It's Time To Be Nice..........

[steve7stud 0]

A few years ago, I e-mailed Daniel about a hand that I played in a high stakes no limit tournament. It was fairly deep, and I was one of the chip leaders. I looked down to find Ace King. A player raised in front of me and I pushed all in. Another player who had NOTHING invested in the pot, but had roughly the same amount of chips that I did, went all in himself with Q 10 off. The orignal raiser folded. This is not the Phil Hellmuth story, don't worry, lol. As luck would have it, a queen hit the flop and I busted out. I got up, said nice hand, and walked away completely furious. Later that night, I sent Daniel an e-mail talking about how bad my luck was, complaining, etc, etc, etc. Instead of consoling me, he put a few things into perspective. Things that had nothing to do with my silly beat, or poker in general. He talked about world issues, things that REALLY matter. Obviously, I've grown up quite a bit since that last discussion. Not only has my game changed, my opinions of others have as well. The point that I'm trying to make here is. Be confident in YOUR game. Bad beats will happen. Sometimes you will give them, and sometimes you will get them. But be nice, and keep things in perspective. I have noticed way too much arguing on this post. Some of it is just nasty. But more importantly, IT'S BAD FOR POKER! Debating is good, it stimulates the mind and gets the juices flowing. But some people on here, just attack, attack, attack. I don't want to mention any names. But you should know who you are. Let this be a forum where people can speak freely and openly, without the fear of ridicule. There is enough hatred in this world, be happy that you get to do something that you love on a daily basis. If you don't love it, don't do it. It's that simple. Good luck to all of you.

[Mister Hand 0]

That's odd. I emailed Daniel about world issues once, and all he talked about was how I misplayed the hand. :wink: You make a good point. It would be nice if we could avoid some of the flame wars that are all too common on the rgp site.

[Smasharoo 0]

Paragraphs are your friend.That thing's unreadable.Seriously.I mean, I skimmed it and got the pointless name dropping and ego stroking but I think I missed the main idea if there was one.

[tekn0wledg 0]

Paragraphs are your friend.That thing's unreadable.Seriously.I mean, I skimmed it and got the pointless name dropping and ego stroking but I think I missed the main idea if there was one.

*cough*

[Mandelbrot 0]

Let this be a forum where people can speak freely and openly, without the fear of ridicule.

Amen.

[kook04 0]

Paragraphs are your friend.That thing's unreadable.Seriously.I mean, I skimmed it and got the pointless name dropping and ego stroking but I think I missed the main idea if there was one.

Let's see... The post was about being nice, and you were a total dick, so yeah, I think you missed the main idea too. At least you rocognize that much.

[speedz99 145]

I've been reading these posts for a while, and I just joined up. I agree that we should stick to poker and drop the personal attacks. I just wonder why you take those people seriously. For example, Smasharoo obviously knew exactly what the first post was about, he (or she) just wanted to be an ******* to be funny. I'm not sure if people like that realize that it's only funny to them, and to the rest of us it's only worth about 2 seconds of annoyance. Anyways, I do have to say that of all the sites I've been considering jumping in on, this is by far the best.

[Smasharoo 0]

You're right, my sense of humor leans towards the biting.I'll make an effort to be more polite.

[ErikM 0]

I've been reading these posts for a while, and I just joined up.  I agree that we should stick to poker and drop the personal attacks.  I just wonder why you take those people seriously.  For example, Smasharoo obviously knew exactly what the first post was about, he (or she) just wanted to be an ass to be funny.  I'm not sure if people like that realize that it's only funny to them, and to the rest of us it's only worth about 2 seconds of annoyance.  Anyways, I do have to say that of all the sites I've been considering jumping in on, this is by far the best.

no it was funny to me too...You know... I can't believe that you guys are poker players and are this sensative.Sheeesh.Although i do agree with the post... bad beats happen, just focus on making good plays all the time and they won't bother you.

[AvoidReality 0]

I've been reading these posts for a while, and I just joined up.  I agree that we should stick to poker and drop the personal attacks.  I just wonder why you take those people seriously.  For example, Smasharoo obviously knew exactly what the first post was about, he (or she) just wanted to be an ass to be funny.  I'm not sure if people like that realize that it's only funny to them, and to the rest of us it's only worth about 2 seconds of annoyance.  Anyways, I do have to say that of all the sites I've been considering jumping in on, this is by far the best.

no it was funny to me too...You know... I can't believe that you guys are poker players and are this sensative.Sheeesh.Although i do agree with the post... bad beats happen, just focus on making good plays all the time and they won't bother you.

Beat me to it damn you!

[Atlas 0]

if nobody replies to attacks then the only people they'll be talking to is themselves. don't add fuel to the meaningless fire; laugh and move on.good post.

