kobe's going off tonight

[mrdannyg 274]

pippen was underrated. its always "jordan had one good teammate, and a bunch of crap". this is wrong.he had one great teammate, steve kerr, and a bunch of crap.someone should start one of those joke things about chuck norris or jack bauer about steve kerr. like "steve kerr's tears cure cancer. too bad he never cries." i'd laugh.kobe sucks. ok well he's amazing, but an amazing individual player, a couple douche of a teammate and not someone to build a team around.

[princeof56k 0]

I saw this on yahoo and thought I would post it here. Its the highest scoring performances in NBA history above 50 points. Its unbelievable how many times Wilt's name appears.Pts Player, Team Opponent Date=== ============ ======== ====100 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 3/2/1962 81 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Toronto 1/22/2006 78 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 12/8/1961 (3OT) 73 David Thompson, Denver Detroit 4/9/1978 73 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco New York 11/16/1962 73 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 1/13/1962 72 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 11/3/1962 71 David Robinson, San Antonio LA Clippers 4/24/1994 71 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers New York 11/15/1960 70 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Syracuse 3/10/1963 69 Michael Jordan, Chicago Cleveland 3/28/1990 (OT) 68 Pete Maravich, New Orleans New York 2/25/1977 68 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 12/16/1967 67 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 1/11/1963 67 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 2/25/1962 67 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 2/17/1962 67 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 3/9/1961 66 Wilt Chamberlain, LA Lakers Phoenix 2/9/1969 65 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 2/7/1966 65 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 2/27/1962 65 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 2/13/1962 64 Michael Jordan, Chicago Orlando 1/16/1993 (OT) 64 Rick Barry, Golden State Portland 3/26/1974 64 Elgin Baylor, Minneapolis Boston 11/8/1959 63 George Gervin, San Antonio New Orleans 4/9/1978 63 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Philadelphia 11/26/1964 63 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 12/14/1962 63 Jerry West, LA Lakers New York 1/17/1962 63 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers Philadelphia 12/8/1961 (3OT) 63 Joe Fulks, Philadelphia Indiana 2/10/1949 62 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Dallas 12/20/2005 62 Tracy McGrady, Orlando Washington 3/10/2004 62 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Philadelphia 3/3/1966 62 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 11/15/1964 62 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco New York 1/29/1963 62 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Syracuse 1/21/1962 (OT) 62 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 1/17/1962 (OT) 62 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Boston 1/14/1962 61 Shaquille O'Neal, LA Lakers LA Clippers 3/6/2000 61 Karl Malone, Utah Milwaukee 1/27/1990 61 Michael Jordan, Chicago Atlanta 4/16/1987 61 Michael Jordan, Chicago Detroit 3/4/1987 (OT) 61 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco St Louis 12/18/1962 61 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Syracuse 12/11/1962 61 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 11/21/1962 61 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 2/28/1962 61 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 2/22/1962 61 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 12/9/1961 61 George Mikan, Minneapolis Rochester 1/20/1952 (2OT) 60 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Orlando 2/12/2005 60 Tom Chambers, Phoenix Seattle 3/24/1990 60 Larry Bird, Boston Atlanta 3/12/1985 60 Bernard King, New York New Jersey 12/25/1984 60 Wilt Chamberlain, LA Lakers Cincinnati 1/26/1969 60 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 12/29/1961 60 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 12/1/1961 59 Michael Jordan, Chicago Detroit 4/3/1988 59 Purvis Short, Golden State New Jersey 11/17/1984 59 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 2/11/1964 59 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 12/6/1963 59 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco St Louis 12/2/1962 59 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 11/18/1962 59 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco New York 10/30/1962 59 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 2/8/1962 59 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 12/25/1961 (2OT) 59 Jack Twyman, Cincinnati Minneapolis 1/15/1960 58 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Houston 1/15/2002 (OT) 58 Michael Jordan, Chicago New Jersey 2/26/1987 58 Fred Brown, Seattle Golden State 3/23/1974 58 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 2/13/1967 58 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco New York 12/15/1964 (OT) 58 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 1/24/1963 58 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Detroit 11/8/1961 58 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Detroit 11/4/1961 58 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 2/25/1961 58 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 2/21/1960 58 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Detroit 1/25/1960 57 Jerry Stackhouse, Detroit Chicago 4/3/2001 57 Michael Jordan, Chicago Washington 12/23/1992 57 Reggie Miller, Indiana Charlotte 11/28/1992 57 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta Chicago 12/10/1986 57 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta New Jersey 3/18/1978 57 Purvis Short, Golden State San Antonio 1/7/1984 57 Adrian Dantley, Utah Chicago 12/4/1982 57 Calvin Murphy, Houston New Jersey 3/18/1978 57 Rick Barry, San Francisco Cincinnati 10/29/1966 57 Rick Barry, San Francisco New York 12/14/1965 57 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Chicago 11/10/1962 57 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 12/19/1961 57 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 10/20/1961 57 Bob Pettit, St Louis Detroit 2/18/1961 57 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers Detroit 2/16/1961 57 Richie Guerin, New York Syracuse 12/11/1959 56 LeBron James, Cleveland Toronto 3/20/2005 56 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Memphis 1/14/2002 56 Karl Malone, Utah Golden State 4/7/1998 56 Glen Rice, Miami Orlando 4/15/1995 56 Tom Chambers, Phoenix Golden State 2/18/1990 56 Michael Jordan, Chicago Philadelphia 3/24/1987 56 Kevin McHale, Boston Detroit 3/3/1985 56 Kelly Tripucka, Detroit Chicago 1/19/1983 56 Chet Walker, Chicago Cincinnati 2/6/1972 56 Earl Monroe, Baltimore LA Lakers 2/13/1968 (OT) 56 Oscar Robertson, Cincinnati LA Lakers 12/18/1964 56 