Kk - 1/2 Live (#1)

[psujohn 0]

Live 1/2 NL at Borgata in AC. Table has lots of money on it and has been fairly active building a number of large pots. Mostly standard competent 1/2 regulars with one or two donkeys but they're not primary in this hand. Hero has been at the table about 2 hours and gone from 200 down to about 100 and now back up to just under 300 playing pretty tight and pretty much only showing premium hands. Villain hasn't been very active, is sitting on around 700 (300 max buy-in) which he had when Hero arrived.Hero: ~300Villain: ~700Preflop Hero is UTG with KK.Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, villain calls, 3 others call.Flop: J 7 5r ($72)Hero leads for $50, Villain shoves, 3 folds, Hero ???

[defy 0]

i probably call here and cry when he flips over pocket 7's.

[Metternich 0]

I imagine he'd play a set for more value here and would probably 3-bet JJ preflop. I call with a pretty high degree of confidence.

[LJB723 0]

Call. Easy no?

[psujohn 0]

Can we put villain on a range here? Or is his line so odd that we just say "we got the mother****ing cowboys baby" and stick it all in.

[NoBBiR 0]

Can we put villain on a range here? Or is his line so odd that we just say "we got the mother****ing cowboys baby" and stick it all in.

I think you got it pretty much figured out.

[NoBBiR 0]

Double.

[pokerinc 0]

can't fold that there w/out super read.call all day.

[biff_goods 0]

This happened to me once with QQ. I raised preflop with about 100 behind and some guy called in late. Flop came 10 9 3 rainbowed and he shoved into me. I called (even though it took me a minute cause I was spooked and he showed a 10 8.

[Rufats 0]

IF the villain isn't a donk, I think that, most of the time, we'll see bottom two pair here. Considering that you've been playing TAG, your pre-flop raise UTG means "a premium pair". On that board, he hopes that's what you have.

[bassplayer45459 0]

Call, Villina shows KJ, QJ, or AJ

[psujohn 0]

No more love for this hand so I'll reveal it. I paused a second and called and villain shows AA. A on the turn seals it.It's a bizarre way to play AA at these stakes because he should expect that his flatting my EP opener will very likely lead to 2 or 5 more callers behind. Which it did.I'm not terribly happy to be taking KK into a 5 or 6 way flop but when I lead it should be obvious to villain that I have TPGK at worst. His overbet shove therefore continues to make no sense to me. The board is fairly dry and with a number of shortish stacks behind him who are yet to act he's certain to get snap called by any two pair or better hands. My first instinct after seeing his hand was "of course he has AA, how can I go broke with KK there". My second thought was "you shouldn't go broke with one pair" but really bizarre line and all I think it's just a cooler. His flop bet makes no sense for a flopped set which would play slower with a big field on a dry board. He line probably makes more sense with QQ than with AA (more likely to flat it pre and shove here to protect against AK catching up).The guy next to me said he's played with this guy a lot and he's very tight and he wouldn't call there without JJ. Might have been nice to know that beforehand but I still think this is a must call.

[Solar 0]

Sometimes you have kings, the other guy has aces, and you go broke. I dont think you could have thrown it away.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

i never would have expected aces, but that flop is so dry you're looking at a set pretty often

[mtdesmoines 3]

Live 1/2 NL at Borgata in AC. Table has lots of money on it and has been fairly active building a number of large pots. Mostly standard competent 1/2 regulars with one or two donkeys but they're not primary in this hand. Hero has been at the table about 2 hours and gone from 200 down to about 100 and now back up to just under 300 playing pretty tight and pretty much only showing premium hands. Villain hasn't been very active, is sitting on around 700 (300 max buy-in) which he had when Hero arrived.Hero: ~300Villain: ~700Preflop Hero is UTG with KK.Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, villain calls, 3 others call.Flop: J 7 5r ($72)Hero leads for $50, Villain shoves, 3 folds, Hero ???