[steve7stud 0]

After reading some of the responses, I want to add a few things. When I started playing poker seriously, it was not nearly as accepted as it is now. We didn't have internet card rooms, so I had to play in traditional casinos. To this day, I still play primarily play in traditional casinos. When two people are face to face, the comments that are made are MUCH different than what you will hear on this site or during internet play. It's easy to sit behind a computer and bash away at someone for hours on end. While you might think it's funny, you're scaring away the very people who provide a healthy income to winning players. Typically, people don't mind losing, if they play recreationally, and are having fun doing it. I really have no idea how much experience everyone on this board has playing poker, or whether they play online, or in b&m casinos. But, any winning player will tell you, never make the game of poker an unpleasant experience for those around you. It should be common sense. This has nothing to do with what I think is or isn't funny. This has to do with the survival of poker, and the ability to constantly bring new players to the game. I think people take life too seriously in general. BUT poker is now a luxury, and that wasn't always the case. Just try and GENUINELY help people on this board if they have questions. I promise you, it's better for poker, and it's better for your bank roll. TJ Cloutier said something to the effect of, stop calling new players dead money at the WSOP. He made a very valid point, and one that I think those who ridicule should think about. Good Luck.

[Smasharoo 0]

Let me politely disagree.Most new players I run into are playing specifcally BECAUSE they see poker as some sort of test of wills and manhood. They are young, full of testosterone and have grown up in a society where "trash talking" is the norm, and rewarded and amdmired. The people you'd drive away are the people who are going to carefully study, play, and get better. If the goal was to pad my bankroll, I'd rather those people didn't play and that the people who saw poker as game of who has the bigger gonads continue to show up with something to prove.I think your overarching point is that this is one player's private forums and it's damaging to his intrests to drive players from them, particularly thoughtful and polite ones. This is a valid and insightful point, and in the intrest of it, I promise I'll be more polite.See you in Gardena.

[ErikM 0]

Agreed...But those same players also say never educate the weak players.... Uhm, doesn't that sorta contradict your statement about helping ppl on this forum?I can't imagine that teaching someone how to play better can be very good for my bank roll (unless of course I write a book that sells for $30.00 a pop).Not to mention... you could make the argument that by digging into someone you may actually get them in "revenge mode" where they keep coming back just to, "shut you up by beating you"... and depending how you handle that, it could be very good for your bankroll. Personally... I don't do much talking at the table one way or the other. Not so much because I don't like having a fun sociable game (I do) but because I'm not trying to give anything away or draw attention to myself.anyway... bottom line is. I don't think you have to worry about the "survival of poker."If you haven't noticed... poker is the biggest thing since sliced bread. I'm sure it will be fine no matter what we say.

[speedz99 145]

I've been reading these posts for a while, and I just joined up.  I agree that we should stick to poker and drop the personal attacks.  I just wonder why you take those people seriously.  For example, Smasharoo obviously knew exactly what the first post was about, he (or she) just wanted to be an ass to be funny.  I'm not sure if people like that realize that it's only funny to them, and to the rest of us it's only worth about 2 seconds of annoyance.  Anyways, I do have to say that of all the sites I've been considering jumping in on, this is by far the best.

no it was funny to me too...You know... I can't believe that you guys are poker players and are this sensative.Sheeesh.Although i do agree with the post... bad beats happen, just focus on making good plays all the time and they won't bother you.

I think you misunderstood. I was saying that he was trying to be funny, but if anyone doesn't find it funny, they should just ignore it. Either way, my only point is that you can be funny without being a douche. Trash talking is fine, but I don't think forums are meant to be trash talking competitions. Also, as I've learned through some poorly thought-out emails, sarcasm does not translate well on a computer screen.

[Smasharoo 0]

Also, as I've learned through some poorly thought-out emails, sarcasm does not translate well on a computer screen.Depends who's reading it. The morality police will certainly jump on a high horse and cry a few tears of sorrow over it.Most people will laugh and move on to the next post. I'm willing to dumb it down for the uptight folks, though.

[mark33f 0]

I am not one to be mean to other people ...but come on this is an online poker fan site and you really shouldnt take any "personal attacks" seriously

[ErikM 0]

true dat!

[speedz99 145]

I'll buy that. And I think anyone easily offended should remember this thread. The last thing we need is anyone "dumbing down" their comments.

[Crocolyle 0]

I think you can educate the bad players as much as you want, but everyone goes on tilt sometimes and makes bad decisions. Many of these awful, awful players are almost perpetually on tilt and can never be helped. I think the general concencus is to not scare the fish...so be nice and just say "nice hand", even though it's hard at times.

[Smasharoo 0]

I think the general concencus is to not scare the fish...so be nice and just say "nice hand", even though it's hard at times.Really?I think it's a lot more fun to get a whole table on tilt, calling 4 raises on the river with middle pair because they just want to beat you a pot soooo badly.I ussually compliment them on horrible plays and critsize smart plays. "Wow, way to hand in there for the gutshot, most people wouldn't have the stones!""You RAISED pre-flop with AK and then RAISED the turn with two pair? Couldn't you see that TJ could make a straight if a queen came. That's bad poker man."Ussually takes care of the 1 or two people who have any idea what they're doing.

[nickjaw 0]

Wow, smash, you seem like a real player. I wouldn't want to run into you at the tables.