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Baltimore 12/1/1964 (2OT) 56 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 2/16/1963 (2OT) 56 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 2/7/1963 56 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 10/23/1962 56 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 3/1/1961 56 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Syracuse 3/1/1961 56 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers Syracuse 1/24/1961 56 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 1/21/1961 56 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Syracuse 1/5/1961 56 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 1/2/1961 55 Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Indiana 1/4/2005 55 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Washington 3/28/2003 55 Michael Jordan, Chicago New York 3/28/1995 55 Bernard King, New York New Jersey 2/16/1985 55 Adrian Dantley, Utah Denver 2/6/1981 55 George Gervin, San Antonio Atlanta 1/23/1980 55 Rick Barry, Golden State New York 3/25/1978 55 Rick Barry, Golden State Philadelphia 1/23/1975 55 Nate Archibald, Cincinnati Portland 2/23/1972 55 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Boston 12/10/1971 55 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 3/14/1964 55 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 11/2/1963 55 Cliff Hagan, St Louis Cincinnati 2/11/1962 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 1/30/1962 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 1/24/1962 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 1/7/1962 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Detroit 12/20/1961 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 12/10/1961 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Syracuse 11/9/1961 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Syracuse 10/27/1961 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 2/5/1961 55 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 11/12/1959 55 Elgin Baylor, Minneapolis Cincinnati 2/25/1959 54 Damon Stoudamire, Portland New Orleans 1/14/2005 54 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Milwaukee 12/18/2004 54 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Cleveland 1/6/2001 54 Michael Jordan, Chicago LA Lakers 11/20/1992 (OT) 54 Michael Adams, Denver Milwaukee 3/23/1991 (OT) 54 Michael Jordan, Chicago Cleveland 11/3/1989 (OT) 54 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta Boston 3/3/1987 (OT) 54 Alex English, Denver Houston 11/19/1985 54 Dave Bing, Detroit Chicago 2/21/1971 54 Elvin Hayes, San Diego Detroit 11/13/1968 54 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 3/1/1963 54 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Chicago 11/9/1962 54 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 1/18/1962 54 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Detroit 12/12/1961 53 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Atlanta 12/23/2005 53 Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Houston 12/02/2004 (OT) 53 Allan Houston, New York LA Lakers 2/16/2003 53 Tim Duncan, San Antonio Dallas 12/16/2001 (OT) 53 Tony Delk, Phoenix Sacramento 1/2/2001 (OT) 53 Michael Jordan, Chicago Detroit 3/7/1996 53 Shaquille O'Neal, Orlando Minnesota 4/20/1994 53 Willie Burton, Philadelphia Miami 12/13/1993 53 Dale Ellis, Seattle Milwaukee 11/9/1989 (4OT) 53 Michael Jordan, Chicago Phoenix 1/21/1989 53 Michael Jordan, Chicago Indiana 4/12/1987 53 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta LA Clippers 1/12/1987 53 Michael Jordan, Chicago Portland 1/8/1987 53 Larry Bird, Boston Indiana 3/30/1983 53 Adrian Dantley, Utah Denver 4/10/1982 53 Moses Malone, Houston San Diego 2/2/1982 53 George Gervin, San Antonio Denver 1/8/1980 53 Gail Goodrich, LA Lakers KC-Omaha 3/28/1975 53 Phil Chenier, Baltimore Portland 12/6/1972 53 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Philadelphia 2/18/1972 53 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Cleveland 2/9/1972 53 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Boston 1/27/1971 53 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Cleveland 11/4/1970 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 3/18/1968 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Seattle 12/20/1967 53 Jerry West, LA Lakers Cincinnati 1/29/1965 53 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Baltimore 1/3/1965 53 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 11/12/1964 53 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco St Louis 11/29/1962 53 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 11/23/1962 53 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 10/28/1962 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 2/1/1962 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Boston 1/27/1962 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Detroit 1/19/1962 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 1/5/1962 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 12/27/1961 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 10/21/1961 53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Boston 2/23/1960 53 George Mikan, Minneapolis Baltimore 2/26/1949 52 LeBron James, Cleveland Milwaukee 12/10/2005 52 Tracy McGrady, Orlando Chicago 2/21/2003 52 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Houston 2/18/2003 (2OT) 52 Michael Jordan, Chicago Charlotte 3/12/1993 52 David Robinson, San Antonio Charlotte 1/16/1993 52 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta New York 12/7/1991 (2OT) 52 Bernard King, Washington Denver 12/29/1990 52 Charles Smith, LA Clippers Denver 12/1/1990 52 Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston Denver 4/19/1990 (OT) 52 Terry Cummings, San Antonio Charlotte 1/31/1990 52 Karl Malone, Utah Charlotte 12/22/1989 52 Michael Jordan, Chicago Orlando 12/20/1989 52 Michael Jordan, Chicago Denver 11/26/1988 52 Michael Jordan, Chicago Philadelphia 11/16/1988 52 Michael Jordan, Chicago Boston 11/9/1988 52 Michael Jordan, Chicago Portland 2/26/1988 52 Michael Jordan, Chicago Cleveland 12/17/1988 52 Bernard King, New York Indiana 11/24/1984 52 Joe Barry Carroll, Golden State Utah 3/5/1983 52 Ray Williams, New Jersey Detroit 4/17/1982 52 Billy Knight, Indiana San Antonio 11/11/1980 52 Mike Newlin, New Jersey Boston 12/16/1979 (OT) 52 George Gervin, San Antonio San Diego 1/11/1979 52 Bob McAdoo, Buffalo Seattle 3/17/1976 52 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Atlanta 1/2/1975 52 Bob McAdoo, Buffalo Boston 2/22/1974 52 Nate Archibald, KC-Omaha Atlanta 1/27/1973 52 Nate Archibald, KC-Omaha New York 1/9/1973 (OT) 52 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Seattle 12/1/1967 52 Rick Barry, San Francisco Chicago 2/16/1967 52 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco New York 11/6/1964 52 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 2/25/1964 52 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 2/18/1964 52 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 2/17/1964 52 Bob Pettit, St Louis Baltimore 11/16/1963 52 