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[Vtlaxer09 4]

i love being called a donkey when i suck out when somoene lets me get there cheaply, it makes my vagina loose

FYP

[Poker Addict 0]

FYP

Wet?

[HighwayStar 8]

33/312 in that $3R, got my money all in twice, once just now 88 > A5, and once aaaaages ago in the 2nd hour AQ > 66.$130k chips@ 1.5k/3kOne time?

[HighwayStar 8]

Is that a bad call with the Jacks? the second raiser guy has shown down Ats and 99 to double recently. Was very short w/the ATI knew the first all in had a huge range as he was tilting..PokerStars Game #15594959426: Tournament #78841760, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1500/3000) - 2008/02/27 - 18:18:26 (ET)Table '78841760 83' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: Consagres (32585 in chips) Seat 2: AHighwayStar (116103 in chips) Seat 3: DyersEve88 (93420 in chips) Seat 4: C_Jay_M (58760 in chips) Seat 5: Huevonador (24921 in chips) Seat 6: ManuChao (14830 in chips) Seat 7: EssKonge (58545 in chips) Seat 8: karamba11 (44518 in chips) Seat 9: gaplamon (45695 in chips) Consagres: posts the ante 300AHighwayStar: posts the ante 300DyersEve88: posts the ante 300C_Jay_M: posts the ante 300Huevonador: posts the ante 300ManuChao: posts the ante 300EssKonge: posts the ante 300karamba11: posts the ante 300gaplamon: posts the ante 300EssKonge: posts small blind 1500karamba11: posts big blind 3000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to AHighwayStar [Jh Js]AHighwayStar said, "fair enough"gaplamon: folds Huevonador said, "but hey, for me its been good"Consagres: folds AHighwayStar: raises 4803 to 7803DyersEve88: folds C_Jay_M: folds Huevonador: raises 16818 to 24621 and is all-inManuChao: folds EssKonge: folds karamba11: raises 19597 to 44218 and is all-inAHighwayStar: calls 36415

[CodyHartman 0]

I know I know, BBFIDTS...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)MP1 (t1145)MP2 (t3560)CO (t1515)Button (t1510)Hero (t1490)BB (t2170)UTG (t1520)UTG+1 (t2180)Preflop: Hero is SB with , . 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (t150) , , (5 players)Hero checks, BB bets t30, UTG+1 calls t30, CO calls t30, Button raises to t150, Hero raises to t1460, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Button calls t1310.Turn: (t3160) (2 players)River: (t3160) (2 players)Final Pot: t3160Results in white below: Hero has 4d 4c (full house, sixes full of fours). Button has 6s 8s (four of a kind, sixes). Outcome: Button wins t3160.

[HighwayStar 8]

the ev for that hand given ranges I think they had, (and I think I'm being generous to the first raiser.)is equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 33.919% 32.93% 00.99% 13753489548 412354406.00 { JJ }Hand 1: 24.634% 23.95% 00.69% 10000820544 287513846.00 { 22+, A2s+, KQs, KQo }Hand 2: 41.447% 40.15% 01.30% 16766954976 542999552.00 { TT+, ATs+, KQs }I had to call 36k to win 82k so I guess it was an ok call.

[HighwayStar 8]

