The Christian Poker Player

[speedz99 145]

I am god...give me ten percent of your gross and fear me until the end. On a seperate note, who else thinks my son was kind of a puss? I mean, if he was soooo powerful why would he let himself die in such a humiliating way? Sack up JC.

[turd ferguson 1]

I am god...give me ten percent of your gross and fear me until the end. On a seperate note, who else thinks my son was kind of a puss? I mean, if he was soooo powerful why would he let himself die in such a humiliating way? Sack up JC.

I think I just found my new favorite poster.

[ShakeZuma 585]

I am god...give me ten percent of your gross and fear me until the end. On a seperate note, who else thinks my son was kind of a puss? I mean, if he was soooo powerful why would he let himself die in such a humiliating way? Sack up JC.

holy shit dude you win

[hermanjenks 0]

why thank you all. allah akbar.

[ShakeZuma 585]

why thank you all. allah akbar.

too far

[hermanjenks 0]

too far

Yeah you might be right. As a practicing Scientologist, all praises due to his majesty L. Ron FREAKING Hubbard. Dianetics anyone? hahaha

[ajs510 122]

Can a brotha get a dancing lock?

[Jimshoen 0]

I was glad to see the Bob's question and the discussion. It's not an uncommon question in many churches. While there will always be debate about specific doctrinal issues... we shouldn't forget we are called to love one another - to include our enemies. We can do more harm than good when we the tone of the debate loses that element. I think DN said it very well. I don't see poker or gambling expressly prohibited. But we are called to love God, love each other, be good stewards with both our time and our money, to take care of the poor, and much more. So if playing poker doesn't get in the way of that or helps you do that - go for it. I think moderation is the key in all things. To me the greater question is what place does God have in your life. I was encouraged by DN when he said he's been reading five chapters of the Bible everyday. I'm glad he shares his beliefs with us, whether religion, politics, education or anything else. Last point and then I'll jump down off the soapbox. None of us will judge, so we need to be cautious about how we characterize the fate of others. One of the most commonly quoted passages in the Bible is Matt 7:1-2 - Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. (NIV) Bob - I hope to see you at the tables :icon_suit_heart:

[SunDrop 0]

too far

I'm Danzig, ************. Now you listen to me as loud as you ****ing can.

[dreamcaster 0]

Or, how about the POKER PLAYER who loves God, loves his family, loves children, and uses the money he earns to better other people's lives?

Hey Daniel,Could I have $200,000 cdn so the other 1/2 of my new house will be paid off thus allowing my wife to stop working and stay home with the kids during their developmental years? (I'm joking)

[ShakeZuma 585]

I'm Danzig, ************. Now you listen to me as loud as you ****ing can.

Danzig kicks ass

[ajs510 122]

Hey Daniel,Could I have $200,000 cdn so the other 1/2 of my new house will be paid off thus allowing my wife to stop working and stay home with the kids during their developmental years? (I'm joking)

$24 American would go that far towards improving your quality of life?

[dreamcaster 0]

$24 American would go that far towards improving your quality of life?

Nice. $24 US doesn't go as far as it used to, with the strong cdn dollar/weak US dollar and all.

[SunDrop 0]

Guys...you'll never believe this....Proof that God doesn't exist....http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...t=all&vc=1&nt=5

[NicksDad1970 0]

What he said... lol Seriously, playing poker isn't sinful. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that it is. In fact, there is evidence in the Bible that suggests that God himself made a wager. He knew he couldn't lose the bet, mind you, but he did make a wager with Satan referring to Job. The only scripture that people may interpert as Jesus saying that gambling was wrong, was when they turned the church into a marketplace. Also, gambling in the church and making a mockery of it. My wife's family are as Christian as you can possibly be, and they have NO problem with what I do for a living. What I DO with the money is of concern, but not that I make it from poker. Based on your girlfriend's interpertation, she shouldn't be with a stock brocker, an entrepeneur, a restaurant owner, etc. All forms of business are a gamble. If the business fails, you go broke!

