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[serge 904]

Again no one is putting down Russians, Swedes, Finns or Czechs...

 

He is arguing(the argument might be wrong) that the type of game the North Americans play is different IN GENERAL TERMS...He seems to think its the better way..

 

You can argue that point all day, but doesnt necessarily mean its racist

[Dubey 1,035]

But it is different...Thats the flaw of your argument..

 

There is no difference between a white baseball player and a black baseball player.

 

However as a whole most people will agree that there are differences between North American and European players...ITs a fact..Its a different game they play, its a different upbringing..

 

There's a percieved difference. Doesn't make it a fact.

 

 

The FACT is, there are a whole lot of "soft" Norht american players and a whole lot of tough europeans. Making negative generalizations about a player you've never even seen play simply based on their country of origin is wrong. It IS racism, or xenophobia, or whatever you want to call it.

[serge 904]

There's a percieved difference. Doesn't make it a fact.

 

 

The FACT is, there are a whole lot of "soft" Norht american players and a whole lot of tough europeans. Making negative generalizations about a player you've never even seen play simply based on their country of origin is wrong. It IS racism, or xenophobia, or whatever you want to call it.

 

I wont really disagree with that..This topic comes up on this forum at least a few times a year..

 

I just think equating racism to favouring one group of hockey players over another isnt fair..

 

Lets say that the London Knights organization has a strong pedigree of growing NHL players...You have to choose from two equal prospects...One from London Knights the other from the Oshawa Generals..You pick the London boy because you perceive that player to be better based on sample size..

 

Picking a Canadian boy that carries less baggage (no threat of fleeing to the KHL), less questions is NOT the same thing as picking a white ball player over a black player..FAR from it..

 

PS..

 

Just making a point, not necessarily have to be London and Oshawa

[mrdannyg 274]

But it is different...Thats the flaw of your argument..

 

There is no difference between a white baseball player and a black baseball player.

 

However as a whole most people will agree that there are differences between North American and European players...ITs a fact..Its a different game they play, its a different upbringing..

 

I partially agree with Dubey, but you make a reasonably strong point here.

 

It is still a complete fail at logic to say one group is better than the other and therefore player X is better than player Y though. That's like saying that numbers from 100 to 1000 are bigger than numbers 0 to 250, therefore any given number in the first group is better than any given number in the second group, despite very smart people who's jobs it is to decide how big numbers are (in this case, NHL GMs and scouting teams) have told you that they think a specific number from the first group is bigger than a specific number from the second group.

[serge 904]

I partially agree with Dubey, but you make a reasonably strong point here.

 

It is still a complete fail at logic to say one group is better than the other and therefore player X is better than player Y though. That's like saying that numbers from 100 to 1000 are bigger than numbers 0 to 250, therefore any given number in the first group is better than any given number in the second group, despite very smart people who's jobs it is to decide how big numbers are (in this case, NHL GMs and scouting teams) have told you that they think a specific number from the first group is bigger than a specific number from the second group.

 

You are correct..Its not 100 percent..Its like poker, its better odds....

 

I will reiterate I dont necessarily think what Cherry or others are saying in this argument to be true...However its far from racist...

 

Especially in the later rounds, why draft a Russian when there is an equally capable North American that you know what you are getting and he isnt going to flee to the KHL at the first sign of trouble.

[Dubey 1,035]

Yeah, I mean, if you want to take a serious look at Player A vs. Player B, I think it's entirely reasonable to take their country of origin into consideration as one of many many factors that leads you to deciding who the better player is.

 

 

Let's be honest, Don CHerry doesn't know anything about Barkov or Nichushkin as hockey players. He knows they are europeans, and that's it. He passes his judgement base donly on that fact, and that's what makes it bad.

[serge 904]

Yeah, I mean, if you want to take a serious look at Player A vs. Player B, I think it's entirely reasonable to take their country of origin into consideration as one of many many factors that leads you to deciding who the better player is.

 

 

Let's be honest, Don CHerry doesn't know anything about Barkov or Nichushkin as hockey players. He knows they are europeans, and that's it. He passes his judgement base donly on that fact, and that's what makes it bad.

 

This is very true..Don Cherry is an entertainer...He doesnt follow the players as closely as he could..

 

But I would argue there isnt a much better cheerleader for Canadian Minor hockey than Don Cherry...He might go about the wrong way, but he promotes the hell out of youth hockey..He supports them like no one else does...

[mrdannyg 274]

You are correct..Its not 100 percent..Its like poker, its better odds....

 

I will reiterate I dont necessarily think what Cherry or others are saying in this argument to be true...However its far from racist...