lol, got short stacked after a bad shove w/KQ ran into A7 thenPokerStars Game #15595641700: Tournament #78841760, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2500/5000) - 2008/02/27 - 18:49:21 (ET)Table '78841760 6' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: Cutbank (109500 in chips) Seat 2: King Wessex (26074 in chips) Seat 3: PhantomRay (189250 in chips) Seat 4: P.Gaziola (91558 in chips) Seat 5: longshot363 (96638 in chips) Seat 6: Foxwoody (105270 in chips) Seat 7: bigblaasmvp (90508 in chips) Seat 8: AHighwayStar (16068 in chips) Seat 9: acrobat37 (130432 in chips) Cutbank: posts the ante 500King Wessex: posts the ante 500PhantomRay: posts the ante 500P.Gaziola: posts the ante 500longshot363: posts the ante 500Foxwoody: posts the ante 500bigblaasmvp: posts the ante 500AHighwayStar: posts the ante 500acrobat37: posts the ante 500bigblaasmvp: posts small blind 2500AHighwayStar: posts big blind 5000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to AHighwayStar [3c Kc]acrobat37: raises 10000 to 15000Cutbank: folds King Wessex: raises 10574 to 25574 and is all-inPhantomRay: folds P.Gaziola: folds longshot363: folds Foxwoody: folds bigblaasmvp: folds AHighwayStar: calls 10568 and is all-inacrobat37: calls 10574*** FLOP *** [3h Ks 3s]AHighwayStar said, "ROFL"*** TURN *** [3h Ks 3s] [4c]*** RIVER *** [3h Ks 3s 4c] [4s]*** SHOW DOWN ***acrobat37: shows [9s 9c] (two pair, Nines and Fours)King Wessex: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fours)King Wessex collected 20012 from side potAHighwayStar: shows [3c Kc] (a full house, Threes full of Kings)AHighwayStar collected 53704 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 73716 Main pot 53704. Side pot 20012. | Rake 0 Board [3h Ks 3s 4c 4s]Seat 1: Cutbank folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: King Wessex showed [As Ac] and won (20012) with two pair, Aces and FoursSeat 3: PhantomRay folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: P.Gaziola folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: longshot363 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: Foxwoody (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: bigblaasmvp (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: AHighwayStar (big blind) showed [3c Kc] and won (53704) with a full house, Threes full of KingsSeat 9: acrobat37 showed [9s 9c] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours

[MyPlayIsRAB 0]

good floop for you imo

[HighwayStar 8]

Out 116th, not sure what went wrong.I'm very happy with my play up to the Jacks hand above. There are obviously mistakes, but I played as well as I ever have to that point. As I said, past the rebuy period, I only got in with all my chips twice, one was to win a race, the other a domination against a guy I had labelled as maniac.Then I called with the Jacks in the above hand, which I think is ok?Got blinded down a bit to 60k (tend to get too nitty after a big loss).Lost a race w/pair against a shorty.@ 45k, BB 5k, shove KQo from MP1, called by A7 OTB which holds, bad shove looking back on it.Then 15x back up from 4k to 50k with A6 and K3 (Above). Which was fun.Few hands later, i have 72dd in BB with 65k, shorty limps with 0 FE, (15k behind, 5k limp), folded to me in BB, I check. Flop comes JT8, 2 diamonds, I check (bad?), he shoves, I call (bad?), his KQo holds. Doubt that would have played any differently other than me folding.Rest was with, AJ>KJ for a double, then AK < QJ to get knocked out.I was too nitty but I generally had nothing but offsuit rags in the last couple of levels I played.I need to learn to find spots to resteal, but it's tough with 8-16 BB's in a $3R where people will call with any ace, especially some of the players at the last table I was on.Meh. Next time.

[BeaverStyle 1]

throw that in the krablar thread? Beautifully shows it's amazing powers..

[BeaverStyle 1]

Standard, right?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)BB (t7985)UTG (t12176)Hero (t22135)MP1 (t9635)MP2 (t11120)MP3 (t13656)CO (t3665)Button (t4254)SB (t5194)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , . 1 fold, Hero raises to t1050, 6 folds, BB calls t650.Flop: (t1900) , , (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t1600, BB calls t1600.Turn: (t5100) (2 players)BB bets t5310 (All-In), Hero calls t5310.

[CBass1724 1]

