Penn On Proselytizing

[navybuttons 15]

where in the bible does it say that people who don't believe in jesus are going to hell?

John 14:6and Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me."

Edit: There are no words to describe either God's love or his judgement.

[irishguy 14]

John 14:6and Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me."

Sounds to me like he was picking a fight but I'm no Theologist.

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I found the link to be boring.Why does Gillette think that anyone would be interested?Pretentious, arrogant, self-important.Akin to Bill Maher and Michael Moore.

[timwakefield 68]

To answer the question "what point is he making", the point is that being a good person overrides any divisions we have on the specifics of our belief system, and that we should search for the good in the world instead of finding people who agree with us. Also, he just appreciated that there are people that nice out there.

You're right, he was saying that and it's a fine point to make. I guess his truck analogy just miffed me. Also how it took him 5 minutes to tell a 2 minute story.

[El Guapo 8]

Let me get this straight, it's really not important whether someone lives a good life and is good to those around him. It only matters if he believes in supernatural entities.

See I have always had a problem with this too. My mother in law honestly believes I am going to Hell. Even though I have been baptized and i can honestly say lives my life moral and ethically as equal or better than most Christians I have ever met.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I found the link to be boring.Why does Gillette think that anyone would be interested?Pretentious, arrogant, self-important.Akin to Bill Maher and Michael Moore.

apparently people are, because he has one of the most watched you tube channels around.

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apparently people are, because he has one of the most watched you tube channels around.

True, but most people are idiots.Check out the Octomom coverage.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

True, but most people are idiots.Check out the Octomom coverage.

I think Penn says is infinitely more interesting that the octomom coverage.I think Penn is often interesting, funny, articulate, iconoclastic. The octomom is a car wreck. I'd take the pepsi challege on the average IQ of a Penn Says viewer over an Octomom viewer. Also you ask "why would he think anyone would be interested" and then, when confronted with the fact that, yes, many people are interested in what he has to say, you say " well people are just stupid". Next time try saying " I am not interested", rather than " why would anyone be interested" because people clearly are. And, why does anyone start a youtube channel, or a blog, or write anything online? IT's to communicate ideas. Sometimes there's an audience for it, and some times there's not, but I think the ease to which you can communicate is the very best thing about the internet. Millions of people across the country do a variant of what Penn is doing on Youtube, and only a tiny fraction of them have a bigger audience. I don't think it makes any of them (necessarily) pretentious, arrogant and self-important. (though, in fairness, Penn is probably all of those things, but he's also a lot more).

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I think Penn says is infinitely more interesting that the octomom coverage.

But like wakefield said he took too long, kept rubbing his head and such. Needs an editor.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

But like wakefield said he took too long, kept rubbing his head and such. Needs an editor.

LOL well, you get what you pay for.

[vbnautilus 48]

I have no better response than to say that you are incorrect. The only reason Jesus came to Earth was to die for people and have them believe in him. So you're incorrect.

I'm sorry to say that I find this totally absurd. If that's why he came, how selfish and petty. I was trying to be generous to Christianity by supposing that the purpose was to inspire people to live a good life.

See I have always had a problem with this too. My mother in law honestly believes I am going to Hell. Even though I have been baptized and i can honestly say lives my life moral and ethically as equal or better than most Christians I have ever met.

Yeah I mean it seems to me that hell is the direct consequence of living a harmful life -- you become guilt-ridden and unhappy. If you are flourishing and wholesome then you have already avoided hell in my view.

[brvheart 1,753]

I'm sorry to say that I find this totally absurd. If that's why he came, how selfish and petty. I was trying to be generous to Christianity by supposing that the purpose was to inspire people to live a good life.

nope, you can go back to hating Christianity.

[brvheart 1,753]

And I have no better response than to say that you are incorrect. Jesus was a wise religious man 2000 years ago and his followers founded a religion based on his teachings. He was a human being the same as anybody else, he was just a great teacher and thinker, and his brutal martyrdom made his followers love and remember him all the more.Neither you or I has given evidence, or could in fact prove to the other one that one of us is correct and the other is mistaken.

Tim, you should sit this one out. I wasn't even talking about any of this.

[brvheart 1,753]

do you see the discrepancy?

I see where you see the discrepancy. Not spending eternity with God is what you should define as hell.

See I have always had a problem with this too. My mother in law honestly believes I am going to Hell. Even though I have been baptized and i can honestly say lives my life moral and ethically as equal or better than most Christians I have ever met.

I have no problem believing this... and that's sad. But if it makes any difference, these 'Christians' probably aren't.

