0 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 its paul wolfe.. who cares ... that guy could not be more ignorant Link to post Share on other sites
Nitro 0 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 The WPT is what got me into online poker and poker in general... I just happened to catch an episode of season 2 one night and I was hooked. As for the lawsuit.. I have no opinion, because it really won't effect me either way. Link to post Share on other sites
holdemsnowboarder 0 Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Just so you know in an official response to the lawsuit the WPT did bring up the players ties with online gambling. Im trying to find the article again right now but basically it said something along the lines that the wpt was at a disadvantage because these players represented these huge sites that allow players in america to play while they don't. Something like that I'll try and find the exact quote but thats just for those that said it wouldn't get involved. Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 As for the lawsuit.. I have no opinion, because it really won't effect me either way.If you play tournament poker at any level - live or online, it MAY (i.e POTENTIALLY) affect you. Link to post Share on other sites
SoCooLBob 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 How does this all relate to ...http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/I can't help notice some of the "key players" are the same. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 This lawsuit is good for poker like unruly nose hair is good for getting a date.NOT! Link to post Share on other sites
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