heads-up sng's

[TheWynn 0]

Nl HU SnG's are a joke

I agree. I've been messing around with them a little bit lately. I've been successful, but I think it's purely luck. People going all in to steal the $15 in blinds is a bit over the top. What does everyone think of Duece McAllister as my number one fantasy football pick last night? #5 overall, after LT, Alexander, Holmes, and Edge.

Not good choice considering the state of the New Orleans Saints (Katrina), should have looked elsewhere. Possibly looking at Mgahee or even possibly Peyton or Daunte. Just a thought

[feedmykids 0]

well yeah if you play 10 buck buy ins they're a jopke. Playing higher the profit can get nice. BTW, you cant 4 table heads up (or I can't) but 2 tabling is possible. Your point about expected profit is well taken though, multi tabling limit games is more profitable I'm sure, but I really just don't like doing that. It's such a grind. I find heads up NL to be more stimulating to the brain (some will disagree, but thats why there are many different forms of poker). Maxing out your profit is good, but having fun is important (to me) as well.

[DruDowner 0]

Tell you what Douchebag!When you don't post threads like this:Hello is anyone interested in $100 at Full Tilt for $100 at Poker Stars, I would need you to transfer me the money and I'd transfer you the money at full tilt. I will send it first. ThanksThan i might believe what you're saying. or follow it up withthis:"where else do they allow 18 year olds to play"So in conclusion, I do not believe you. And i think you're a complete waste of space.

you got served.

[missIdaho 1]

Sorry Royal I normaly agree with you on things, but HU SnGs aren't just about luck. I find most people who say that just aren't very good at it. There is a great deal of startegy involved.

Miss Idaho. i love you. But to say there is more strategy involved in NL HU SnG's is not true.Heads up limit matches are heavily weighed in strategy favour.DN is a great nl tournament player. Any idea why his matches are Pot Limit with fixed blinds?

I agree with you that limit does take more strategy. That shouldn't even be debated as far as I am concerned. I just think too many players discount NL HU as just a card catching game. There is strategy involved. Alot more startegy than most players think.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Sorry Royal I normaly agree with you on things, but HU SnGs aren't just about luck. I find most people who say that just aren't very good at it. There is a great deal of startegy involved.

Miss Idaho. i love you. But to say there is more strategy involved in NL HU SnG's is not true.Heads up limit matches are heavily weighed in strategy favour.DN is a great nl tournament player. Any idea why his matches are Pot Limit with fixed blinds?

I agree with you that limit does take more strategy. That shouldn't even be debated as far as I am concerned. I just think too many players discount NL HU as just a card catching game. There is strategy involved. Alot more startegy than most players think.

well of course!.. i'm not arguing that. It does take more skill than WAR.I'm just arguing that the profit, per hours played in ratio to your BR is crap.P.S, wanna make out?

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

Sorry Royal I normaly agree with you on things' date=' but HU SnGs aren't just about luck. I find most people who say that just aren't very good at it. There is a great deal of startegy involved.[/quote']Miss Idaho. i love you. But to say there is more strategy involved in NL HU SnG's is not true.Heads up limit matches are heavily weighed in strategy favour.DN is a great nl tournament player. Any idea why his matches are Pot Limit with fixed blinds?

I agree with you that limit does take more strategy. That shouldn't even be debated as far as I am concerned. I just think too many players discount NL HU as just a card catching game. There is strategy involved. Alot more startegy than most players think.

well of course!.. i'm not arguing that. It does take more skill than WAR.I'm just arguing that the profit' date=' per hours played in ratio to your BR is crap.[b']P.S' date=' wanna make out?[/[/b']quote]WTF? Turn my back for one minute. She may be Miss Idaho, but I was Mr Salad Tosser 2003.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Hey. you're one to talk. i see the stuff you say to Renaedawn.I thought this was a open ended relationship.. u know., any end thats open is fair game?

[missIdaho 1]

well of course!.. i'm not arguing that. It does take more skill than WAR.I'm just arguing that the profit, per hours played in ratio to your BR is crap.P.S, wanna make out?

