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pretty sure AKs graph is for play money;)and yes the general consensus is to fold to that 3bet preflop. Calling 3bets oop is generally bad bc most of the time you have to c/f and when you do make a set it's more difficult to extract value oopas mark said (he's good at poker) you want to be able to make at least 10x the size of the bet you are calling preflop when you are set-mining, and ideally your stacks will be deeper...So that is a good rule to keep in mind preflop... Like if a 20bb short stack nit pos scumbag opens from middle position you gotta dump your small pps... Generally
ok great....and who's mark? acid knight?
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I can't pokerstove AKQ vs 99 though

He doesn't have AKQ offsuit.

I'm Jon.

pretty sure AKs graph is for play money;)
I'm not sure if this is a level, but no, I assure you Acid Knight's winnings are not play money.
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so this is how much you made last year Acid Knight? wow...what limits were you playing mostly? this is mostly online right?
I dunno if he'll check this thread again, but this is 1/2, 2/4, 3/6, 5/10, maybe some .5/1 and some 10/20. All online. His live results would be separate. Acid Knight is Matt.Mark is NoSup4U.
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so this is how much you made last year Acid Knight? wow...what limits were you playing mostly? this is mostly online right?
That's my online graph. I made a bit more in tournaments and stuff. That's all .5/1 to 10/20 HU NL with the bulk of it coming 1/2 to 5/10.
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I dunno if he'll check this thread again, but this is 1/2, 2/4, 3/6, 5/10, maybe some .5/1 and some 10/20. All online. His live results would be separate. Acid Knight is Matt.Mark is NoSup4U.
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I'm not sure if this is a level, but no, I assure you Acid Knight's winnings are not play money.
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Acid, are you done with the blog? I enjoyed reading it fwiw.
Although I don't know for certain, I am ~80% sure that he is done with that blog.
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I dunno if he'll check this thread again, but this is 1/2, 2/4, 3/6, 5/10, maybe some .5/1 and some 10/20. All online. His live results would be separate. Acid Knight is Matt.Mark is NoSup4U.
And ladies, my name is Steve Stiffler. And I have an 11 inch penis.Around.Think about it.
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Sorry Y'all... I run my own biz now, so it takes priority over FCP. anyone deal with paypal/amazon payments for specific types of payment setups? if so please PM me. anyways back to the awesomness.

Why do you acknowledge Loosh's post and then continue on the path that you're right here and everyone else is wrong?
This i dont like very much.I never said anyone was wrong. I touched on various lines. I just think its "ok" to check the turn, with the notion that we're going to call a bet, but then change our minds and check/raise based on the villains bet size, and some additional thought process.
Perhaps I should have written instead, "Regardless of the correctness or incorrectness of the fold, the hero's equity increases from x% to 100%." Below you refute, "Regardless of the correctness or incorrectness of the villain's play, our expectation is the same." I did not mean that.I feel we have chased our tails somewhat with the definition of betting for value. When RT suggested that the hero could bet, expecting the villain to fold, and increase his equity, didn't people tell him that was wrong because it was neither betting for value nor bluffing? Do your two reasons for betting include betting as a favorite and causing the villain to fold or not?
No one will ever touch on this with any additional info to prove it incorrect. merely the fact that they have reached their own "optimal play line" and believe any in depth analysis that skews from their reasoning is witchcraft.
Poker is about frequencies and ranges. How can you possible have played as long as you have and not understand this? He doesn't have a hand, he has a RANGE OF HANDS that he plays like this. He has frequencies that he checks back the flop and that he bets the flop and how often he slowplays and how often he bluffs the river. It's your job to figure out what his range is and what frequency he checks back AK on the flop or how often he bluffs rivers and then you create a line to maxmize profit in that given situation.
I agree ,but dont be jealous if I can think above and beyond the normal realm of standard poker strategy. if i say he has whifed overs, I mean he has whifed overs.simple no?
Checkraising this turn is wrong because you lose the most when you're behind and win the least when you're ahead. It's that simple in this case. Call the turn. If the river is an A, K or Q, decide if and how frequently he will bluff the card and act accordingly.
check/raising is correct when you know he has two overs, and know he wont bluff the river./thread??*dusts off hands.
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check/raising is correct when you know he has two overs, and know he wont bluff the river./thread??*dusts off hands.
The problem is, you can't know for 100% sure that he has whiffed overs, and you can't know for 100% sure that he won't bluff the river. While we're talking about not knowing things for sure, you are also failing to take into account the (admittedly very small) chance he decides to turn AK into a bluff and 3bet shoves over your c/r.
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I'm really at a loss to understand how based on an op with no read vs a villain who just sat we can put him 100% on overs b/c this is exactly the kind of board I'll check the flop with AA/KK vs a hero who I expect to be holding what he is. (mind you as villain I'm betting more on the turn). C/C reevaluating on river or bet/folding are a world better then c/r imo just don't see any value in it or reasoning that makes sense.

