FoxwoodsPro 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I have been making my living at poker for close to 3 years now, I have other obligations (not a job) that I must take care of during the day. So, what do I do I go to cardplayer.com and FCP and read close to 10 poker articles a day. ( I suggest going to cardplayer.com looking at archives and looking up johny chan and DN's archive articles, very instrumental) I find myself killing the foxwoods 2-4 NL games and MTT's , but when I play 2-4 NL online and MTT's online my plays are sometimes to sophisticated to work, it appears to play online like Mike Matusow says you must "dumby up" your play. Would you agree with that and to what extent?ADVICE- GO TO CARDPLAYER.com ARCHIVES pick a number of various topics from elite authors and players and improve your game and bankroll.J Link to post Share on other sites
rwood 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 i totally agree with foxwoods pro. my background is i began playing a little over 3 years ago, .5/1.00 limit hold em, and .1/.25 NL on party. i cleared bonuses and such. i am in college and now play 5/10 most of the time, along with some PLO and NL. Daniels articles were INSTRUMENTAL in my maturing as a player. i now play weekly in b & m's and daily online. i feel that playing online you must be more attentive to each table. i usually play 4 tables at a time, without using gametime and such. knowing your players when playing live is much easier due to the fact you are playing at one table, and have very few distractions around you. whereas on your computer you can check ebay, forums, watch tv, and check your sportsbook all while multitabling...this can be very detrimental if you are seated at a table with a few tricky players. NO tv NO distractions online, know who to value bet against, and such. i also feel online is more straightforward poker. people get the clicking syndrome, and tend to be crazier than in b & m's. in a B & M the players are loose and sometime there will be one or two live ones, these players seem to appear more frequently online. def. take fwpro's advice and read ALL of danny's articles, also jim brier's articles are great for limitremember all you NL players, improving your limit game will in turn improve your NL game, so read the brier articles, they are money! anyways good luck at the tables...hope you could take somethign from my ramblingscheers. ryan. Link to post Share on other sites
stealfromblind 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 excuse this retarded question, but how do you do a search by author on cardplayer.com? Link to post Share on other sites
FoxwoodsPro 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 click card player magazine then you can search by author and subjectJ Link to post Share on other sites
rwood 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 foxwoods, i see that you are browsing this topic at the same time as i, cheerio old chap Link to post Share on other sites
rbakken2504 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I agree completely, you cannot make very many creative or sophisticated plays against online opponents as they either dont care, arent aware enough, or are just plain bad. I also find it very easy, at least at the games I play online, to make/save money preflop. The games I play almost NOBODY will reraise preflop without AA or KK, therefore, its easy to save money, or flop a set cheaply and bust these hands. I find there to be many differences in online play from live, other t han the obvious. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 lol. i love it.i can't beat online players cause they are so bad. but in live games i kill the competition and it's so much better!are you kidding?lets think this through...better players = harder to beat.now everyone knows that online games are tougher than your typical low limit, to middle limit live game....i've not played high limit so I can't say...but seriously...wow.here's a thought, and not specifically for you foxwoods:maybe you can't beat online games cause you are so used to playing shitty live players that 'you' can't adapt to better play and aren't as good as you think...hmm.i'm sure there are many things, not just one that attribute to losing online...a few being physical tells, etc...but come...if you are going to make a post about live vs online, atleast think it out a bit better....not cause your 'plays are too sophisticated'.online it is 'easier' to call though, cause it's just a click of a button...but that is also good for you as well...and if you are 'smart' you should be able to use that to your advantage online. dont' use your super 'sophisticated' plays if they aren't working.it's not that hard to think 'outside' the box i dont think.yar- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 It's almost universally accepted that live play is significantly worse than online.If you thought you were beating a live game for XBB/100 hands and you thought online games were easier, would it at all makes sense to play live? 4 tabling, you see roughly 10 times as many hands per hour. And the rake is smaller. And you can get rakeback.It's not even close.But if you think it is, then i suggest you do it.Because if you're beating 10/20 live for a living wage and you do as well (on a hand per hand basis) online, you should be able to make a few hundred dollars an hour multi tabling the 10/20 games online. Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 foxwoods doesnt spread 2-4 nl. just sayin Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I agree with Jordan completely.Those who think that they can't beat online players but can beat live players and think it's because the online players are less sophisticated are really really delusional. That's the straight, bitter truth.And it is simply not true that online players can't lay down hands. Many can't - and these are the easiest players to beat because (in LHE) you value bet them to death since they will call with bottom pair no matter what the action is or what the board looks like. I scour the limit tables SEARCHING for players like this but frankly they aren't as easy to find as they used to be.In NLHE, players who can't lay down a hand are EVEN EASIER to beat because you can easily trap them for all their chips when you have a monster.From the stories I've heard (I don't play much live because I live far from a casino) most live players at most casions in North America are pretty bad players. In fact I've heard of dozens of people who claim to be winning players live and losers or break-even players online, but I've never come across a player who claims they are a winning player online and a loser live.That should tell you something. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Im sure there are people who win online but are down live. It's just somewhat less likely.I mean, live play is just so ridiculously slow paced that it would take months of play to build up a reasonable hand sample. Getting 35 hands an hour, you're pulling off 5k hands a month playing full time.I suspect that quite a few live pro's are actually just mediocre players who've been running well, quit their day jobs, and managed to continue running well for a while. When they inevitably run worse than they ever thought possible, you just stop hearing from them and they get a job selling street meat at a nearby intersection. And then the next one steps up to the batters box, convinced of his excellence. Link to post Share on other sites
