daniel's mistake...

[bigkg 0]

Im pritty sure your rong here. Im pritty sure DN said that he would not sign to be the Wynn's poker impasador With out the big game.

I'm pritty shore you could be the impasador for terrible fucking grammar & spelling.

Dude this has already been said...and you have no right to criticize grammar because you have only been here for like 6 days.

[Diabolical 0]

what are you guys now? fubbin English teachers? Make up your mind!!!

[Guest]

I think you guys might be missing a very valid point that Daniel realizes here...Poker is a game of variance and he is forced to be his best to make his living playing it...At the same time, Taking money from Wynn, Poker Mountain, Stacked, appearances, and numorous other things is free money... He doesn't need to depend on a game like poker that can be so trivial at times to make his money... thats a smart money decision...Why play a game with luck involved for money, when you can play another kind of game with no luck involved for guarenteed money...by the way... Im sure I spelled a bunch of stuff wrong and thats because I dont give a shit

[Guest]

Im pritty sure your rong here. Im pritty sure DN said that he would not sign to be the Wynn's poker impasador With out the big game.

I'm pritty shore you could be the impasador for terrible fucking grammar & spelling.

Dude this has already been said...and you have no right to criticize grammar because you have only been here for like 6 days.

The spelling on the word ambassador wasn't pointed out.Make sure you keep me posted as to when my grammar correction powers become enabled.... :bubblerocknroll:

[DanielNegreanu 141]

Well I guess it depends on your definition of "mistake", but in my book associating myself with a proven winner like Steve Wynn is an excellent career move. The man built modern Las Vegas and really knows how to treat both his employees and customers. As for what the job offers me? I've already done the Today Show and Fox News with plans to do more mainstream media in the future. I've also have the opportunity to play heads up poker against the world's best which is exactly what I live for! A mistake? Umm... not so much 8)

[Guest]

FakeTree-I'm curious. For the average limit player, what kind of rating would you give the Wynn? Just trying to get a feel for the places there; where I want to play when I go out in June. Give us a review........I'm interested anyway. Hopefully I'm not the only one

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Plus, the Big game doesn't just stay at the Bellagio.. where ever there is a big tourniment, there is a Big Game... and I think 500,000 heads up with Ivey is plenty of action ( god, please record this.. DN verse Ivey heads up would be a cream dream..)

[funplyr9 0]

i really don<t see why people get so bent out of shape and take so much time thinking and writing about someone else's decision. Do you all have a stake in Danny's decision ? It is so obvious he is thinking long term. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he the person doing the most press lately? He seems to be in the media bigtime whether it be T.V. or radio or print. Before Tiger Woods came to golf did we hear much about multi million dollar sponsorships? And now about 5 or 6 years later we are calling Tiger the greatest. I think DN's decision is based on more that "the big game". It is based on being who he wants to be, the future, and getting poker into the mainstream. Money is important, but sometimes you need to break out of the pack and do your own thing. That's what DN is doing in my opinion, and I respect him a lot for doing it. Cheers.

[Blue58 0]

Daniel owned you Faketree.

[World Class 0]

DanielHow about addressing some of Faketree's points and not skirting around the issues.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

World Class, let me welcome you to the forum. I think you'll find it's a friendly and helpful place.That having been said, the very last thing you should ever do as a new poster is to call out Daniel Negreanu of all people.

[Red_foot_soldier 0]

But, you've dodged the issue of the "big" game or lack there of. In an earlier post I remember you saying that you wouldn't have gone to the wynn without there being a big game. Has this changed or are we just missing some facts?

[BuzzWorthy 0]

I don't know the exact details, but I assume there is a strong financial benefit to him playing exclusively at Wynn.So, for the moment, he is receiving compensation to play at a casino when a lot of the really tough players are at another casino... seems like a good idea to me!Not to mention the marketing adavantages Daniel brought up in his response...

[711Buddha 0]

I'll say the guy it certainly wasn't a mistake for was Wynn.I'll be out there next month and I'll going to go to the Wynn and the only reason I'll be going out of my way to do that is DN.

[GaryMorris 0]

I don't know the exact details, but I assume there is a strong financial benefit to him playing exclusively at Wynn.So, for the moment, he is receiving compensation to play at a casino when a lot of the really tough players are at another casino... seems like a good idea to me!Not to mention the marketing adavantages Daniel brought up in his response...

I still believe that Daniel is being staked in these 100,000-500,000 games. If he loses 500k, I bet Wynn covers at least 50% of his losses and gets a % of his winnings. Daniel will probably never admit to this, but it looks so obvious!

[speedz99 145]

I don't know the exact details, but I assume there is a strong financial benefit to him playing exclusively at Wynn.So, for the moment, he is receiving compensation to play at a casino when a lot of the really tough players are at another casino... seems like a good idea to me!Not to mention the marketing adavantages Daniel brought up in his response...