IMHO, there's nothing wrong with playing poker and christianity. Unless you're being deceitful. It's a better example as a pool player. If you're at the pool room and you play like crap on purpose just trying to get a good spot from someone so you can beat them out of all their money then that's wrong.But if you're in a casino where the object is to try to look like you have nothing when you in fact do then that's different.

[Loismustdie 0]

apparently you didnt understand James either...James referred to the readers as brothers 14 times!!!! while callin on them to begin doing works. So is James contradicting himself? Can he call them believers if they are not doing works? Of course not...Just like baptism, the works are an outward expression of ur faith. B/c you believe you should be out showing the world that you are a believer...it also isnt a difficult conceptAS for ur last paragraph yes it is an exercise in futility...YOu make claims without biblical verses and when i correct you using greek u claim that the greek is wrong and the translation is right..imagine that...I have another quick thing for u to do..Go up to a philosophy major and ask him about absolute statements and if you can make them without absolute knowledge...He will laugh at you as everybody else has done so far. And again..Please tell me what word in 1 Peter 2:11 matches up with "strangers" in 1 Peter 1:1...its not hard quit avoiding things that you know ur wrong on...I alreayd answered ur verses in the past. In 1 Corinthians specifically Paul says that he is glad he didnt baptism them so that they couldnt say they were baptized in Pauls name...Hmmm So Paul doesnt feel its necessary to baptize them..imagine that...What you fail to realize is that by using ur messed up version of the bible the bible contradicts itself or Paul was wrong or ur wrong...Hmmm i wonder which one is wrong

Yep, James refers to them as brothers, and also repeats that faith without works is no good- apparently they were a tad confused with that concept as are you, and he set them straight, as you should be as well. Paul never said that it was not neccesary to baptize- he just said that he was glad that he had not baptized most of them, because they had taking to arguing about who was better than who because of which christian had baptized them, and he let them know that it had nothing to do with him, it was christ that died on the cross. Not once in that whole account does he say baptism is not neccesary.Show me the part where Paul says he feels baptism does not matter. Good luck with that.Hey, I see crowTrobot is hanging around. Sweet. Also, I could not care less what a Philosophy proffessor says about absolutes. Either I believe wholeheartedly as God would have me too or I don't and my sacrifice is pitiful.

[Loismustdie 0]

Lois has said that he wont talk to me anymore..has said this many times...well i wonder why..lets go over the facts1. His version of the bible contradicts itself:He claims we must have baptism and now hes claiming works also are a mustEphesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and hat not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast"Clearly if you think works get u to heaven then verse contradicts it Lois doesnt answer this 2. Lois doesnt seem to have a concept of the Philosophy of Knowledge so he cant seem to grasp the concept of absolute knowledge...does he admit this? of course not3. Lois seems to feel that a translation is more perfect than the original. That just b/c somebody did thier best to translate something that it is just as good as the original greek. Again...he doesnt grasp a concept but hey..he wont admit this eitherare yall seeing a pattern? 4. Lois doesnt answer anythign with biblical verses..he generalizes things to what he wants them to be5. The NASB is the best translation available of the bible. It is a word for word translation. Does Lois seem to know this? Of course not....Are yall still seeing the pattern? 6. If you say something that disagrees and have biblical backing for it what does he do? He says hes no longer talkin to you to avoid having to actually back up what he believes....He says baptism is necessary...tahts fine...explain Ephesians 2:8-9, Explain John 3:16...How does baptism fit into these verses? Its not a hard concept but instead of answering it he says he isnt talkin to me anymore...Do yall see the pattern?

Matt, you truly are a blind dumbass- the original document no longer exists!!!!! You're translation is just another version of the KJV version.See, here is the thing, I will show you 14 scriptures and you will show 2- I would say the onus is on you to make your 2 fit with my 14. Yep, John 3:16 Believe in Jesus- what did Jesus teach? He taught that sin cannot enter heaven. How do you wash away sin? Baptism. Ephesians 2:8-9 Simple. Of course it is not your doing!! Did you send your son to die on the cross? Did you master plan salvation?? NO!! So, of course it was a gift and we had nothing to do with it, through the grace of God there is a way to be saved. Jesus taught that baptism saved and his followers did as well, they passed in on so many times that it is just ridiculous that poeple with any kind of comprehension- if you can read a comic book you can figuire out the bible. I have proven you wrong on every front, and the scriptures fit cohesively my way. I am done talking with you because it doesn't help!!! I cannot help you to see, you are too far gone and blinded by the lies. The great thing is, you are still part of the plan- God said people like you would exist in the end times.