FoxwoodsPro 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 You all make some solid points but the fact remains I'm a big winner in live games at FW, and def not a big winner online. Me saying I am not a big winner online does not mean I have not made over $500 a day. It means that my deposits definately outweigh my withdrawals. Which is certainly not the case with live play. See I really didn't need to post this topic because I knew the answer. Distractions, lack of concentration, making big unnecessary bets I would not normally make are all components to my online troubles. You should not play poker if you are not on your best game and even though Ive made many final tables and won a large amount of money in a short period of play online I am still not playing my best poker in the best mind set. Therefore, it is simple play only at FW. After all, it is how I pay the bills. p.s.---- 2-4 NL at FW has some JUICY games, with many donks. Dont just assume that people who play at the casino are solid and cautios. That is certainly not the case.JOh ya and Jordan Stfu Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 How much do you buyin for in this "2-4" Nl game? Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 How much do you buyin for in this "2-4" Nl game?i thought foxwoods only had 1/2 NL and the 5/5 NL. Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 i thought foxwoods only had 1/2 NL and the 5/5 NL.They dont have 2-4, but apparently he kills that game... Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 foxwoods has experimented with several NL structures in the past yearabout a year ago, all that was regularly spread was a 1/2 $100 max buy-in and a 5/5 no-max buy-ini think they had 2/4 with a $400 max buying for a few monthsnow they regularly offer 1/2 and 5/5 in addition to 2/5 where the buy-in must be between $300 and $500 and a 10/25 with no max buy-insometimes there are even bigger games Link to post Share on other sites
FoxwoodsPro 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 I meant 2-5 sorry for the typo. Yes I played limit for a year and a half and havent played it since. I also do not play 5-5 anymore because theres no reason to do so. Instead of buying in for 800-1000 at 5-5 and haveing people with more thank 10K at the table I buy in for the max at 2-5. Having the opportunity to win over between 500-1000 in a 6 hour session is plenty for my living expenses and "poker" lifestyle. Link to post Share on other sites
mclark340 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I have been making my liver at poker for close to 3 years now, I have other obligations (not a job) that I must take care of during the day. So, what do I do I go to cardplayer.com and FCP and read close to 10 poker articles a day. ( I suggest going to cardplayer.com looking at archives and looking up johny chan and DN's archive articles, very instrumental) I find myself killing the foxwoods 2-4 NL games and MTT's , but when I play 2-4 NL online and MTT's online my plays are sometimes to sophisticated to work, it appears to play online like Mike Matusow says you must "dumby up" your play. Would you agree with that and to what extent?ADVICE- GO TO CARDPLAYER.com ARCHIVES pick a number of various topics from elite authors and players and improve your game and bankroll.JI can see why you play poker...you really need a new liver.On a more serious note:Poker is about reading your opponents and figuring out how to beat them. It does not mean that your moves will always work on all people. The best players learn their opponents and figure out a way to beat them. I am not surprised that some of your sophisticated moves don't work online.There have been numerous posts about online vs. B&M games. I think we can all agree that there are differences (note I did not say one is better than the other).Congrats on your success at Foxwoods. Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I have been making my liver at pokerdang, I hate it when I get beat to the punch line..... Link to post Share on other sites
FoxwoodsPro 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 I have been making my liver at pokerdang, I hate it when I get beat to the punch line..... Sorry I really don't know what your referring too ;)J Link to post Share on other sites
NaturalSelection 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 FWPro, you sir are a clown. A sad, lovable clown maybe but a clown nevertheless... Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Oh ya and Jordan StfuLaugh out loud!- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 You all make some solid points but the fact remains I'm a big winner in live games at FW, and def not a big winner online. Me saying I am not a big winner online does not mean I have not made over $500 a day. It means that my deposits definately outweigh my withdrawals.If your deposits outweight your withdrawls that makes you a loser online...not a "not a big winner". There's a difference.But you do make some interesting points. Link to post Share on other sites
phlegm 6 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Does anyone else get the feeling that fox pro is really a 13 year old with a large poker vocabulary?? Link to post Share on other sites
blakheart 3 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 A legitiamate response to the old tired B@M versus online debate. I think that many B@M players struggle online for a couple of reasons-1. it is easier to get distracted online2. you forget if mld1355 was the guy who likes to check raise or was that some other guy.3. You do not use pokertracker and the other tools available to your competition, therfore you have less info about them then they do about you.Truthfully, I struggled online last year and broke even(ok I won $182, but whatever). This year, recognizing my weaknees (see above) I am in the black online. I made some changes on my game selection.I play almost exclusively MTT's online now. The reason is that I am too lazy to keep track of of who comes in and and out of cash games, and I could never figure out poker tracker. I make myself look up the HH of every hand that goes to showdown so that I can get more information. In other words, I use the tools that are there and try to minimize my weakness. and help me stay focused.I am sure someone else can give other advice about playing online, but there is definately things you can and should do that do not occur to a typical B@M player. And oh yeah, I beat up the low buyin O8/b sit n gos. Those are just too easy. Link to post Share on other sites
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