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 12/21/1962 52 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers San Francisco 12/15/1962 52 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 1/11/1962 52 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers St Louis 12/13/1961 52 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Boston 12/13/1961 52 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers St Louis 12/11/1961 52 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers Philadelphia 12/8/1961 52 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 2/3/1961 52 Elgin Baylor, Minneapolis Detroit 10/18/1959 52 Bob Pettit, St Louis Boston 1/20/1959 52 George Yardley, Detroit Syracuse 2/4/1958 51 LeBron James, Cleveland Utah 1/21/2006 51 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Sacramento 1/19/2006 (OT) 51 Vince Carter, New Jersey Miami 12/23/2005 51 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Utah 12/20/2004 51 Tracy McGrady, Orlando Denver 11/14/2003 51 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Denver 2/12/2003 51 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Toronto 1/21/2001 (OT) 51 Chris Webber, Sacramento Indiana 1/5/2001 51 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Golden State 12/6/2000 (OT) 51 Antawn Jamison, Golden State LA Lakers 12/6/2000 (OT) 51 Antawn Jamison, Golden State Seattle 12/3/2000 51 Vince Carter, Toronto Phoenix 2/27/2000 51 Michael Jordan, Chicago New York 1/21/1997 51 Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston Boston 1/18/1996 51 Karl Malone, Utah Golden State 12/9/1995 51 Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Denver Utah 12/7/1995 51 Michael Jordan, Chicago Washington 3/19/1992 51 Vernon Maxwell, Houston Cleveland 1/26/1991 51 Patrick Ewing, New York Boston 3/24/1990 51 Alex English, Denver Miami 3/10/1989 (2OT) 51 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta Sacramento 2/16/1988 51 Moses Malone, Philadelphia Detroit 11/14/1984 (OT) 51 Kiki Vandeweghe, Denver Detroit 12/13/1983 (3OT) 51 Moses Malone, Houston Golden State 3/11/1981 51 Adrian Dantley, Utah Denver 1/7/1981 51 Larry Kenon, San Antonio Detroit 3/30/1980 51 Freeman Williams, San Diego Phoenix 1/19/1980 51 Truck Robinson, New Orleans New Jersey 11/21/1978 51 Rick Barry, Golden State Philadelphia 10/29/1977 51 Pete Maravich, New Orleans Phoenix 3/18/1977 51 Pete Maravich, New Orleans Kansas City 12/14/1976 51 Phil Smith, Golden State Houston 12/11/1976 51 Phil Smith, Golden State Phoenix 1/8/1976 51 Bob McAdoo, Buffalo Houston 2/22/1975 51 Rick Barry, Golden State Philadelphia 2/23/1974 51 Geoff Petrie, Portland Houston 3/16/1973 51 Geoff Petrie, Portland Houston 1/20/1973 51 Rick Barry, Golden State Houston 1/17/1973 51 Spencer Haywood, Seattle KC-Omaha 1/3/1973 51 Nate Archibald, KC-Omaha Houston 11/18/1972 51 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Boston 2/13/1972 51 Jerry West, LA Lakers Cincinnati 12/10/1965 51 Jerry West, LA Lakers Cincinnati 12/3/1965 51 Sam Jones, Boston Detroit 10/29/1965 51 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Baltimore 3/14/1965 51 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 3/8/1963 51 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Chicago 3/6/1963 51 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 2/13/1963 51 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers San Francisco 12/14/1962 51 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Detroit 12/7/1962 51 Richie Guerin, New York Boston 2/14/1962 51 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Syracuse 12/26/1961 51 Bob Pettit, St Louis Philadelphia 12/6/1961 51 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 11/19/1961 51 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers Detroit 11/25/1960 51 George Yardley, Detroit Boston 1/15/1958 51 Bob Pettit, St Louis Syracuse 12/21/1957 51 George Mikan, Minneapolis Rochester 1/14/1950 51 George Mikan, Minneapolis New York 3/13/1949 50 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers LA Clippers 1/7/2006 50 Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Portland 1/2/2005 50 Jamal Crawford, Chicago Toronto 4/11/2004 (OT) 50 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Atlanta 11/29/2003 50 Rashard Lewis, Seattle LA Clippers 10/31/2003 50 Jamal Mashburn, New Orleans Memphis 2/21/2003 (OT) 50 Tracy McGrady, Orlando Washington 3/8/2002 50 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Atlanta Detroit 11/23/2001 50 Stephon Marbury, New Jersey LA Lakers 2/13/2001 (OT) 50 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Sacramento 2/6/2000 50 Clifford Robinson, Phoenix Denver 1/16/2000 50 Shaquille O'Neal, LA Lakers New Jersey 4/2/1998 50 Tracy Murray, Washington Golden State 2/10/1998 50 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Cleveland 4/12/1997 50 Michael Jordan, Chicago Miami 11/6/1996 50 Alonzo Mourning, Miami Washington 3/29/1996 50 Dana Barros, Philadelphia Houston 3/14/1995 50 Cedric Ceballos, LA Lakers Minnesota 12/20/1994 50 Jim Jackson, Dallas Denver 11/26/1994 (OT) 50 Jamal Mashburn, Dallas Chicago 11/12/1994 (OT) 50 David Robinson, San Antonio Minnesota 2/21/1994 50 Nick Anderson, Orlando New Jersey 4/23/1993 50 Michael Jordan, Chicago Denver 3/24/1992 50 Bernard King, Washington Utah 3/6/1991 50 Patrick Ewing, New York Charlotte 12/1/1990 50 Larry Bird, Boston Atlanta 11/10/1989 50 Michael Jordan, Chicago Milwaukee 2/16/1989 50 Clyde Drexler, Portland Sacramento 1/6/1989 (2OT) 50 Michael Jordan, Chicago Boston 3/18/1988 50 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta Detroit 3/1/1988 50 Michael Jordan, Chicago Milwaukee 4/13/1987 50 Moses Malone, Washington New Jersey 4/8/1987 50 Michael Jordan, Chicago New York 11/1/1986 50 Larry Bird, Boston Dallas 3/10/1986 50 Bernard King, New York Dallas 2/1/1984 50 Bernard King, New York San Antonio 1/31/1984 50 Kiki Vandeweghe, Denver San Antonio 1/11/1984 50 George Gervin, San Antonio Milwaukee 3/6/1982 (3OT) 50 Bernard King, Golden State Philadelphia 1/3/1981 50 Adrian Dantley, Utah Dallas 10/31/1980 50 Adrian Dantley, Utah LA Lakers 11/27/1979 50 John Drew, Atlanta Denver 12/30/1978 50 John Williamson, New Jersey Indiana 4/4/1978 50 Pete Maravich, New Orleans Washignton 12/26/1976 50 Bob McAdoo, Buffalo Cleveland 11/20/1975 (OT) 50 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee LA Lakers 3/17/1972 50 Pete Maravich, Atlanta Cleveland 2/5/1972 50 Pete Maravich, Atlanta Philadelphia 1/16/1972 50 Walt Wesley, Cleveland Cincinnati 2/19/1971 50 Elvin Hayes, San Diego Seattle 11/20/1970 50 Rick Barry, San Francisco Boston 2/14/1967 50 Rick Barry, San Francisco Detroit 1/14/1967 50 Rick Barry, San Francisco Cincinnati 12/25/1966 50 Rick Barry, San Francisco St Louis 12/8/1966 50 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 12/16/1961 50 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers Syracuse 12/4/1961 50 Jack Twyman, Cincinnati St Louis 2/25/1959 50 Dolph Schayes, Syracuse Boston 2/1/1959 50 Bob Pettit, St Louis Detroit 1/11/1959 50 Neil Johnston, Philadelphia Syracuse 2/16/1954