 

Especially in the later rounds, why draft a Russian when there is an equally capable North American that you know what you are getting and he isnt going to flee to the KHL at the first sign of trouble.

 

But that's not at all what happened. The players aren't equal. GMs and scouts took into consideration everything they know and decided that the Russian was better than the Canadian, and picked him earlier. Are they close? Sure. But the scouts already took into consideration any negatives (KHL, whatever) of them being Russian, so if there are any, then the Russian is probably more than a little better than the Canadian.

 

Cherry picked a Russian who experts had indicated was better than a Canadian and said the Canadian was better. That's an opinion and he's welcome to have it. When you do it 10 times in a row, never picking the European first, it becomes xenophobic, racist, or whatever. Mainly it is just stupid, and it's embarassing to have him as a national figure.

 

When I went to Blue Jays games as a kid, my dad would tell me that it was great to root for the home team, but that doesn't mean you should root against the other team. Sometimes it is a fine line, but there's still a definite line.

[Zach6668 513]

Is Serge on Cherry's payroll?

 

If only you could somehow monetize relentless making excuses for idiotic things a guy says and does.

[serge 904]

Again Ill argue that a lot of the stuff Cherry does his buffoon like and archaic..

 

But he does SO MUCH for the good of minor hockey and the country that a lot of people turn a blind eye to the rest..

 

Its like your old 80 year old senile uncle, that makes crude comments and jokes..but he is a war hero and a great guy.

[serge 904]

Is Serge on Cherry's payroll?

 

If only you could somehow monetize relentless making excuses for idiotic things a guy says and does.

 

Yes I get paid $1967 a year to protect him.

[mrdannyg 274]

Again Ill argue that a lot of the stuff Cherry does his buffoon like and archaic..

 

But he does SO MUCH for the good of minor hockey and the country that a lot of people turn a blind eye to the rest..

 

Its like your old 80 year old senile uncle, that makes crude comments and jokes..but he is a war hero and a great guy.

 

Then we would all say "my uncle is a war hero and a great man. He now says idiotic things that we try not to pay attention to." I would not defend the idiotic things any other way, and I wouldn't emblazon him a national symbol and have him in the most-watched time spot in Canada (I made that up) on our national broadcasting network saying those very idiotic things.

 

Don Cherry does not need to be hateful towards Europeans to encourage Canadians.

[digitalmonkey 929]

@GeorgeParros: Just got this from my perennial movember competition Mike Brown, well done sir, tip 'o the hat http://t.co/sN5HZRXhLH

 

 

[digitalmonkey 929]

This guy tweets awesome photographs.

 

@BeschlossDC: Here, in color, Babe Ruth on "Babe Ruth Day" at Yankee Stadium in 1947, a year before his death: http://t.co/uuL6Nlt84u

[Dubey 1,035]

@GeorgeParros: Just got this from my perennial movember competition Mike Brown, well done sir, tip 'o the hat http://t.co/sN5HZRXhLH

 

Amazing

[serge 904]

#RaiseTheBar

 

Lets do this Jays fans.

[mrdannyg 274]

I'm a Jays fan and I couldn't muster one shit as to whether our middle reliever makes the all-star game instead of someone else's.

[serge 904]

I'm a Jays fan and I couldn't muster one shit as to whether our middle reliever makes the all-star game instead of someone else's.

 

You are a scrooge..

 

Its an honour to have as many people represent your team, your city, your country in this stage..Its fun...

 

Plus now the Jays are giving away a trip for two to the All Star game just from people tweeting #RaiseTheBar

 

Also think its cool we came together with the Braves in promoting Canadian boy Freeman..

 

GO JAYS GO

RAISE THE BAR

DONT BE A SCROOGE

[Dubey 1,035]

Freddie Freeman is Canadian?

[mrdannyg 274]

Freddie Freeman is Canadian?

 

No. Canadian-sounding name though!

[Dubey 1,035]

his Wikipedia page says he is "Canadian-American", but Born in California. One of his parents must be Canadian.

[serge 904]

No. Canadian-sounding name though!

 

He is born in US but is able to play on the Canadian National team, which he said he would..

 

I guess his parents are Canadian? Either way, he is "Canadian"

[serge 904]

http://www.canadianbaseballnetwork.com/articles/canuck-discovery-freddie-freeman/

 

More I read about this kid I like him even more...

 

Wants to represent Canada to honour his late mother..She was born in Toronto and dad was born in Windsor.

[Zach6668 513]

I have legitimately never heard of this Delabar guy. Is this just another Vote for Rory situation?

[serge 904]

I have legitimately never heard of this Delabar guy. Is this just another Vote for Rory situation?

 

No its legitimate...

 

He is having a phenominal year and is deserving....MLB actually nominated him , not like Rory