In the $3 rebuy...PokerStars Game #15599836022: Tournament #78456000, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/02/27 - 22:07:16 (ET)Table '78456000 371' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: JosephTJJ (15782 in chips) Seat 2: sauersak (12566 in chips) Seat 3: CBass1724 (19510 in chips) Seat 4: rushlicks (21615 in chips) Seat 5: tabbgesse (3085 in chips) Seat 6: crazyjerry (9229 in chips) Seat 7: Soonline (6855 in chips) Seat 8: tarheels454 (13208 in chips) Seat 9: ali-baba25 (6276 in chips) JosephTJJ: posts the ante 25sauersak: posts the ante 25CBass1724: posts the ante 25rushlicks: posts the ante 25tabbgesse: posts the ante 25crazyjerry: posts the ante 25Soonline: posts the ante 25tarheels454: posts the ante 25ali-baba25: posts the ante 25sauersak: posts small blind 200CBass1724: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to CBass1724 [9c Js]rushlicks: folds tabbgesse: folds crazyjerry: folds Soonline: folds tarheels454: folds ali-baba25: folds JosephTJJ: raises 400 to 800sauersak: calls 600CBass1724: calls 400*** FLOP *** [Qc 7c 8d]sauersak: checks CBass1724: checks JosephTJJ: bets 800sauersak: raises 1600 to 2400CBass1724: folds JosephTJJ: calls 1600*** TURN *** [Qc 7c 8d] [3s]sauersak: bets 2400JosephTJJ: calls 2400*** RIVER *** [Qc 7c 8d 3s] [Tc]sauersak: bets 2000JosephTJJ: calls 2000*** SHOW DOWN ***sauersak: shows [7h Qh] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)JosephTJJ: mucks hand sauersak collected 16225 from potCBass1724 said, "nh"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 16225 | Rake 0 Board [Qc 7c 8d 3s Tc]Seat 1: JosephTJJ (button) mucked [5d 7s]Seat 2: sauersak (small blind) showed [7h Qh] and won (16225) with two pair, Queens and SevensSeat 3: CBass1724 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: rushlicks folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: tabbgesse folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: crazyjerry folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Soonline folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: tarheels454 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: ali-baba25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)chat afterwardsCBass1724: nhsauersak: tyJosephTJJ: kqJosephTJJ: nhCBass1724: no you didntCBass1724: you had 5 7 ??JosephTJJ: oh it showedJosephTJJ: i thought only if he called meCBass1724: didnt you call the river bet?JosephTJJ: yea i thought i only have to show if he calls meJosephTJJ: oh wellCBass1724: lol donkaments

[HighwayStar 8]

Got to 2nd table of $5 shootout and gambled with what I knew was a pair 77+, I had tens. He had Jacks :/.Knocked out my some donk in the Neg-O JJ <88 (Gallo). Went through 4 rebuys in 2nd $3r, QQ < AK< and KK < JJ :/.In $11 6 max in half an hour.

[TravisG 0]

Standard, right?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)BB (t7985)UTG (t12176)Hero (t22135)MP1 (t9635)MP2 (t11120)MP3 (t13656)CO (t3665)Button (t4254)SB (t5194)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , . 1 fold, Hero raises to t1050, 6 folds, BB calls t650.Flop: (t1900) , , (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t1600, BB calls t1600.Turn: (t5100) (2 players)BB bets t5310 (All-In), Hero calls t5310.

how is that standard? if he's a donkey and you've seen him making this move then its okay i guess, but it looks like he hit 8s full on the turn, or at least he has a jack or maybe 44. reads on villain help. the flatting on the flop should get you suspicious. maybe he had 99 TT or whatever, but i have no idea why he would shove the turn with that.

[chgocubs99 0]

how is that standard? if he's a donkey and you've seen him making this move then its okay i guess, but it looks like he hit 8s full on the turn, or at least he has a jack or maybe 44. reads on villain help. the flatting on the flop should get you suspicious. maybe he had 99 TT or whatever, but i have no idea why he would shove the turn with that.

I disagree 100% with most of what you said, with the exception that 44 is a possibility. You are analyzing it like this based on "results" because he posed the question "Standard, right?" implying that he lost the hand. This is a pair 55>10 10 enough to make this call fairly standard in my opinion.