I know you hate hearing it, but what does this that you beat ? hands that do this that we beat: QQhands that do this that we don't: AA JJ 77 55 75

[Money022 0]

Can we put villain on a range here? Or is his line so odd that we just say "we got the mother****ing cowboys baby" and stick it all in.

It's pretty hard to think any hand that beats you would play it so fast. From my experience playing $1/$2 NL at casinos people like to either slow play or make retarded minimum raises. I can't recall the last time I saw anybody ever overshove in a pot either. But that's just my experience.As for a range, I can think of any Jx type of hand, that's about it.Just saw the results. Very strange. AA is the last hand I would have put in there. Didn't even cross my mind.

[NoBBiR 0]

I know you hate hearing it, but what does this that you beat ? hands that do this that we beat: QQhands that do this that we don't: AA JJ 77 55 75

Are you serious? AJ, KJ, QQ, QJ, J10. It's 200nl, and we have no read with the second nut overpair. If he has a us beat, Here's my mobnies.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Are you serious? AJ, KJ, QQ, QJ, J10. It's 200nl, and we have no read with the second nut overpair. If he has a us beat, Here's my mobnies.

Not the way this played out and not with this board. AJ is the only hand I see doing this of those you listed.

[NoBBiR 0]

Not the way this played out and not with this board. AJ is the only hand I see doing this of those you listed.

Without a read though, it's hard to just give the guy credit for playing good and only showing up with AJ and then just sets. I've seen retards playing 1/2 stack off here with J8.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Without a read though, it's hard to just give the guy credit for playing good and only showing up with AJ and then just sets. I've seen retards playing 1/2 stack off here with J8.

Let's get our read, then target our retard, not the other way around.

[NoBBiR 0]

Let's get our read, then target our retard, not the other way around.

That's what I'm saying though, we don't have a read. Without a read, I'm not folding pocket Kings on a J high board to some random guy that could be a spew-artist for all I know. I hate making decision without a read, but I hate giving up equity edges just because I don't have a read as well.

[mtdesmoines 3]

That's what I'm saying though, we don't have a read. Without a read, I'm not folding pocket Kings on a J high board to some random guy that could be a spew-artist for all I know. I hate making decision without a read, but I hate giving up equity edges just because I don't have a read as well.

That's why I posted this:

I know you hate hearing it, but what does this that you beat ? hands that do this that we beat: QQhands that do this that we don't: AA JJ 77 55 75

IMHO, we can recover from a bad fold better than a bad call.

[AimHigher 0]

I hate spots like this. We've clearly defined our hand and villain has overshoved into us anyway.

[trystero 0]

Whoever says he folds this hand is lying (desmoines, looking at you). Live $200 NL is full of donks. I mean, it's the lowest limit possible live. Low limit live players, overall, are simply the worst, as they understand nothing of poker. But sometimes they get cards and cooler you. And the villain here is no exception. From MP he's flat calling with AA. WTF. In live poker that will just start a calling session. So he'll have to play his aces in a 4-way pot. Exactly the opposite of what you'd like to happen. There are times to slowplay aces; this isn't one of them. Then he overshoves into three players who have yet to act as well as hero who's already bet into a strong field. Really, the ONLY hands you can call here are QQ/KK, and you may very well muck QQ (it's a probable hand in his "tricky" range, after all). Hands like these are why you're properly rolled for a game. Shake your head and move on. Even I call this and I'm the net's largest nit.

[kingdbag 0]

i never would have expected aces, but that flop is so dry you're looking at a set pretty often

I have to totally agree with Rob here... I would never expect aces here either but most of the time when people bet this wacky on a flop like this it means they are very strong. I also agree with you that shoving here with Aces is a really bad play since only a better hand almost every time is going to call you and with that many ppl being in the hand I would want to play a small a pot as possible with AA here.Would I fold KK in this spot...not sure... it pretty much comes down to a 50/50 in my head does he have me crushed or not? with that many ppl calling my raise preflop most of the time someone plays back at you its a set... JJ 77 55