[PAYforUSC 0]

FSN is showing the replay from last night. the 2nd half just started...whatch Kobe put up 55 in the 2nd half if you're on the west coast!!

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Yeah, apparently, Wilt Chamberlain rocked at basketball at some point. That's why we shouldn't forget history.Like... how Michael Jordan is, was, and always will be the greatest player ever, and Jordan comparisons are what drives that egotistical pr!ck Kobe Bryant to do this goofy nonsense.NBA championships are really won by petty things like offensive rebounds and boxing out... and on a deeper level, team chemistry.One dimensional teams get destroyed in the playoffs.

[Longshanks 0]

kobe will never win anything again with teams like the one he has now, and he wont mind a bit

[jayboogie 0]

If you know about basketball, you know that you do what is needed to help your team win. If it requires you taking 30 or 40 shots a game and to score the majority of your team's points, that's what needs to be done. LA has no other legit scorers on their team, they need Kobe to take as many shot as he does in order to have a shot at winning.Who else is going to score on a consistent basis on that team? Lamar Odom can score a bit, but he's never been a ball demanding type of player, he's an all-around type of player rather than a pure scorer. Odom is a good player, but he's not a guy that's going to drop 20 every game and then the rest of the players are mostly role player types who will score points sometimes, but do the other things out there.LA's been winning ever since Kobe's been on his scoring tear, results speak for themselves. When he's playing at a high level, scoring a lot of points and taking good shots, he makes his team better.You can call Kobe a ballhog if you want, but you could call Jordan the same thing. Great players want the ball in their hands and want to take the big shots. They also feel they can make every shot they take, when you feel you can make every shot, why wouldn't you take a lot?

[CaneBrain 95]

If you know about basketball, you know that you do what is needed to help your team win. If it requires you taking 30 or 40 shots a game and to score the majority of your team's points, that's what needs to be done. LA has no other legit scorers on their team, they need Kobe to take as many shot as he does in order to have a shot at winning.Who else is going to score on a consistent basis on that team? Lamar Odom can score a bit, but he's never been a ball demanding type of player, he's an all-around type of player rather than a pure scorer. Odom is a good player, but he's not a guy that's going to drop 20 every game and then the rest of the players are mostly role player types who will score points sometimes, but do the other things out there.LA's been winning ever since Kobe's been on his scoring tear, results speak for themselves. When he's playing at a high level, scoring a lot of points and taking good shots, he makes his team better.You can call Kobe a ballhog if you want, but you could call Jordan the same thing. Great players want the ball in their hands and want to take the big shots. They also feel they can make every shot they take, when you feel you can make every shot, why wouldn't you take a lot?

The difference is that MJ knew how to dominate the ball properly. It is not a fluke that the Bulls clinched TWO championships when Michael Jordan drew 3 defenders to him with the clock winding down and then had the sense to find a wide open white guy for an open jumper to win the game (see: paxson, john and kerr, steve). Jordan knew that he had to dominate the ball but that didnt mean chucking up bad shots either. You are supposed to take advantage of double teams to keep your teammates involved and get your team easy buckets.I agree the Lakers supporting cast leaves much to be desired. but a good deal of that stems from the fact that nobody wants to play with Kobe anymore.

[Davin 0]

If you know about basketball, you know that you do what is needed to help your team win. If it requires you taking 30 or 40 shots a game and to score the majority of your team's points, that's what needs to be done. LA has no other legit scorers on their team, they need Kobe to take as many shot as he does in order to have a shot at winning.Who else is going to score on a consistent basis on that team? Lamar Odom can score a bit, but he's never been a ball demanding type of player, he's an all-around type of player rather than a pure scorer. Odom is a good player, but he's not a guy that's going to drop 20 every game and then the rest of the players are mostly role player types who will score points sometimes, but do the other things out there.LA's been winning ever since Kobe's been on his scoring tear, results speak for themselves. When he's playing at a high level, scoring a lot of points and taking good shots, he makes his team better.You can call Kobe a ballhog if you want, but you could call Jordan the same thing. Great players want the ball in their hands and want to take the big shots. They also feel they can make every shot they take, when you feel you can make every shot, why wouldn't you take a lot?