I still believe that Daniel is being staked in these 100,000-500,000 games. If he loses 500k, I bet Wynn covers at least 50% of his losses and gets a % of his winnings. Daniel will probably never admit to this, but it looks so obvious!

He actually specifically said that he is not being staked.

[World Class 0]

World Class, let me welcome you to the forum.  I think you'll find it's a friendly and helpful place.That having been said, the very last thing you should ever do as a new poster is to call out Daniel Negreanu of all people.

Thanks for the advice TJ, but excuse me if I don't take it. I'd still like to here some of the points by the original poster addressed and I don't feel they were.Thank you

[GaryMorris 0]

I don't know the exact details, but I assume there is a strong financial benefit to him playing exclusively at Wynn.So, for the moment, he is receiving compensation to play at a casino when a lot of the really tough players are at another casino... seems like a good idea to me!Not to mention the marketing adavantages Daniel brought up in his response...

I still believe that Daniel is being staked in these 100,000-500,000 games. If he loses 500k, I bet Wynn covers at least 50% of his losses and gets a % of his winnings. Daniel will probably never admit to this, but it looks so obvious!

He actually specifically said that he is not being staked.

Yes, but but there is a difference between being staked (given the money up front) vs being reimbursed for your losses later. I'm convinced DN has a deal at the WYNN. I just don't know the complete details of it. It's so obvious!

[faketree 0]

FakeTree-I'm curious. For the average limit player, what kind of rating would you give the Wynn? Just trying to get a feel for the places there; where I want to play when I go out in June. Give us a review........I'm interested anyway. Hopefully I'm not the only one

I rather enjoyed the Wynn poker room. They managed to get 27 tables in a pretty small space without sacrificing the room between players and tables. Compared to the Bellagio now, there is much more walking space so you're not always bumping into someones chair trying to get past them.With the exception of two or three new dealers, all the dealers there are top notch and know how to keep the game moving at a good pace. The floormen are very accomodating about tables changes and changing the channels on the TV to put whatever game or show you want to see on. They also seemed to be good people to work for as at one of my tables a drunk A-hole of a guy called the dealer a 'chinese b!tch'. He was kicked out immediately. I've seen people get away with crazy dealer abuse and never get in trouble so its good to see that the Wynn won't stand for it. The room is run incredibly efficiently as well. If there is a list, seats are never open for more than 30 seconds. They even have a pager system. For $100 deposit, you can get a pager to bring with you around the casino that will let you know when you are about to be called. There are some things that I think could be better but I've said them a couple of times already. All-in-all, it is a great room and I will go back next time I am there.

Well I guess it depends on your definition of "mistake", but in my book associating myself with a proven winner like Steve Wynn is an excellent career move. The man built modern Las Vegas and really knows how to treat both his employees and customers. As for what the job offers me?  I've already done the Today Show and Fox News with plans to do more mainstream media in the future. I've also have the opportunity to play heads up poker against the world's best which is exactly what I live for!  A mistake? Umm... not so much

For sure, as a pure business decision it is a great move. My roommate listed off all the benefits to you for making this decision. However, my point was ONLY about playing the Big Game. And it certainly appears that it is a long shot that game will move to the Wynn. That is all I was saying. And you didn't address that at all in your response.

Daniel owned you Faketree.

Not really. My only point was that it doesn't look like the Big Game that Daniel likes will be moving to the Wynn. And he didn't address that issue. Sure he'll has plenty of other incentives for his deal. But he wants to play in that game. And it doesn't look like he'll get to do that. In Vegas anyways.

Plus, the Big game doesn't just stay at the Bellagio.. where ever there is a big tourniment, there is a Big Game..

While this is true, Daniel is a Las Vegas resident and now he cannot play that game in Las Vegas unless its at the Wynn. So even if there is a tournament somewhere else in Vegas, he cannot play for cash there.

i really don<t see why people get so bent out of shape and take so much time thinking and writing about someone else's decision. Do you all have a stake in Danny's decision ?

I'm getting sick of these comments. This is a discussion forum. This is a place for expressing opinions and discussing ideas. No one is bent out of shape about anything Daniel does or decides on. He is a public figure that many people are intrigued by and believe it is something worth discussing. Isn't that why you joined here in the first place? Get over yourself.

I still believe that Daniel is being staked in these 100,000-500,000 games. If he loses 500k, I bet Wynn covers at least 50% of his losses and gets a % of his winnings. Daniel will probably never admit to this, but it looks so obvious!

This is all heresay. Its impossible for prove this and there is no way Daniel or Steve Wynn would admit that. I wouldn't rule it out though.

[Red_foot_soldier 0]

I can't see DN being staked. He's already on the pay role what is the benefit for Steve Wynn to stake daniel. Anywho, it wasn't even Wynns idea. Daniel posted the idea here before even putting it to the people at Wynn. Remember.

