crazykid13 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I'm currently writing a paper for my college English class about the current craze over poker. My thesis is that poker, if played properly, is one of the few forms of gambling where skill can replace luck like many other forms of gambling. I was just curious if anyone here has a good quote or a good thought about this. Either those who agree or disagree (although if you did...I don't know why you would be a member of this site) If you do...just pm or reply with your words of wisdom. I will gladly read all comments, and give credit to whomever's quotes I decide to use. Thank you for your time. Link to post Share on other sites
ronnieburger 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 poker is riggedyou can quote me Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 reply with your words of wisdomturn pro/make millions Link to post Share on other sites
Sushiman 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 The wisdom of Tommy Angelo: http://www.tommyangelo.com/tommyisms.html Link to post Share on other sites
Vogelb5 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 "If it wasn't for luck, I'd win every one." haha, sorry had to do it.Paper actually sounds interesting, you sound copy and paste it onto here at some point.. or just some interesting parts you wrote.If I can find/think of anyone I'll give a real response. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
Vogelb5 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 "If it wasn't for luck, I'd win every one." haha, sorry had to do it.Paper actually sounds interesting, you sound copy and paste it onto here at some point.. or just some interesting parts you wrote.If I can find/think of anyone I'll give a real response. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
bubbles 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 1. Loaded dice2. Marked cards3. Creating a site called PokerStarsAll help remove the Luck factorWearing clean underwear is just a sound general policy! Link to post Share on other sites
teneight 1 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 "honey!honey! I was suppose to go broke that hand. But the thing they don't know about me is, I can dodge bullets BABY!" Link to post Share on other sites
FileError404 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 The wisdom of Tommy Angelo:http://www.tommyangelo.com/tommyisms.htmlThanks a lot for that one Must be Yogi's cousin... Link to post Share on other sites
crazykid13 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 I think I should use the Helmuth reference...maybe counter argue that by Tritz and his "I don't think Pokerstars is rigged....but.........." Ha...keep this stuff coming...with this quality of stuff...no way I don't 4 point...and as for the picture...I approve...but pictures aren't allowed...but for my final research paper, I am doing it exclusively on Online Poker. I'll include pictures and pie charts...I'll go crazy with that...crazy as only crazykid could do... Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 What's the assignment? Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 What's the assignment?Sorry that's kinda vague. Did the teacher assign you to write about poker or was there a broader topic that your paper fits under? Link to post Share on other sites
crazykid13 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 The assignment was just to write a well constructed position paper between 3 and 5 pages in length. We were allowed to choose our own topic. So I chose poker. It's something I did last semester. Last year I had to write an essay that gave step by step instructions on how to do something. A process essay if you will. Mine was how to bluff at a low stake, no limit live cash game. 4 pointed that easily. So I figured why not write about poker...she said we should pick a topic that interests us. Any other ?'s...feel free to ask. Link to post Share on other sites
gmanshade 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 http://www.gutshot.com/articles/449.html Link to post Share on other sites
wax120 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 What about the Mike McD quote from Rounders that goes something like, "Why do you think the same 5 guys end up at the final table in the World Series of Poker EVERY YEAR. What are they, the luckiest five guys in Las Vegas?" While this is of course untrue (especially now with huge fields), you could point to the statistical improbabilities of Dan Harrington's accomplishments in the main event to make a point about the absence of luck.By the way, I don't know what inspired that Nathalie Portman picture going up on this thread, but I appreciated it. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 If I were writing that paper, I wouldn't focus so much on the gambling aspect of it, I think that your main argument should be between the differing viewpoints of poker, how some feel it is actual "gambling" (luck), but that it is actually a game of skill. You could prove it mathematically, that might get kinda boring, so maybe throw in some anecdotes of some big hands that you have won (assuming you play for money), and I think you have a good start. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 This thread, especially the Natalie Portman pic, has renewed my faith in the minions here. :)Mark Link to post Share on other sites