The difference is that MJ knew how to dominate the ball properly. It is not a fluke that the Bulls clinched TWO championships when Michael Jordan drew 3 defenders to him with the clock winding down and then had the sense to find a wide open white guy for an open jumper to win the game (see: paxson, john and kerr, steve). Jordan knew that he had to dominate the ball but that didnt mean chucking up bad shots either. You are supposed to take advantage of double teams to keep your teammates involved and get your team easy buckets.I agree the Lakers supporting cast leaves much to be desired. but a good deal of that stems from the fact that nobody wants to play with Kobe anymore.

the kobe hating continueswatch the kings game earlier this week? kobe tried to get his teammates invovled. too bad kwame missed 2 point blank shots, walton was shooting w/ his eyes closed, and kobe sets lamar up for the game clinching 3-pointer w/ 35 seconds left... only to have lamar give the game away the next posession.and you wonder why kobe doesnt trust his teammates. i absolutely hate how everyone is calling kobe a ballhog and how he should set up his teammates more. that's too much to ask from one player. i mean, every one of his teammates is getting paid millions to play a game the rest of us would play for free. it's not kobe's job to develop kwame's or bynam's post skills. it's not his job to teach walton or mihm how to shoot. it's not his job to set up smush or lo for high percentage shots... they all need to develop those skills by themselves. until someone else on that teams shows as much hustle as kobe on the court and in practice/off-season, he will continue shooting out of double and triple teams bc it's the best chance for the lakers to win... plain and simple.

[LAS22 0]

Like him or not, 81 is 81. To be able to do that against an NBA team, even the Raptors is impressive (wouldn't have happened against the Pistons, Heat, Spurs) . More impressive is that he shot a good %.

[KowboyKoop 0]

All this talk about Kobe having "no help" on his team makes me thing...didn't he used to have this one player on his team who just happened to be.....oh..I don't know...THE MOST DOMINANT BIG-MAN IN THE LEAGUE!!!!!?!?!?!??!?! Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....yeah.Also...yeah, they're a DECENT team with him being such looking to score on literally every single possession. Noone is saying they "suck." But basketball ain't about scoring a few nice regular season wins. IT'S ABOUT THE PLAYOFFS. The Lakers MIGHT make the playoffs, but they will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be a championship caliber team until Kobe learns to MAKE HIS TEAM BETTER. Yeah, Kobe doesn't have the greatest talent on his team. Guess what, NEITHER DID MJ!!! Yeah..Pippen was pretty good. But guess what? Perhaps Odom could be pretty good too if Kobe Bryant could make him better. OOPS, he can't. Who else did MJ have?? Luc Longely?!?!?!?! B.J. Armstrong??? Bill Cartwright!?!?!? Ron Harper!??!?! Come on now!!! MJ didn't have great talent either, BUT ME MADE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM INTO PRETTY GOOD PLAYERS ON HIS TEAM!!! MJ could dominate AND win six rings with him as the premeire player. Kobe NEEDED Shaq to win three rings (which is not a slam on him..but not as good as MJ's championship runs), and now that he DROVE HIS BEST PLAYER AWAY, he is content with scoring a ton of points and having a slightly above average team who will never be a championship caliber team. The Lakers have NO SHOT at getting past the Suns, the Pistons, the Spurs, or even the Mavericks or Heat (when Shaq loses a little weight). Noone is saying the Lakers "suck," but we ARE saying that he is NOWHERE NEAR the all around basketball player and teammate that Jordan was. NOWHERE NEAR.

[KowboyKoop 0]

You can call Kobe a ballhog if you want, but you could call Jordan the same thing. Great players want the ball in their hands and want to take the big shots. They also feel they can make every shot they take, when you feel you can make every shot, why wouldn't you take a lot

Uhhh...yeah, people did call Jordan a ballhog. EARLY IN HIS CAREER!! Then, he snapped out of it, turned a decent Scottie Pippen into a near/possible Hall of Famer, and was the main player for six championship rings that probably would have been 7-8 if he had not retired to baseball for a year or so.

i absolutely hate how everyone is calling kobe a ballhog and how he should set up his teammates more. that's too much to ask from one player.

This is pretty typical of a "Kobe lover." Oohhhh..it's too much to "ask" that a player pass the ball and make his team better. Actually, no it isn't. Jordan did it with MAYBE slightly better talent than Kobe is working with now. MAYBE. Jordan's teammates were only better than Kobe's current teammates BECAUSE HE MADE THEM BETTER. Why was Kerr such a great 3-point shooter!?!? Because 90 percent of his shots were WIDE OPEN. Why were they wide open!??! Because Jordan MADE them wide open. It isn't too much to ask from Kobe to make his teammates better. HE IS THE ONE WHO DROVE SHAQ AWAY!!!!! Thus, he wanted to be the only 'star' and 'leader'...and now he is. He is the 'star' and 'leader' for a Lakers team that is worse than the LA Clippers. Good job Kobe. Oh, and uh, nice job scoring 81 points. I hope you are satisfied with that as a career highlight while MJ struggles to lift up his hands because of the weight of all his championship rings..and all his MVP trophies..and all his FINALS MVP trophies!!!