[NYIsles 0]

They managed to get 27 tables in a pretty small space without sacrificing the room between players and tables. Faketree, I had heard it was an 80 table room. Not true? Or is that with a projected future expansion?

[faketree 0]

They managed to get 27 tables in a pretty small space without sacrificing the room between players and tables. Faketree, I had heard it was an 80 table room.  Not true?  Or is that with a projected future expansion?

you must have heard wrong. its been planned on only 27 tables the whole time.there is some room for expansion as to the right of the poker room is a room that looked like it was for getting tickets to LeReve, the Dragone show at the Wynn. i suppose if it gets very busy there and they need to expand, that ticket room can be moved some place else and it will give them another 200 sq ft.

[STARMARK 0]

DanielNegreanu wrote:

I'm in bed now debating my plans for tomorrow. I've pretty much ruled out flying to San Jose for the PPT event tomorrow. For one, I wouldn't be well rested enough and I promised myself to only play tournaments when I’m up for the task. Two, it would be tough to take the tournament seriously since just last night I was flipping coins at $100,000 a pop while first place in the PPT is $225,000.  

later wrote:

As far as poker on TV goes, the PPT also has a chance to make for some great television as they are going to film the events from the beginning. Tomorrow is the first day of the PPT event at the Mirage, and while I’m not all that excited about the prize pool, I am excited about the format and the potential for the future of televised poker.  

That game doesn't thrill me too much. When you play at that level.... you can lose the value of money. That can hurt other areas of your game. Therefore not playing 100% during tournements. My opinion is Daniel may be better off not playing "The Big Game". Coupled with the great exposure he is getting with the Wynn. I think it is a great decision. Besides with a list like this:

Chip Reese  Chau Giang  Eli Elezra  Jennifer Harmon  Phil Ivey  David Sklansky  Sam Grizzle  Carlos Mortensen  David Williams  

Who wants to play with that crew all the time. I want to play with this list if I were him:Joe MillionareBob Filthy RichJack PowerballEight Figure JonesAnyway as far as the PPT Daniel does have his points about prize pool. Personaly I agree with Jennifer Harmon in that this Sport needs to some "100% payback" tournys. The recent WPT Championship took in $11,526,000 from players and paid out $10,961,00. Not to mention revenue from sponsorship, merchandise, and what not that the competitors saw -+ 0 . or actually -$765. per player.

[TS Clark 0]

You know, DN strikes me a pretty savvy guy. I doubt very much he thought that he'd immediately be able to snatch the Big Game away from the Bellagio as soon as Wynn opened.However, one thing we need to remember is that the "glue" that has held that game over at the Bellagio is the participation of guys like Brunson, Reese, Giang, etc.. Not for nothing (and I certainly wish nothing but good to these folks), but these guys are getting older. The Big Game right now IS those guys -- when 1-2 of them stop playing (which has to happen in the relatively near future), I think the whole situation becomes a lot less set in stone.If I was Daniel, I would really concentrate on trying to get a lot of the successful younger gun players over to my own version of a Big Game at the Wynn. Establishing these kinds of pros at Wynn in a high-stakes game would be a good move. They might not be able to play for 4K-8K right off the bat, but it's going to provide an alternative to the big game at the Bellagio. And, as I said, as that game starts losing some of its regulars, the Wynn will be well positioned to provide a high stakes alternative.In short, my point is that, right now, one of the biggest draws of the Bellagio game is the opportunity to sit with "Living Legends". Well, that won't always be the case. In business, if you can't assert yourself in a takeover or with leverage, then you have to take the longer road of providing a viable alternative through competition. May the best room win.Just a few thoughts.Shane

[HoosierAlum 0]

You know, DN strikes me a pretty savvy guy. I doubt very much he thought that he'd immediately be able to snatch the Big Game away from the Bellagio as soon as Wynn opened.However, one thing we need to remember is that the "glue" that has held that game over at the Bellagio is the participation of guys like Brunson, Reese, Giang, etc.. Not for nothing (and I certainly wish nothing but good to these folks), but these guys are getting older. The Big Game right now IS those guys -- when 1-2 of them stop playing (which has to happen in the relatively near future), I think the whole situation becomes a lot less set in stone.If I was Daniel, I would really concentrate on trying to get a lot of the successful younger gun players over to my own version of a Big Game at the Wynn. Establishing these kinds of pros at Wynn in a high-stakes game would be a good move. They might not be able to play for 4K-8K right off the bat, but it's going to provide an alternative to the big game at the Bellagio. And, as I said, as that game starts losing some of its regulars, the Wynn will be well positioned to provide a high stakes alternative.In short, my point is that, right now, one of the biggest draws of the Bellagio game is the opportunity to sit with "Living Legends". Well, that won't always be the case. In business, if you can't assert yourself in a takeover or with leverage, then you have to take the longer road of providing a viable alternative through competition. May the best room win.Just a few thoughts.Shane

Good post. DN is a savvy guy and I'm sure this has crossed his mind.