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I'm really at a loss to understand how based on an op with no read vs a villain who just sat we can put him 100% on overs b/c this is exactly the kind of board I'll check the flop with AA/KK vs a hero who I expect to be holding what he is. (mind you as villain I'm betting more on the turn). C/C reevaluating on river or bet/folding are a world better then c/r imo just don't see any value in it or reasoning that makes sense.
inevitably, humans are all alike. we do and react to things in ways that will remain constant, no matter how hard we try and convince ourselves.if you like watching videos. here is a well done 30 min video from TED It has nothing to do with poker or anything we covered. but its cool none the less. HereThat being said, money is one of those things that most certainly affects people, so take what you know about your own reasoning to how you would play AK, or how you play KK.Then apply it to the entire hand. the action for each street, the position and stack size of each player, and the dynamics of what we have to go on.Then run through how individuals of different skill might play this hand, and also factor in the outcome you reached previously on your reasoning to the hand. Then when you have all that, ask if it makes sense.and when it does, notice where the discrepencies are for it being AK, or for it being KK+and also, i posted this a few pages ago.
exactly what i'm saying. If i was playing this hand, given the preflop action, and the flop (that flop in particular) goes check/check.. Then the turn is another useless brick, and i (hero) check again, He bets, this sorta sets off the idea that it isnt AA/KK. but rather AK.. and here's why... If i'm thinking as the villain, there are two reasons to check back the flop1 - because i'm trapping a safe board with AA/KK. 2 - because I missed and i'm not 100% sure if I should bet, so I'll see what the turn brings and see what "hero" does.So - the turn bricks, and hero checks. Still thinking as villain, You have to start to imagine that the Hero in this hand does not like his hand, and is not interested. OR.. he has a total monster that he's trying to slowplay. So in either case, whether its uninterested air, or a monster. The Villain gains nothing by betting AA/KK on the turn. WHY? because he's either Way ahead, or way behind.What does make sense, is if Villain has AK or AQ and now bets the turn hoping that our Hero is uninterested in this hand.Once the hero check/raises the bet, The villain (who was starting to put the Hero on somethhing by this point) Now has the worst case happen. He was check raised.
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LOL at this thread still going.Okay, there are only two possibilities here:1) Royal is arguing just to argue.2) Royal is actually bad at poker and doesn't understand fundamentals.Come to your own conclusion as to which is the case.Take care, all!

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LOL
I'd like to LOL at the fact that you seem to care so much, yet your conclusion here is that I either suck at poker, or am just trying to get a rise.In both cases, you're wasting your breath, so why do it?because you see merit in trying to prove me wrong. Unfortunately, that can't be accomplished.
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I'd like to LOL at the fact that you seem to care so much, yet your conclusion here is that I either suck at poker, or am just trying to get a rise.In both cases, you're wasting your breath, so why do it?because you see merit in trying to prove me wrong. Unfortunately, that can't be accomplished.
I'm not "wasting my breath". Not even in the least. I care about new players getting horrible, horrible, fundamentally horrible advice since this forum is where I got my start. I hope that they can read through this and see that what you're saying, in this thread at least, will make them worse players. I don't know if that's the case across the board because, like I said, I think it's reasonably possible you're arguing just to argue. I want people who might think you know what you're talking about to question that and then question your advice before deciding whether to agree or disagree with you rather than just take your word for it because you have a high post count. Quite frankly, I think the advice you're giving in this thread is a disservice to anyone who comes here in order to learn the game.
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I'm not "wasting my breath". Not even in the least. I care about new players getting horrible, horrible, fundamentally horrible advice since this forum is where I got my start. I hope that they can read through this and see that what you're saying, in this thread at least, will make them worse players. I don't know if that's the case across the board because, like I said, I think it's reasonably possible you're arguing just to argue. I want people who might think you know what you're talking about to question that and then question your advice before deciding whether to agree or disagree with you rather than just take your word for it because you have a high post count. Quite frankly, I think the advice you're giving in this thread is a disservice to anyone who comes here in order to learn the game.
Agree 1000000%
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I'm not "wasting my breath". Not even in the least. I care about new players getting horrible, horrible, fundamentally horrible advice since this forum is
ugh, pointless drivel.I havent seen any real hard evidence as to why My line is horrible, I can present the exact same claims to your points, its cyclical. I've heard you and acid talk about your ideas of what you think is best, but thats about it.I also like to add to this thread that the mathematically correct decision isn't always the best decision.i'll end my argument on that note.
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I also like to add to this thread that the mathematically correct decision isn't always the best decision.
Assuming that there are no bankroll considerations (ie, if you have a short roll and make this call and wrong and you bust your roll and can't play...) when is there ever a situation in a cash game where the mathematically correct decision is not the correct decision?
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