[crowTrobot 2]

Mattn and Lois: The Laurel and Hardy of crackpots."Jesus is on first!" "The Holy Ghost is on first?" "The Holy Ghost is on second, the Word is on third!"

that would be abbott and costello, and don't insult abbott and costello

Matt, you truly are a blind dumbass-

someone who thinks the earth is less than a million years old shouldn't talk about blind dumbasses

[Mattnxtc 0]

Matt, you truly are a blind dumbass- the original document no longer exists!!!!! You're translation is just another version of the KJV version.See, here is the thing, I will show you 14 scriptures and you will show 2- I would say the onus is on you to make your 2 fit with my 14. Yep, John 3:16 Believe in Jesus- what did Jesus teach? He taught that sin cannot enter heaven. How do you wash away sin? Baptism. Ephesians 2:8-9 Simple. Of course it is not your doing!! Did you send your son to die on the cross? Did you master plan salvation?? NO!! So, of course it was a gift and we had nothing to do with it, through the grace of God there is a way to be saved. Jesus taught that baptism saved and his followers did as well, they passed in on so many times that it is just ridiculous that poeple with any kind of comprehension- if you can read a comic book you can figuire out the bible. I have proven you wrong on every front, and the scriptures fit cohesively my way. I am done talking with you because it doesn't help!!! I cannot help you to see, you are too far gone and blinded by the lies. The great thing is, you are still part of the plan- God said people like you would exist in the end times.

haha u are not so good these days...actually the kjv is just a translation of the greek texts. HOw did they come about those? The took all the greek manuscripts and made a kjv.So KJV is nothing more than a translation...a translation that is not exact. Ask anybody of any worth and they will explain why some words are lost in translation. The NASB actually has no part at all with the KJV as the scholars went back to the greek in order to write it...so wrong agian Again do yall see how he has avoided every question? I gave him 6 questions and instead of answering them (for he cant) he proceeds to call me names hoping yall wont notice. No it is not up to me to prove anything the verses are quite clear...our salvation comes through faith alone...its not a difficult concept there isnt really any room to wiggle and u dont explain it but instead yell and hope nobody notices you dont have any answersIt also appears ur conception of the cross is wrong...Why was Jesus on the cross? To pay for the sins of man. IT IS BY THE CROSS THAT ARE SINS ARE WASHED AWAY. but hey...ur right..everybody else in the world is wrong and only ur right lois hahahahaYou have said u proved me wrong? how and when? i have yet to see anyting of any worth from you..just a lot of yelling and no substance. Its alright..everybody sees it. Good luck

[speedz99 145]

It also appears ur conception of the cross is wrong...Why was Jesus on the cross? To pay for the sins of man. IT IS BY THE CROSS THAT ARE SINS ARE WASHED AWAY. but hey...ur right..everybody else in the world is wrong and only ur right lois hahahahaYou have said u proved me wrong? how and when? i have yet to see anyting of any worth from you..just a lot of yelling and no substance. Its alright..everybody sees it. Good luck

The bolded points in there are scary because I think you really believe them.Let me end this argument...religion is what you make of it. There are no right or wrong answer.Actually, the right answer is that religion was created to keep the masses in check, and is based on a compilation of real people and ancient myths...but that's another thread.Hi Vatche. I've posted twice today...sorry for being a hypocrite.

[Akward 0]

that would be abbott and costello, and don't insult abbott and costello

Whoa, that's akward.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

That's a new translation- there are very few places where God direclty addresses honosexuals, and it aint in that scripture. The term " homosexual offenders" was never in the original text but your churches think that you are all too stupid to comprehend, so they put that in there instead of what is really said. Offhand I can think of one scripture where he addresses homosexuals explicitly" Men with men, working that which is unseemly in the yes of God ." Got to be honest, though, this is one argument where I think Extreme Christians have gone too far- sin is sin, and it's as simple as that- it's not a reason in Jesus eyes to treat a person differently or with the hatred that some treat homosexuals. Free from the old law, bound to a new law. Don't forget that part.

