gambitwise 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 .10/.25 NL Hold 'EmUTG folds to me, I raise with pocket Q's to $1, I get calls from both blinds.Flop - Q :icon_suit_diamond: -2 :icon_suit_club: -K :icon_suit_heart: (pot - $3)Small blind checks, Villain bets $1.25. I call, small blind folds.Turn - T :icon_suit_heart: (pot - $5.50)Villain bets $3, I raise to $9, he moves all-in, and has me more than covered.Call? Fold? I can tell you what happened, after a few replies. But mostly, any suggestions on how I played this so far? Typically I try to slowplay sets if the flop isn't that scarey. Any other hints on how to play sets that you catch on the flop?gambitwise Link to post Share on other sites
gaddyjr 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 any suggestions on how I played this so far? Typically I try to slowplay sets if the flop isn't that scarey. Any other hints on how to play sets that you catch on the flop?While this isn't a terribly scary flop, there is still a straight draw out there as JT is a very popular hand. If someone is going to bet $1.25 into the PF raiser, then I assume he will have little trouble calling a raise to around $4. Therefore, I think a raise is appropriate. If he bet into you again, you would push on the turn since it created multiple straight draws.His push on the turn is an easy call. The only hands beating you are AJ, J9 and KK - none of which he would play that way. Link to post Share on other sites
kung fu 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 definitely a good call. (by the tone of your post) it sounds like you got stooged, but this happens all the time at these levels, which you'll have to deal with until their poor play comes back on them. Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneKyle 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I like throwing in a teasing raise on the flop. I think its an easy push, I just don't see villian having a hand that beats you and if he does then you can redraw on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Easy call. Link to post Share on other sites
BNH77 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I would raise on the flop hoping to get all the $ in vs AK, on the turn Im calling all in or moving all in, what ver happens 1st. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 It's probably not a huge deal in this particular case, but stack sizes matter. When you say he pushes all-in and has you covered, it's somewhat significant if you only have $1 left or if you have $200 left. Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 People need to play more aggressively (not necessarily with bet amounts) with large hands.There are only a handful of situations that you can run across when you have a hand that is a winner 99% of the time:1. Someone has top pair.2. Someone's on a draw.3. Someone thinks you are bluffing.There are bets that you can make that would be profitable against all of these. Half to full pot size, with significant re-raises. Always assume they are drawing and make them pay.Checking and trying to trap a player who currently has nothing is very dangerous and is not profitable. You have to ask, how often will they get a card that helps there hand enough for you to profit *but doesn't beat your set*? I'd put the answer at about 5-10% of the time... generously. Compare this with 16% for a gutshot and the known odds for straights it is NOT a profitable play.I'm actually not a fan of slow-playing in general, but you must choose your flops carefully if you decide to do it. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of a flop where it's generally a good idea. Leading out (especially if you raised pre flop) is much more deceptive, especially at lower stakes. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 A. Why do people feel the need to slowplay a set every f*cking time!!? God...B. If you are gonna slowplay it on the flop..and then on the turn you get pushed all in.. WHY WOULD YOU FOLD!?!? THAT IS THE POINT OF SLOWPLAYING!!! CALL!!! If you're gonna slowplay....get all in when you can. If you are gonna slowplay and then be scared when someone pushes all in..then you better quit slowplaying. Link to post Share on other sites
gambitwise 0 Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 Thanks for the help guys, I totally agree with all you said. MasterLJ, I agree, and I try to choose my flops wisely, otherwise I'll in there betting with the good hands. KowboyKoop, don't worry - yes, it was an easy call.So I pinned him on top pair, since he was betting into me the second time, something like KJ or K10. Sure enough, he had KJ. Ace on the river gave him a straight and took all my cash. That's poker. Link to post Share on other sites
benhoug 0 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Call? Fold? Typically I try to slowplay sets if the flop isn't that scarey. Any other hints on how to play sets that you catch on the flop?Call. If he has AJ, so be it. I know everyone loves to slowplay their sets, but I'm telling you YOU GET MORE PAID when you play them fast, especially when you have bottom or middle set (as in this example). Raise him on the flop and call his all-in, or raise him on the flop and keep your foot on the gas 'till the end.If villian had AK don't you think he'd be in love w/ his hand??? You've got a monster here, you have to get full value from it. Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Call. If he has AJ, so be it. I know everyone loves to slowplay their sets, but I'm telling you YOU GET PAID MORE when you play them fast, especially when you have bottom or middle set (as in this example). Raise him on the flop and call his all-in, or raise him on the flop and keep your foot on the gas 'till the end.If villian had AK don't you think he'd be in love w/ his hand??? You've got a monster here, you have to get full value from it.FYPI agree with fast playing middle set or bottom set especially if the other players are known to get married to TPTK. Link to post Share on other sites
srblan 0 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I prefer to slowplay when I have a reason to. Any time you flop a set with two broadways on the board (especially if one is an ace), slowplaying is going to be dangerous. People are much more likely to take one off with A-big than any other because they know that they are likely to have the nuts if they hit. I'd have probably raised to 4 dollars on the flop, knowing that an aggressive opponent might push on me if he has two pair or a draw. Link to post Share on other sites
insano 0 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Raise more PF. With that level of play you could easily get callers at 5-6x BB preflop. I've noticed that they will take a shot at the pot on the flop no matter what comes, so be prepared to C/R. Link to post Share on other sites
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