Bubba83 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Ultimate Bet 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP2 with K:heart:, A:club:. 2 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG+2 calls.Flop: (17 SB) Q:diamond:, 2:spade:, 4:club: (4 players)SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, SB folds, UTG+2 folds.Turn: (9.50 BB) 8:club: (2 players)MP1 bets, Hero calls.River: (11.50 BB) 2:diamond: (2 players)MP1 bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 13.50 BBVillain is mostly Loose Passive, but seems to perk up this hand. Could I have played this differently? Folded anywhere?Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Raise the flop. Call a 3-bet. Fold the turn to any aggression. If your flop raise is called, and checked to you one the turn, bet out. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 I don't like that line at all, what is he possibly going to cap with that i'm ahead of unless we both have AK? I'm being too aggressive with this line to hopefully split a pot and most likely I'm behind and will just lose more with this line. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Raise the flop. Call a 3-bet. Fold the turn to any aggression. If your flop raise is called, and checked to you one the turn, bet out. I don't like that line at all, what is he possibly going to cap with that i'm ahead of unless we both have AK? I'm being too aggressive with this line to hopefully split a pot and most likely I'm behind and will just lose more with this line.What if villan calls flop raise and leads turn?I say we fold the turn; otherwise I like how OP played it.AK usually won't cap, unless suited.Far more likely they have JJ-AA.Given you passive read, I really don't see AK Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 AK isn't a hand that I want to show down UI when the pot is capped pre-flop against a reasonable opponent. Raise the flop...the hand plays differently then.The way you played it, fold the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I don't like that line at all, what is he possibly going to cap with that i'm ahead of unless we both have AK? I'm being too aggressive with this line to hopefully split a pot and most likely I'm behind and will just lose more with this line.If that's your thinking then you should just be folding the flop. Calling down is your worst option here...what could you possibly beat? At least by raising the flop you either slow the villain down or save a big bet. Link to post Share on other sites
waldo 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 what hand can you beat on the river, he capped it preflop, so he doesnt have KJ or AJ, and every other hand beats you, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, every other pocket pair, you cant beat AQwhat did you think he had when you were calling?you even said he was passive and all of a sudden he caps it, comeon man, use some common sense Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Raise the flop. Call a 3-bet. Fold the turn to any aggression. If your flop raise is called, and checked to you one the turn, bet out.Speedz,Why do you want to raise the flop?Would you raise a small gutshot here? If not, you had better not raise this flop either. We are drawing to six outs at best here. There's no real need to clean up outs.Bubba, given that this guy is passive, I'd fold the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 I called on the turn still trying to hit an ace or a king, which may have been a mistake since some of those could definitely be dirty. I called the river because I felt like it was reasonable enough we could tie with AK considering how big the pot was. Given my rather passive read, he quite possibly should have slowed down with AK on the turn, so maybe it was a bad call, but I'd rather just fold the turn now that I look back I think. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I called on the turn still trying to hit an ace or a king, which may have been a mistake since some of those could definitely be dirty. I called the river because I felt like it was reasonable enough we could tie with AK considering how big the pot was. Given my rather passive read, he quite possibly should have slowed down with AK on the turn, so maybe it was a bad call, but I'd rather just fold the turn now that I look back I think.I think you're call on the turn was fine, even though your outs are dirty. Remember, he may still have AK. If he does, he'll likely check on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I think in general you should fold ak when you miss the flop UNLESS you're the aggressor. Link to post Share on other sites
Sushiman 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Well how passive is the guy? Does he have high standards for capping? The flop doesn't tell you much since any hand that capped will do a continuation bet here. You have two overs and two runner draws. I raise the flop and ditch to a threebet or if he leads the turn. Checking down is definitely bad. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I think in general you should fold ak when you miss the flop UNLESS you're the aggressor.I realize it's a generalization, but that's still bad advice.What do you put him on for the cap preflop, and how many outs do you have, and is the pot big enough to chase those outs?That is the eternal question in limit with overcards. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I think in general you should fold ak when you miss the flop UNLESS you're the aggressor.I realize it's a generalization, but that's still bad advice.What do you put him on for the cap preflop, and how many outs do you have, and is the pot big enough to chase those outs?That is the eternal question in limit with overcards.I gave that advice because most people overplay ak. I think the best way to get value from it is to play it when it hits and fold it when it doesn't against an aggressor (especially if the aggressort capped it preflop). Link to post Share on other sites
princeof56k 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 what hand can you beat on the river, he capped it preflop, so he doesnt have KJ or AJ, and every other hand beats you, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, every other pocket pair, you cant beat AQwhat did you think he had when you were calling?you even said he was passive and all of a sudden he caps it, comeon man, use some common senseDoesnt he have to call the river with 12.5 BB in the pot when it gets to him? While I probably wouldnt take this hand to the river, I usually call with any pair or Ace high if its heads up on the river and the pot is over 10 BB. You would be very suprised by the moves some people make when the pot gets large. Link to post Share on other sites
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