[Jadaki 0]

Buy yourself a piece of kobe history

[Davin 0]

This is pretty typical of a "Kobe lover." Oohhhh..it's too much to "ask" that a player pass the ball and make his team better. Actually, no it isn't. Jordan did it with MAYBE slightly better talent than Kobe is working with now. MAYBE. Jordan's teammates were only better than Kobe's current teammates BECAUSE HE MADE THEM BETTER. Why was Kerr such a great 3-point shooter!?!? Because 90 percent of his shots were WIDE OPEN. Why were they wide open!??! Because Jordan MADE them wide open. It isn't too much to ask from Kobe to make his teammates better. HE IS THE ONE WHO DROVE SHAQ AWAY!!!!! Thus, he wanted to be the only 'star' and 'leader'...and now he is. He is the 'star' and 'leader' for a Lakers team that is worse than the LA Clippers. Good job Kobe. Oh, and uh, nice job scoring 81 points. I hope you are satisfied with that as a career highlight while MJ struggles to lift up his hands because of the weight of all his championship rings..and all his MVP trophies..and all his FINALS MVP trophies!!!

steve kerr won the 3-point shootout in 1997. he was a pure shooter that would have been 40% from beyond the arc on any other team in the league as well. enough saidin jordan's 6 championship seasons, he averaged 4.9 assists per game. in his 6 years prior, he averaged 5.6... there goes that theory (btw... kobe is averaging 4.3, which is more than jordan's avg during his 2nd 3-peat)jerry west had to choose between kobe or shaq... it was his decision to pick kobe. kobe's just entering into the prime of his career. for christ's sake, he's only 27. when jordan was 27, he had only 1 mvp trophy, no finals mvp's or championship rings. kobe is well on his way to an mvp this year and hopefulling a few finals showing in a couple of seasonso... one last thing. jordan led the league in shot attempts 10 times, so he clearly wasnt a ballhog just early in his career.

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jerry west had to choose between kobe or shaq... it was his decision to pick kobe. kobe's just entering into the prime of his career. for christ's sake, he's only 27. when jordan was 27, he had only 1 mvp trophy, no finals mvp's or championship rings. kobe is well on his way to an mvp this year and hopefulling a few finals showing in a couple of seasons

Jerry West was already in Memphis when Shaq was traded, he had nothing to do with it.

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Kobe's currently 27 years old, and he has three rings. You know how many rings Jordan had at age 27? Zero! When Jordan was 27, everybody said he was just a ballhog that would never be able to win in the playoffs. Meanwhile, Kobe's done the team thing and won three titles already. If he had personal problems with the other star in town and got him sent away, big deal. So he can be the kingpin for a couple years, then bring in some decent help, and still have time to win a bunch more rings later on.I'm not saying he's a more accomplished player than Jordan now, but there's no reason to think that he couldn't end up being one. It seems like he's playing a lot better now that he's comfortable with his teammates, and there's no reason to think he couldn't improve more over the next few years. Get him a JJ Redick to hit the open three and a half-decent center, there's no reason, he couldn't win another four or five titles.Also, for people that say Kobe's a ballhog, he only jacks up all these shots when it helps the team. When he lit up Dallas for 62 in three quarters, the Lakers were up 32 when he left the game. When he scored 55 in the second half against Toronto, he turned an 18 point deficit into an 18 point victory. Everybody knows that Kobe was 28-46 against the Raptors, but what know one notices is that his teammates were a combined 14-42 in a game where they should have been wide open every time they shot. Kobe didn't take over the game because he wanted to score a lot of points; he took over the game because it was the Lakers best chance to win.

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jerry west had to choose between kobe or shaq... it was his decision to pick kobe. kobe's just entering into the prime of his career. for christ's sake, he's only 27. when jordan was 27, he had only 1 mvp trophy, no finals mvp's or championship rings. kobe is well on his way to an mvp this year and hopefulling a few finals showing in a couple of seasons

Jerry West was already in Memphis when Shaq was traded, he had nothing to do with it.

mitch kupchak then

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This is pretty typical of a "Kobe lover." Oohhhh..it's too much to "ask" that a player pass the ball and make his team better. Actually, no it isn't. Jordan did it with MAYBE slightly better talent than Kobe is working with now. MAYBE. Jordan's teammates were only better than Kobe's current teammates BECAUSE HE MADE THEM BETTER. Why was Kerr such a great 3-point shooter!?!? Because 90 percent of his shots were WIDE OPEN. Why were they wide open!??! Because Jordan MADE them wide open. It isn't too much to ask from Kobe to make his teammates better. HE IS THE ONE WHO DROVE SHAQ AWAY!!!!! Thus, he wanted to be the only 'star' and 'leader'...and now he is. He is the 'star' and 'leader' for a Lakers team that is worse than the LA Clippers. Good job Kobe. Oh, and uh, nice job scoring 81 points. I hope you are satisfied with that as a career highlight while MJ struggles to lift up his hands because of the weight of all his championship rings..and all his MVP trophies..and all his FINALS MVP trophies!!!

steve kerr won the 3-point shootout in 1997. he was a pure shooter that would have been 40% from beyond the arc on any other team in the league as well. enough saidWinning an exhibition 3-point contest means he would have shot 40% for any team!??! Well...no. But here are the numbers for Kerr on teams OTHER than the Bulls. He was a 42.1% 3-point shooter and averaged 4.3 points per game. With the Bulls, he was a 47.8% 3-point shooter and averaged 8.2 points per game. Here is my source.http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_kerr/So..basically..Kerr was a MUCH better player with Jordan. Coincidence?? I think not. in jordan's 6 championship seasons, he averaged 4.9 assists per game. in his 6 years prior, he averaged 5.6... there goes that theory (btw... kobe is averaging 4.3, which is more than jordan's avg during his 2nd 3-peat)This is a good point. However, Jordan STILL had better assist numbers, and there are A LOT more ways to make your teammates better than just assists. Such as generally running a smoother offense, rebounding, defense (steals and blocks leading to easy transition pts.) etc. And in EVERY one of these categories, Jordan's numbers are better. Again, the ONLY number that Kobe holds over Jordan in 3-point shooting percentage, .333 to .327. .......jerry west had to choose between kobe or shaq... it was his decision to pick kobe. kobe's just entering into the prime of his career. for christ's sake, he's only 27. when jordan was 27, he had only 1 mvp trophy, no finals mvp's or championship rings. kobe is well on his way to an mvp this year and hopefulling a few finals showing in a couple of seasonsAnd why did Jerry West "have" to choose between the two!?!?!?! Oh, that's right, Kobe "wasn't getting enough shots" and wanted this to be "his team only." Yeah....that's a good teammate who is definitely focused on the good of the team. Please....yeah, IF West truly had to choose, then yes, Kobe is much younger. BUT he should never have had to choose...but he did b/c Kobe is extremely selfish. Everyone knows it. o... one last thing. jordan led the league in shot attempts 10 times, so he clearly wasnt a ballhog just early in his career.