crazykid13 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 If I were writing that paper, I wouldn't focus so much on the gambling aspect of it, I think that your main argument should be between the differing viewpoints of poker, how some feel it is actual "gambling" (luck), but that it is actually a game of skill. You could prove it mathematically, that might get kinda boring, so maybe throw in some anecdotes of some big hands that you have won (assuming you play for money), and I think you have a good start.This is what I'm doing...the paper doesn't go in depth about other forms of gambling, but rather starts off explaining the recent craze of poker. And yes...the mathematical factor is mentioned...but limited...don't want to bore my prof. And I am mentioning those who are convinced it's just another form of gambling, as well as explaining the view of those who see it as more of a mathematical equation...where skill overlapses luck in the long haul.Yes...I play for real money. I've been playing poker for about 6 years now. I've been focusing on omaha h/l for the last two. I am debating describing a personal hand history...due to the constraints of length. Describing my thought process...my reads...the pot odds...and all of the tactics used...that could get to be lengthy to explain for a complete amateur. But I do appreciate the input...thanks AO...and others...I'll check in later to see what else everyone says before I place the finishing touches on it...thanks again...By the way, I don't know what inspired that Nathalie Portman picture going up on this thread, but I appreciated it.Amen sir...amen... Link to post Share on other sites
erac22 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 First of all, I would like to say that I am incredibly jealous. YOu got to write a paper on poker for your english class? damn. I'm in an english class, and I just wrote a 10 page paper on comparing the antagonist in A Little Princess to the antagonist in "Baa Baa Black Sheep." Stupidest class ever. DOn't know why i took it. Anyway, I would simply mention that in not other casino game or gambling in general can you possibly get your money in with an 80 percent chance to win. The most EV+ casino game i think is blackjack, and there you don't even have 50 percent. Bu good luck. and again, I am jealous. Link to post Share on other sites
opie 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 You wrote: My thesis is that poker, if played properly, is one of the few forms of gambling where skill can replace luck like many other forms of gambling.Yes, I believe that poker requires skill. However, there are other forms of gambling that involve skills also. Horse racing is betting that you can pick the winner of a horse race with more skill than the other bettors. Counting cards in blackjack is a skill that reduces the luck factor. When I'm golfing, I'm much more likely to make a bet with someone who has less skill than I do. Roulette requires no skill. Slot machines require no skill. The lottery is basically all luck (although I'm seen some so-called systems). Video poker requires skill to know what you are doing or you will lose more than you should. Keno and craps require no skill - although you could claim that some bets are worse than others, so there is some minor skill in avoiding the REALLY bad bets.In many forms of gambling, the particpant makes some decision. In most forms of gambling, there is some luck involved. I would suggest in your paper that you clearly define what you mean by luck and what you mean by skill.Peace,Opie Link to post Share on other sites
SapphireTiger 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 what kind of awesome class is this? Link to post Share on other sites
NickG 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 You'll shoot your eye out. Link to post Share on other sites
crazykid13 0 Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 I'm only still awake because Houston doesn't want to score... Yes, I believe that poker requires skill. However, there are other forms of gambling that involve skills also. Horse racing is betting that you can pick the winner of a horse race with more skill than the other bettors. Counting cards in blackjack is a skill that reduces the luck factor. When I'm golfing, I'm much more likely to make a bet with someone who has less skill than I do.Ok...let me put it this way...since I count cards in BJ as well...In every other form of gambling...unless I'm having a late night brain fart...Tell me one game...especially at a Casino...where a bluff factor is involved...where you don't need to beat the dealer or the house to win...?Sure...skill is involved in most gambling forms...but let's take golf...You will never win a game of golf if you have more strokes than him...That is what I mean by skill outweighs luck...My paper explains this...I'll post it when it's done...And I have my tin foil hat and flame proof suit ready...Just in case...You never know...That is all for now Link to post Share on other sites
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