[HangukMiguk 8]

I really despise 4.40's more than i ever thought possible. Apparently these people are able to dress themselves:PokerStars Game #15601221875: Tournament #78964472, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/02/27 - 23:14:49 (ET)Table '78964472 15' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: Trojan 1998 (1150 in chips) Seat 2: harry47 (1740 in chips) Seat 3: Kingfinga (1470 in chips) Seat 4: miky_1983 (1590 in chips) Seat 6: ImAGayRobot (1480 in chips) Seat 7: SD_n_R (1500 in chips) Seat 8: JoshHamric (1500 in chips) Seat 9: e_dawg187 (1670 in chips) ImAGayRobot: posts small blind 10SD_n_R: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to ImAGayRobot [Qc Js]JoshHamric: folds 70 Moose is connected e_dawg187: folds Trojan 1998: raises 20 to 40harry47: folds Kingfinga: folds miky_1983: folds ImAGayRobot: calls 30SD_n_R: calls 20*** FLOP *** [6c Qd 5c]ImAGayRobot: checks SD_n_R: checks Trojan 1998: bets 100ImAGayRobot: raises 200 to 300SD_n_R: calls 300Trojan 1998: calls 200*** TURN *** [6c Qd 5c] [Kh]ImAGayRobot: bets 1140 and is all-inSD_n_R: folds Trojan 1998: calls 810 and is all-in*** RIVER *** [6c Qd 5c Kh] [7c]*** SHOW DOWN ***ImAGayRobot: shows [Qc Js] (a pair of Queens)Trojan 1998: shows [Ks Ts] (a pair of Kings)Trojan 1998 collected 2640 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2640 | Rake 0 Board [6c Qd 5c Kh 7c]Seat 1: Trojan 1998 showed [Ks Ts] and won (2640) with a pair of KingsSeat 2: harry47 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Kingfinga folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: miky_1983 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: ImAGayRobot (small blind) showed [Qc Js] and lost with a pair of QueensSeat 7: SD_n_R (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 8: JoshHamric folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: e_dawg187 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[TravisG 0]

This is a pair 55>10 10 enough to make this call fairly standard in my opinion.

why would he open shove the turn?and no, not result orientated. the openshove on the turn to me looks like 80% 8s full, 10% donkish-move with whatever and 10% anything else (bad bluff / partial bluff with TT or 99, or whatever).

[chgocubs99 0]

why would he open shove the turn?and no, not result orientated. the openshove on the turn to me looks like 80% 8s full, 10% donkish-move with whatever and 10% anything else (bad bluff / partial bluff with TT or 99, or whatever).

Because low limit tournament players don't open shove made full houses.Actually, high limit tournament players don't either, usually. But certainly not low limit tournaments.

[TravisG 0]

Because low limit tournament players don't open shove made full houses.

i've seen that quite a bit. confusing things like:200/400 hero raises to t1000 with ak or something, sb/bb calls. flop A 7 3. sb/bb checks hero leads, sb /bb calls.turn 9sb/bb moves all in. move puzzles you a bit, but you call and donkey shows 999. all that it needs usually is a player who doesnt think well about situations. he calls the flop thinking "hey this donk just c-bets, no way hes got an ace". the set comes and he thinks "oh goddamn! maybe he'S got an ace! He's gonna call for sure, and if he doesnt have an ace i dont get any moneyyzzz anyways! SHOVEELLTIME"thats why i said reads on villains help. to be true i wouldnt be able to put any competent player on anything other than a total bluff there.

[Gallo 1]

So yesterday I had a profit of $3.70Played 3 today, I had:1st=$4.502nd=$2.700Total=$7.20-$3.75 (buyins)=$3.45Total profit to date=$7.15So $7.15 + $12.50=$19.65I need to get to $22.50 to jump to the $2.25 SNGs. So I just need $2.85 to make the jump.

[qyayqi 11]