Well...WAR might take a little more skill than NL HU but we can debate that another time :wink: For a player like you I can believe the ratio to your BR would make it not worth your time. For players that don't have large amounts of time to play, it can be profitable. I've built up most of my BR playing NL HU. And about making out...........it depends. Do I have to wait in line behind Ron_Mexico?

[Royal_Tour 0]

And about making out...........it depends. Do I have to wait inline behind Ron_Mexico?no no.. You can have the front side, and ron will be behind. :shock: wait.. i've said too much. damn. unless you're into that sort of thing?

[missIdaho 1]

And about making out...........it depends. Do I have to wait inline behind Ron_Mexico?no no.. You can have the front side, and ron will be behind. :shock: wait.. i've said too much. damn. unless you're into that sort of thing?

Sorry, a threesome with two guys and a girl just isn't right. There are somethings I just don't want to see. :shock:

[Royal_Tour 0]

ya.. you're right.I guess I can stick with just you and I.. oh and i'm aware of your attempt to side step the make out session. I'm not falling for it. I'm relentless. we'll make out like our plane is going down.

[Aaron213 0]

Don't post here often (at all really), but thought this was where I could provide some positive advice. I exclusively play Heads up SnGs, and find them quite profitable. Here is a better idea of the percentages. At Paradise Poker, each SnG takes approximately 15 minutes (and take even less at the lower limits).At a $20 limit, with a win rate of 65% and a rake of 5%, this averages out to +EV of $5.00 per game or $20 per hour. At a $20 limit, with a win rate of 75% and a rake of 5%, this averages out to +EV of $9.00 per game or $36 per hour. Continuing to the higher limits, At a $200 limit, with a win rate of ONLY 55%, just barely winning more than losing, and a rake of 5%, this averages out to +EV of $10.00 per game or $40 per hour. And the best part of all of this, is that the swings are extremely low. If you lose 5 games in a row, which takes an extreme amount of bad luck, if you are averaging a 75% win rate, you only lose $100, which you would on average win back in 3 hours.

[missIdaho 1]

ya.. you're right.I guess I can stick with just you and I.. oh and i'm aware of your attempt to side step the make out session. I'm not falling for it. I'm relentless. we'll make out like our plane is going down.

Ok...next time I'm in Ontario, I'll look you up.

[CaneBrain 95]

Nl HU SnG's are a joke

I agree. I've been messing around with them a little bit lately. I've been successful, but I think it's purely luck. People going all in to steal the $15 in blinds is a bit over the top. What does everyone think of Duece McAllister as my number one fantasy football pick last night? #5 overall, after LT, Alexander, Holmes, and Edge.

No offense, but I hate that pick. First of all, you should have snagged Manning, he was a steal at #5. I would have recommended snagging Manning at #5 and then taking Cory Dillon on the flipside for your next pick. I think Dillon will put up similar if not better #s than Duece.

Agree wholeheartedly with hoosier....not picking manning was a HUGE mistake. However, if Dillon is still around at pick 16 that would be amazing luck....dillon should NOT last that long.....you might get ahman green or kevin jones at 16....they would be good there.

[gmanshade 0]

i agree and disagree, but enjoy this discussion.like the other guy said, you can be a great great player, and wear the opponent down to 30% of his stack - but instantly he can be be back to 60% or more with an all in that you had to call at 60% vs 40% in your favor. and then he's right back in it -- AND then the b linds are huge by that point so it's tougher to finish him off.

This can be annoying, but think about it: is it really that bad a position to be in to be 60/40 to win the match and EVEN IF you lose to still have a reasonable chance to win? You lose, have a 5 or 6 to 1 chip disadvantage, and still come back in some cases. It can be frustrating playing SNGs (I play a lot of $5 and $10 ones on stars) when you have bad luck in allin situations where you have a marginal advantage--but of course in the long run you will in good shape doing this. The break even point for playing NL SNGs is only 52.5% (rake is only .50 for $10 games) and if you give the sense that you are reckless while playing reasonably it is very easy to win in the 60% range and above. It is true that if the match lasts up to the 200/400 blinds level, and you don't have a massive chip advantage (say you have 1700 he has 1300), then there is a lot of luck involved. But in that-worst case-scenario it is still a coin flip which is not terrible.