I think Penn says is infinitely more interesting that the octomom coverage.I think Penn is often interesting, funny, articulate, iconoclastic. The octomom is a car wreck. I'd take the pepsi challege on the average IQ of a Penn Says viewer over an Octomom viewer. Also you ask "why would he think anyone would be interested" and then, when confronted with the fact that, yes, many people are interested in what he has to say, you say " well people are just stupid". Next time try saying " I am not interested", rather than " why would anyone be interested" because people clearly are. And, why does anyone start a youtube channel, or a blog, or write anything online? IT's to communicate ideas. Sometimes there's an audience for it, and some times there's not, but I think the ease to which you can communicate is the very best thing about the internet. Millions of people across the country do a variant of what Penn is doing on Youtube, and only a tiny fraction of them have a bigger audience. I don't think it makes any of them (necessarily) pretentious, arrogant and self-important. (though, in fairness, Penn is probably all of those things, but he's also a lot more).

As usual, I agree with BigD.

[crowTrobot 2]

I have no better response than to say that you are incorrect. The only reason Jesus came to Earth was to die for people and have them believe in him. So you're incorrect.

you're view is now minority. the majority of christians these days believe you are saved by being a "good" parson and/or that there are "many paths" to god besidesnecessarily accepting jesus. they've been forced into that position because anyone being intellectually honest with themselves can see the obvious logical absurdityof traditional fundamentalist interpretations of the bible.

[brvheart 1,753]

you're view is now minority. the majority of christians these days believe you are saved by being a "good" parson and/or that there are "many paths" to god besidesnecessarily accepting jesus.

I 100% agree with you, at least up until you started sharing your opinions. Luckily, God isn't a democracy.

[vbnautilus 48]

Luckily, God isn't a democracy.

Yeah, because then he would exist.

[brvheart 1,753]

Yeah, because then he would exist.

touche!

[navybuttons 15]

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[hblask 1]

You're right, he was saying that and it's a fine point to make. I guess his truck analogy just miffed me. Also how it took him 5 minutes to tell a 2 minute story.

Well, I agree it's not great literary or artistic value. These "Penn Says" things are him coming down from his show, and he just rambles on about whatever he happens to be thinking about at that moment. They are not pre-scripted or edited. So yeah, they aren't great cinema or anything.What's interesting is the number of intelligent things he can say off-the-cuff like that; I'd like to see any other modern celebrity, either in the entertainment or political field, discuss such a wide variety of topics so frequently without scripting.I can think of a few who could do it, but not many.

[Sportsmack 0]

you're view is now minority. the majority of christians these days believe you are saved by being a "good" parson and/or that there are "many paths" to god besidesnecessarily accepting jesus. they've been forced into that position because anyone being intellectually honest with themselves can see the obvious logical absurdityof traditional fundamentalist interpretations of the bible.

I can honestly say that I don't know 1 single Christian that believes a word of this. Not sure which group of Christians you've been hanging out with.

[gobears 0]

I can honestly say that I don't know 1 single Christian that believes a word of this. Not sure which group of Christians you've been hanging out with.

This is from 2008 but in the article, it mentions a poll taken by the Pew forum that found "57% of evangelical christians were willing to accept that theirs might not be the only path to salvation."Also from the article "if one isolates the most "traditionalist" members of the white Evangelical group, 50% still agreed that other faiths might offer a path to eternal life. In fact, of the dozens of denominations covered by the Pew survey, it was only Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses who answered in the majority that their own faith was the only way to eternal life."Time Article

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

Well, I agree it's not great literary or artistic value. These "Penn Says" things are him coming down from his show, and he just rambles on about whatever he happens to be thinking about at that moment. They are not pre-scripted or edited. So yeah, they aren't great cinema or anything.What's interesting is the number of intelligent things he can say off-the-cuff like that; I'd like to see any other modern celebrity, either in the entertainment or political field, discuss such a wide variety of topics so frequently without scripting.I can think of a few who could do it, but not many.

This, pretty much. But also, Penn's magic act is one of the "smartest" acts in entertainment, so it shouldn't come as a huge surprise. I wish he still had his radio show.

[brvheart 1,753]

I can honestly say that I don't know 1 single Christian that believes a word of this. Not sure which group of Christians you've been hanging out with.

You're blind then. The word 'Christian' has evolved.

[Sportsmack 0]

You're blind then. The word 'Christian' has evolved.

The "word" Christian may have evolved in some "Christian" circles (which is pure crap imo), but Christ hasn't. Just because some of his "followers" may have "evolved" doesn't mean he's changed. He's the same today as he was yesterday, and will be tomorrow. His message and his purpose don't change, no matter what some "Christians" may believe. But i'm sure I'll be called unenlightened so whatever.