I really despise 4.40's more than i ever thought possible. Apparently these people are able to dress themselves:PokerStars Game #15601221875: Tournament #78964472, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/02/27 - 23:14:49 (ET)Table '78964472 15' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: Trojan 1998 (1150 in chips) Seat 2: harry47 (1740 in chips) Seat 3: Kingfinga (1470 in chips) Seat 4: miky_1983 (1590 in chips) Seat 6: ImAGayRobot (1480 in chips) Seat 7: SD_n_R (1500 in chips) Seat 8: JoshHamric (1500 in chips) Seat 9: e_dawg187 (1670 in chips) ImAGayRobot: posts small blind 10SD_n_R: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to ImAGayRobot [Qc Js]JoshHamric: folds 70 Moose is connected e_dawg187: folds Trojan 1998: raises 20 to 40harry47: folds Kingfinga: folds miky_1983: folds ImAGayRobot: calls 30SD_n_R: calls 20*** FLOP *** [6c Qd 5c]ImAGayRobot: checks SD_n_R: checks Trojan 1998: bets 100ImAGayRobot: raises 200 to 300SD_n_R: calls 300Trojan 1998: calls 200*** TURN *** [6c Qd 5c] [Kh]ImAGayRobot: bets 1140 and is all-inSD_n_R: folds Trojan 1998: calls 810 and is all-in*** RIVER *** [6c Qd 5c Kh] [7c]*** SHOW DOWN ***ImAGayRobot: shows [Qc Js] (a pair of Queens)Trojan 1998: shows [Ks Ts] (a pair of Kings)Trojan 1998 collected 2640 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2640 | Rake 0 Board [6c Qd 5c Kh 7c]Seat 1: Trojan 1998 showed [Ks Ts] and won (2640) with a pair of KingsSeat 2: harry47 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Kingfinga folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: miky_1983 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: ImAGayRobot (small blind) showed [Qc Js] and lost with a pair of QueensSeat 7: SD_n_R (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 8: JoshHamric folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: e_dawg187 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

satandard.

[Dapper Dan G 0]

ok, this is obviously a bad beat, but can you ever justify the SB's play? this is a 11+1 180man turbo, so you gotta play your hands hard, but to me this is just a straightforward donk move and he got lucky. im just trying to imagine a scenario where calling with JK in that spot is going to be +EV, maybe if hes putting me on a low pp and the original raiser with air? idk, just kind of frustrated, gotten deep in a bunch of these and have had hands like this come up... is putting yourself in gambling situations for big pots a real strategy? anybody play these 11+1 alot let me knowPokerStars Game #15590622274: Tournament #78909833, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/02/27 - 15:09:05 (ET)Table '78909833 15' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: thecrow80 (2860 in chips) Seat 2: airesm (2880 in chips) Seat 3: sagedecarte (5915 in chips) Seat 4: Nizz3 (1965 in chips) Seat 5: 54WINEMAN (5160 in chips) Seat 6: Mo Cheeze (2480 in chips) Seat 7: tcbjoost (4330 in chips) Seat 8: bronxborn45 (6340 in chips) Seat 9: jean moody (2885 in chips) 54WINEMAN: posts small blind 100Mo Cheeze: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to sagedecarte [Qd Qc]tcbjoost: folds bronxborn45: calls 200jean moody: folds thecrow80: raises 800 to 1000airesm: folds sagedecarte: raises 4915 to 5915 and is all-inNizz3 has timed outNizz3: folds Nizz3 is sitting outNizz3 has returned54WINEMAN: calls 5060 and is all-inMo Cheeze: folds bronxborn45: folds thecrow80: calls 1860 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [Ts Jd 6h]*** TURN *** [Ts Jd 6h] [Js]*** RIVER *** [Ts Jd 6h Js] [4c]*** SHOW DOWN ***54WINEMAN: shows [Jc Kd] (three of a kind, Jacks)sagedecarte: shows [Qd Qc] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)54WINEMAN collected 4600 from side potthecrow80: shows [Jh Ac] (three of a kind, Jacks - Ace kicker)thecrow80 collected 8980 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 13580 Main pot 8980. Side pot 4600. | Rake 0 Board [Ts Jd 6h Js 4c]Seat 1: thecrow80 showed [Jh Ac] and won (8980) with three of a kind, JacksSeat 2: airesm folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: sagedecarte showed [Qd Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and JacksSeat 4: Nizz3 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: 54WINEMAN (small blind) showed [Jc Kd] and won (4600) with three of a kind, JacksSeat 6: Mo Cheeze (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: tcbjoost folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: bronxborn45 folded before FlopSeat 9: jean moody folded before Flop (didn't bet)

if you spend your time trying to justify bad players' plays, you're just going to drive yourself crazy. and i don't see why getting your money in good would make you frustrated, it should give you confidence. people are way too results oriented imo.