Noone said he DIDN'T lead the league in shots. But...he also won six rings with not much more talent than Kobe has. Pippen wasn't really THAT great....see his work when he left the Bulls as evidence of that. He was decent....but not a "great" player to have as a team's "second star" or whatever. Jordan got a lot of shots, but he did so within the offense and..OH YEAH..had a 6 championship dynasty that was briefly interruped only because he wanted to play minor league baseball for a bit. Again, NOONE is saying Kobe sucks. NOONE is saying he isn't a great player. He is a great player and likely one of the best players of all time. However, Michael Jordan was flat out the best all around player OF ALL TIME. Kobe is near that level as a pure scorer, but NOWHERE CLOSE to being the all around player Jordan was. Kobe is a great player, will be a hall of famer, and is perhaps the best scorer in the NBA today. However, he needs to become a MUCH better all around player if he wants to lead a team BY HIMSELF to the championship. He did it while leaning on Shaq, which is great, but he wanted to show that he can do it himself, and flat out, he has shown that he can't. Maybe he'll change over the years...but I doubt it.

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Kobe's currently 27 years old, and he has three rings. You know how many rings Jordan had at age 27? Zero! When Jordan was 27, everybody said he was just a ballhog that would never be able to win in the playoffs.

Uhhhh...didn't Kobe have a certain player who was...oh..I don't know..THE MOST DOMINATING FORCE PERHAPS IN LEAGUE HISTORY!!. Shaq was the main force on that team, without him, those Lakers aren't anywhere close to a championship team. Yeah, it's great that Kobe won those rings, but he wasn't the 'star' or 'leader' or even the '#1 option on that team.' If Jordan had had a big man like that early in his career, he probably ends up with 8, 9, or 10 rings. Again...Jordan ended up with 6, and Kobe ain't getting more than 3 until he gets a lot more talent. Jordan's Bulls teams didn't have much more talent than Kobe's current Lakers. Jordan just made it work. Kobe can't do that.

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Noone said he DIDN'T lead the league in shots. But...he also won six rings with not much more talent than Kobe has. Pippen wasn't really THAT great....see his work when he left the Bulls as evidence of that. He was decent....but not a "great" player to have as a team's "second star" or whatever. Jordan got a lot of shots, but he did so within the offense and..OH YEAH..had a 6 championship dynasty that was briefly interruped only because he wanted to play minor league baseball for a bit.

Can we change this to a Pippen discussion now? Because he was one of my favorite players. Look at the first year after Jordan's retirement and tell me he wasn't that great. From NBA.com's bio:"For his part, the former Central Arkansas star enjoyed his finest statistical year as a pro, notching career bests in scoring (22.0 ppg), rebounding (8.7 rpg), and steals (2.93 per game). He was also selected to start in his third NBA All-Star Game (his fourth overall appearance). Pippen outshone all other All-Stars with 29 points, 11 rebounds, and 2 assists and won the game's Most Valuable Player Award. Pippen finished the season ranked eighth in the league in scoring, second in steals, and 19th in assists. He led the Bulls in all three categories, ranked second on the team in rebounding, and led Chicago in scoring 50 times, in assists 35 times, and in rebounding 29 times. At season's end he was named to the All-NBA First Team and the NBA All-Defensive First Team. Perhaps the greatest testament to Pippen's abilities (and those of Coach Phil Jackson) was the fact that the Bulls finished at 55-27 and reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals despite not having Jordan on their roster."

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Noone said he DIDN'T lead the league in shots. But...he also won six rings with not much more talent than Kobe has. Pippen wasn't really THAT great....see his work when he left the Bulls as evidence of that. He was decent....but not a "great" player to have as a team's "second star" or whatever. Jordan got a lot of shots, but he did so within the offense and..OH YEAH..had a 6 championship dynasty that was briefly interruped only because he wanted to play minor league baseball for a bit.

Can we change this to a Pippen discussion now? Because he was one of my favorite players. Look at the first year after Jordan's retirement and tell me he wasn't that great. From NBA.com's bio:"For his part, the former Central Arkansas star enjoyed his finest statistical year as a pro, notching career bests in scoring (22.0 ppg), rebounding (8.7 rpg), and steals (2.93 per game). He was also selected to start in his third NBA All-Star Game (his fourth overall appearance). Pippen outshone all other All-Stars with 29 points, 11 rebounds, and 2 assists and won the game's Most Valuable Player Award. Pippen finished the season ranked eighth in the league in scoring, second in steals, and 19th in assists. He led the Bulls in all three categories, ranked second on the team in rebounding, and led Chicago in scoring 50 times, in assists 35 times, and in rebounding 29 times. At season's end he was named to the All-NBA First Team and the NBA All-Defensive First Team. Perhaps the greatest testament to Pippen's abilities (and those of Coach Phil Jackson) was the fact that the Bulls finished at 55-27 and reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals despite not having Jordan on their roster."

Wasn't this one year?????? You may be right. I may be underestimating Pippen a little bit. He was a pretty solid NBA player. The point I am trying to make is perhaps Kobe could turn Odom into something like Pippen was if he knew how to. Kobe doesn't make his teammates better like Jordan did, and he isn't NEAR the all around player than Jordan was. That is all I am trying to say. I'm not trying to "bash" Pippen and say he was 'overrated,' I am just saying he wasn't a "great NBA player," and I still think that holds true. He was pretty good, but not great, IMO.

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Wasn't this one year?????? You may be right. I may be underestimating Pippen a little bit. He was a pretty solid NBA player. The point I am trying to make is perhaps Kobe could turn Odom into something like Pippen was if he knew how to. Kobe doesn't make his teammates better like Jordan did, and he isn't NEAR the all around player than Jordan was. That is all I am trying to say. I'm not trying to "bash" Pippen and say he was 'overrated,' I am just saying he wasn't a "great NBA player," and I still think that holds true. He was pretty good, but not great, IMO.