This is an issue that makes me furious as well. We have too many "Christians" that show up at gay pride rallies with signs that say, "AIDS cures Fags," or, "Burn in Hell." I wonder what Jesus himself would think of all this? What would Jesus do if he was at one of these rallies and saw this? My guess: he would open his arms to the gays and lesbians and offer comfort and grace, to the self-righteous, I believe he would absolutely chastise them. There is evidence in the New Testament that the only times when Jesus became angry towards people was when he was yelling at the religious leaders who felt that they were better than every one else. I think that if he attended a gay rally he would act in much the same way if so-called Christians were wrongly speaking for him. Do those false Christians not understand the whole, "Thou shall not Judge," part? The Bible doesn't offer a ranking system for sins. It doesn't say that cursing is worse than lying, or stealing is worth than gossip. It doesn't say that having homosexual activity is akin to murder or rape. I work with homosexuals on a daily basis and am fine with it. It is NOT MY JOB to tell them what is right or wrong for them. That's God's job. If they have a personal relationship with God, then they will have convictions about whatever they are conflicted about. In my opinion, it really comes down to PERSONAL conviction. Gambling for me is a job. For others, it might be a sin if it consumed their lives and they developed an addiction. I don't have a sexual addiction either. I can be in a room with 10 other women and not worry about what I might do. However, if I had a sexual addiction it would be WRONG of me to even allow myself to be in that situation. Same with drugs. I have never done one and never will. I could be in a room full of drugs and it won't "tempt" me at all. However, for a recovering drug addict, that's a place he just doesn't need to be. I know my personal convictions and what I need to worry most about: vanity, gossip, jealousy, boastfullness, and pride. Those are weak areas for me, but they might not be a worry at all to others. Everyone has their own set of specific demons that will trigger sin. Recognizing that, and doing something about it is one way to recieve grace. I'm not trying to be "preachy," I'm just sharing my thoughts and telling you how I see things. Based on scripture, I don't see one iota of a difference between pre-marital STRAIGHT sex and pre-marital homosexual sex.

[chrozzo 19]

...Based on scripture, I don't see one iota of a difference between pre-marital STRAIGHT sex and pre-marital homosexual sex.

Leviticus 18:22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.I agree with most of everything you said DN, but I think this demonstrates a pretty strong difference.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

If as Christians we are the children of God and He loves us like His dear children, would not He want us to enjoy all the good things He has placed on this earth for us to enjoy. God wants us to have nice things. Think about heaven, the streets are made of gold and gates of pearls in Heaven. God is RICH God and we are His offspring. It is in our blood to desire to live as royalty. Embrace it, don't be scared of it. Do you not want your children to be successful, and live a full life, lacking no good thing? Does God love us any less? God owns everything, and it His pleasure to bless us. The key is that we must not seek these things directly. He must be first. His will must be first. "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these other things shall be added unto you." How is the gospel going to be preached throughout all the world if Christians have no money? How we are going to be a blessing if we are not blessed? The Bible says that the "love of money is the root of all evil", not money. Money only magnifies what we already are, for good or for bad. Make no mistake about it, the devil wants you poor. He doesn't want to be of any use to the kingdom of God. Why would God only want the wicked to have the money, that just doesn't make sense. We are here to rule and to reign. Jesus Christ set us free from the power of death and darkness. He said He came so what we could have life and have it in abundance. We are called to use this freedom to love and serve others being a witness for Jesus and what He has done for us. We can have all want, as long as these "things" don't have us, and we are using all for God's glory and to expand His kingdom.

This post was very valuable IMO. I've never heard anyone come at it from this angle but it brings up some very interesting points and questions. If ALL Christians had no money and lived in poverty, Satan would rule the Earth. Money is a necessary tool to do God's work in this world. God also writes that some people will be rich and others will be servants. He doesn't condemn the rich, he only warns them that they will have more tempation to be led astray.

[SunDrop 0]

Leviticus 18:22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Lie could just mean sleep. Also, really what is an abomination?