[Dapper Dan G 0]

Is that a bad call with the Jacks? the second raiser guy has shown down Ats and 99 to double recently. Was very short w/the ATI knew the first all in had a huge range as he was tilting..PokerStars Game #15594959426: Tournament #78841760, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1500/3000) - 2008/02/27 - 18:18:26 (ET)Table '78841760 83' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: Consagres (32585 in chips) Seat 2: AHighwayStar (116103 in chips) Seat 3: DyersEve88 (93420 in chips) Seat 4: C_Jay_M (58760 in chips) Seat 5: Huevonador (24921 in chips) Seat 6: ManuChao (14830 in chips) Seat 7: EssKonge (58545 in chips) Seat 8: karamba11 (44518 in chips) Seat 9: gaplamon (45695 in chips) Consagres: posts the ante 300AHighwayStar: posts the ante 300DyersEve88: posts the ante 300C_Jay_M: posts the ante 300Huevonador: posts the ante 300ManuChao: posts the ante 300EssKonge: posts the ante 300karamba11: posts the ante 300gaplamon: posts the ante 300EssKonge: posts small blind 1500karamba11: posts big blind 3000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to AHighwayStar [Jh Js]AHighwayStar said, "fair enough"gaplamon: folds Huevonador said, "but hey, for me its been good"Consagres: folds AHighwayStar: raises 4803 to 7803DyersEve88: folds C_Jay_M: folds Huevonador: raises 16818 to 24621 and is all-inManuChao: folds EssKonge: folds karamba11: raises 19597 to 44218 and is all-inAHighwayStar: calls 36415

show the hands or describe them better, just merely saying he doubled with x or y says nothing about how he plays. things to consider are how your opponents are, but you definitely have to tell us how you're perceived at the table. and i don't think the first shover's range is as wide as you think it is, assuming he isn't a total idiot and realizes that he has no fold equity. you're raising 3rd to act, so you have to give them more credit for hands, as they should be giving you due to your position.

[SpeedKills 0]

my SNG and tourney results so far for the week:

[Dapper Dan G 0]

I really despise 4.40's more than i ever thought possible. Apparently these people are able to dress themselves:PokerStars Game #15601221875: Tournament #78964472, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/02/27 - 23:14:49 (ET)Table '78964472 15' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: Trojan 1998 (1150 in chips) Seat 2: harry47 (1740 in chips) Seat 3: Kingfinga (1470 in chips) Seat 4: miky_1983 (1590 in chips) Seat 6: ImAGayRobot (1480 in chips) Seat 7: SD_n_R (1500 in chips) Seat 8: JoshHamric (1500 in chips) Seat 9: e_dawg187 (1670 in chips) ImAGayRobot: posts small blind 10SD_n_R: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to ImAGayRobot [Qc Js]JoshHamric: folds 70 Moose is connected e_dawg187: folds Trojan 1998: raises 20 to 40harry47: folds Kingfinga: folds miky_1983: folds ImAGayRobot: calls 30SD_n_R: calls 20*** FLOP *** [6c Qd 5c]ImAGayRobot: checks SD_n_R: checks Trojan 1998: bets 100ImAGayRobot: raises 200 to 300SD_n_R: calls 300Trojan 1998: calls 200*** TURN *** [6c Qd 5c] [Kh]ImAGayRobot: bets 1140 and is all-inSD_n_R: folds Trojan 1998: calls 810 and is all-in*** RIVER *** [6c Qd 5c Kh] [7c]*** SHOW DOWN ***ImAGayRobot: shows [Qc Js] (a pair of Queens)Trojan 1998: shows [Ks Ts] (a pair of Kings)Trojan 1998 collected 2640 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2640 | Rake 0 Board [6c Qd 5c Kh 7c]Seat 1: Trojan 1998 showed [Ks Ts] and won (2640) with a pair of KingsSeat 2: harry47 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Kingfinga folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: miky_1983 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: ImAGayRobot (small blind) showed [Qc Js] and lost with a pair of QueensSeat 7: SD_n_R (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 8: JoshHamric folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: e_dawg187 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

i'd fold preflop, but i don't know what you're thinking by shoving that turn, especially into a multiway pot.