[jeremyb311 0]

Ok. Gents. You all seem to be missing the big picture here.We are poker players who enjoy making money at this.All your percentages are crap.let me break it down.lets get player X. he plays 10 + 1 HU SnG'she wins 65% of the time.he plays 100 hu SnG's. costing him 1000.00 + 100.00 = 1100.00he wins 65% of them 1300.00 profit of 300 - 100.00 rake fee = profit of 200.00.Lets say player X is able to play 8 a day. which is reasonable. considering some can take 5 mins. some may take an hour .so that works out to 12.5 days. round up to 13 days because he had to go shopping.so 13 days at a profit of 200.00 = 15.00 dollars a day!. for 8 $10.00 SnG'seach daynow if you play 80.00 worth of SnG's you could have been multi tabling 3 .25/.50 limit tables, and only need a 30BB/day for all the tables combined to get the same results.also to add. if your BR is large enough to play 80.00 a day, you can easily bump this up to play 1/2 limit, or even .25/.50 NL,which will give you a much higher profit then HU SNG'sand that is why i say its a Jopke

You are an idiot, I have built an online roll of 5k in less than a month playing exclusively NL heads up matches. I started at $50, then went to $100, now I am playing $200 at Full Tilt. Believe me there is a lot of money in it.

Yes, the beauty of online forum posting...The ability to lie about your bankroll. I'll give it a shot.The other day I turned $0.67 cents into $77,000, had sex with heidi klum, opened my own casino, and was the first man to walk on mars. Sounds way better than 8 monotonous hours of work, rubbing one out, and playing 4/8 limit. Good BS research on mister millionaire. CheersJB

[Ti54 0]

Actually it is quite possible to make a profit at HU matches.I find that the higher up you go in limits the more consistent your winning percentage becomes. As long as you have good skills, I think you would actually prefer to play a good player rather than a fish in HU. I have no doubt that limit hold 'em HU takes more skill than NL, but as someone already said in my hijacked thread there is no market for them.I used to play 10+.50 and 20+1 HU on pstars and my winning percentage was around 61-62%. Nowadays I play $100 and $200 HU and my winning percentage is around 68%. I usually double-table HU games and double-table the 5-10 NL on pstars and I try to get in 35 HU matches per day. I am fairly consistent and can usually expect to see a better profit from the HU than I do from the ring games, but that is partly because I only pay a whole lot of attention to the ring games when I have very good starting cards since HU requires so much constant concentration.NL Heads-up is luck in any one given match, but if you play someone 100 matches in a row skill will win out.

[BACKDRAFT999 0]

I usually do pretty well until I move up to $1000+30 Hu sngs and dominate play then lose a $1600 pot with AK to AJ then 2 pots later have ur aces cracked by A8. PokerStars Tournament #11948386, No Limit Hold'emBuy-In: $1000.00/$30.002 playersTotal Prize Pool: $2000.00 Tournament started - 2005/08/30 - 19:30:29 (ET)Tournament finished - 2005/08/30 - 19:49:42 (ET) 1: jamie2000 (las vegas), $2000.00 (100%) 2: C Monty (Sugar Land), You finished in 2nd place (eliminated at hand #2460793765).55 hands played and saw flop:- 19 times out of 27 while in small blind (70%)- 21 times out of 28 while in big blind (75%)- 0 times out of 0 in other positions (0%)- a total of 40 times out of 55 (72%)Pots won at showdown - 7 out of 11 (63%)Pots won without showdown - 16

[koa 0]

I ve played HU tourneys for the last two weeks full time 80 hours .... 40 in the $50 dollar games and just moved up to the $100 dollar games. Basically the goal is to win at least 56% or more to be make decent profit long term .... ideally you want 58% and above. If you win 60% at $100 HU tourney your talking about $38 bucks an hour which comes out to nearly $80, 000 a year. And games do not last an hour they can but on average it is about 20 minutes. But the best thing about HU tourney is that, if you are a winning player you should be taking home profit every week and not encounter the swings of cash game player also your bankroll does not have to be so deep.