Sure it was one year, but the majority of his career was spent with Jordan. You can't just look at the last few years of his career and say that is indicative of the type of player he was. The years in Houston and Portland were beyond his prime and he was injured a lot. IMO, Pippen was the perfect "2nd star" because he would do all the little things and could also score a lot of points when Jordan was having an off night. And he could guard anybody. Maybe he didn't deserve a top 50 all-time recognition, but I think he was a great player.The problem with Lamar Odom is that Odom needs to have the ball in his hands a lot. He's a unique player because he's a 4 that can bring the ball up and create for other players. Unfortunately, Kobe also does all that and he's much better than Odom, so Odom is going to lose that battle. Kobe shouldn't defer to Odom. The Lakers should try to trade Odom for Artest.(And, just as a reminder, I believe MJ > Kobe.)

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Get him a JJ Redick to hit the open three and a half-decent center, there's no reason, he couldn't win another four or five titles.

I can think of a couple reasons to GUARANTEE that he won't win "another four or five titles."This man is only 29.This man is only 21.This man's team is going to be a force for years. This person likes to pass the ball. It is called an assist. A-S-$-I-S-T. Assist. This group of players have their own little dynasty going..and they also will be a force for years. Why are they all sitting on the bench!?! Oh, that's right, they win every game by 20 points and don't even need to play at the end of most games. Oh, yeah, and they completely demolished Kobe and Shaq's Lakers a couple years ago. You think Kobe and J.J. Reddick will be able to do better????

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Wasn't this one year?????? You may be right. I may be underestimating Pippen a little bit. He was a pretty solid NBA player. The point I am trying to make is perhaps Kobe could turn Odom into something like Pippen was if he knew how to. Kobe doesn't make his teammates better like Jordan did, and he isn't NEAR the all around player than Jordan was. That is all I am trying to say. I'm not trying to "bash" Pippen and say he was 'overrated,' I am just saying he wasn't a "great NBA player," and I still think that holds true. He was pretty good, but not great, IMO.

Sure it was one year, but the majority of his career was spent with Jordan. You can't just look at the last few years of his career and say that is indicative of the type of player he was. The years in Houston and Portland were beyond his prime and he was injured a lot. IMO, Pippen was the perfect "2nd star" because he would do all the little things and could also score a lot of points when Jordan was having an off night. And he could guard anybody. Maybe he didn't deserve a top 50 all-time recognition, but I think he was a great player.The problem with Lamar Odom is that Odom needs to have the ball in his hands a lot. He's a unique player because he's a 4 that can bring the ball up and create for other players. Unfortunately, Kobe also does all that and he's much better than Odom, so Odom is going to lose that battle. Kobe shouldn't defer to Odom. The Lakers should try to trade Odom for Artest.(And, just as a reminder, I believe MJ > Kobe.)

A. I know you believe MJ > Kobe. This is a diff. discussion, I know.B. I don't disagree with you too much about Pippen. You say he was a "great" player. And I say he was a "really good player, but just not quite 'great." Not too much difference there, so I'm not sure if it's really worth arguing about. C. Also, I'm not saying Odom should be the "same player" as Pippen, but I do think he could do a lot more for that team than he is currently doing, and if Kobe wants to be this to be "his team" (which is why he drove Shaq out), then he needs to make that happen. Yeah, trading Odom for Artest would be a good move for them for what Artest brings on the court, as long as they can keep him somewhat under control in terms of 'off court distractions.' We don't disagree on very much at all on this. I'm not trying to start an argument with you..and I know the same is true for you as well.

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A. I know you believe MJ > Kobe. This is a diff. discussion, I know.B. I don't disagree with you too much about Pippen. You say he was a "great" player. And I say he was a "really good player, but just not quite 'great." Not too much difference there, so I'm not sure if it's really worth arguing about. C. Also, I'm not saying Odom should be the "same player" as Pippen, but I do think he could do a lot more for that team than he is currently doing, and if Kobe wants to be this to be "his team" (which is why he drove Shaq out), then he needs to make that happen. Yeah, trading Odom for Artest would be a good move for them for what Artest brings on the court, as long as they can keep him somewhat under control in terms of 'off court distractions.' We don't disagree on very much at all on this. I'm not trying to start an argument with you..and I know the same is true for you as well.

A. Just wanted to emphasize because I was arguing the Kobe side.B. Fair enough.C. I think Phil handled Rodman fairly well, so Artest might work. Of course, Phil's handling of Rodman had a lot to do with Jordan's influence as well and Kobe doesn't have that same influence. The daily practice battles between Kobe and Artest would be something though, two very competitive and intense guys.Noted, we're on the same page here...

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A. I know you believe MJ > Kobe. This is a diff. discussion, I know.B. I don't disagree with you too much about Pippen. You say he was a "great" player. And I say he was a "really good player, but just not quite 'great." Not too much difference there, so I'm not sure if it's really worth arguing about. C. Also, I'm not saying Odom should be the "same player" as Pippen, but I do think he could do a lot more for that team than he is currently doing, and if Kobe wants to be this to be "his team" (which is why he drove Shaq out), then he needs to make that happen. Yeah, trading Odom for Artest would be a good move for them for what Artest brings on the court, as long as they can keep him somewhat under control in terms of 'off court distractions.' We don't disagree on very much at all on this. I'm not trying to start an argument with you..and I know the same is true for you as well.

A. Just wanted to emphasize because I was arguing the Kobe side.B. Fair enough.C. I think Phil handled Rodman fairly well, so Artest might work. Of course, Phil's handling of Rodman had a lot to do with Jordan's influence as well and Kobe doesn't have that same influence. The daily practice battles between Kobe and Artest would be something though, two very competitive and intense guys.Noted, we're on the same page here...

It would definitely be interesting to see a Kobe/Artest tandem. I personally am not sure if it would work....BUT if they did happen to click together, they could make a pretty powerful duo.