[JBradburn6 0]

Haha you got burned. Someone found the "search for all posts" button. Royal you rule.Hug it out,SnowmannnEntourage is the shit, one of if not the best show on TV right now.Let's hug it out bitch.

[HtotheNootch 0]

Nl HU SnG's are a joke

I agree. I've been messing around with them a little bit lately. I've been successful, but I think it's purely luck. People going all in to steal the $15 in blinds is a bit over the top. What does everyone think of Duece McAllister as my number one fantasy football pick last night? #5 overall, after LT, Alexander, Holmes, and Edge.

No offense, but I hate that pick. First of all, you should have snagged Manning, he was a steal at #5. I would have recommended snagging Manning at #5 and then taking Cory Dillon on the flipside for your next pick. I think Dillon will put up similar if not better #s than Duece.

Agree wholeheartedly with hoosier....not picking manning was a HUGE mistake. However, if Dillon is still around at pick 16 that would be amazing luck....dillon should NOT last that long.....you might get ahman green or kevin jones at 16....they would be good there.

I've got Manning, Harrison and Reggie Wayne on my team.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I ve played HU tourneys for the last two weeks full time 80 hours ....  40 in the $50 dollar games  and just moved up to the $100 dollar games.  Basically the goal is to win at least 56% or more to be make decent profit long term .... ideally you want 58% and above. If you win 60% at $100 HU tourney your talking about $38 bucks an hour which comes out to nearly $80, 000 a  year.  And games do not last an hour they can but on average it is about 20 minutes.  But the best thing about HU tourney is that,  if you are a winning player you should be taking home profit every week  and not encounter the  swings of cash game player also your bankroll does not have to be so deep.

No. you and the others are missing the point.You cannot play 100Hu matches with 100.00 to your name. You would need at least 2k in there for any sort of brutal down swing u might go through that way you can lose 10 in a row and still be sitting fine to play another one.sooo. what i'm saying is it is more profitable to multi table at full ring games at a higher than micro limit level.sure. if you win 60% of hu matches. eventually u will show strong profit., but SnG format is lame, and it doesnt profit as much as 4 tabling NL tables.

[Jordan 1]

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[CaneBrain 95]

Nl HU SnG's are a joke

I agree. I've been messing around with them a little bit lately. I've been successful, but I think it's purely luck. People going all in to steal the $15 in blinds is a bit over the top. What does everyone think of Duece McAllister as my number one fantasy football pick last night? #5 overall, after LT, Alexander, Holmes, and Edge.

No offense, but I hate that pick. First of all, you should have snagged Manning, he was a steal at #5. I would have recommended snagging Manning at #5 and then taking Cory Dillon on the flipside for your next pick. I think Dillon will put up similar if not better #s than Duece.

Agree wholeheartedly with hoosier....not picking manning was a HUGE mistake. However, if Dillon is still around at pick 16 that would be amazing luck....dillon should NOT last that long.....you might get ahman green or kevin jones at 16....they would be good there.

I've got Manning, Harrison and Reggie Wayne on my team.

I had the 7th pick out of 10. Normal pt. scoring. Positions were:2 QBs, 3 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, 1 DEF, 1KGot: McGahee, then Rudi Johnson, then Wayne, then rolled the dice with Vick, then Lamont Jordan, Shockey, Stokeley, Ravens D, Larry Fitzgerald, S. McNair.Of course I got Volek and matt schaub in the late rounds as insurance. Like my team....I think I got two RBs in the beginning who fell too far....plus I think I got Lamont as a steal in the 5h and Fitzy/McNair as steals late.Key to winning it all will be Vick though....need him to just be above average.

[Othafa9 0]

All I know is, that "The Hulk" smashes puny humans.