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[AimHigher 0]

I like the bet size on the flop, but once called i'm just checking and hoping to see a free river

I feel like an argument can be made for value betting the turn against some villains, but I like this line as a default

[nutzzcase 0]

Raise only gets called by a better low or the made nut straight IMO. EP limp at this point of very shallow stacks seems to me like a weak A2 often. His range is wider than this, but I think A2 makes up a hefty chunk of his range. Definitely can't release on this flop IMO, even though he does follow through with a full PSB on the flop. I like the call over raise here as well because I don't see him firing a second barrel without 56, and it's possible A2 may check behind on the turn to try and coax a river bet with position, especially if he's covered with a 5 too in hand.....meaning often times your call will get you two cards to get your nuts draws filled.It's good to know if your opponent is capable of pulling off a big pot bet on the river on total air, granted in this hand it doesnt matter because that river 5 shuts you down for sure.

tks dude.Now,what if the river is a high card and he bets pot? Do we still fold the river?

[TrueAce13 18]

I feel like an argument can be made for value betting the turn against some villains, but I like this line as a default

meh....i mean, it is early, we don't want to get too involved with a draw...i just think against a complete idiot is who we can vbet, but even then

[HighwayStar 8]

from 80kA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($50+$5) t10/t20 - 9 playersUTG+1: t2,910 MP: t3,230 MP2: t2,900 HJ: t1,780 CO: t3,190 Button: t4,100 SB: t3,162 (Hero)BB: t2,743 UTG: t2,985 Preflop: (t30) Hero is SB with (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20, 2 folds, HJ raises to t60, CO calls t60, Button calls t60, Hero?

[nutzzcase 0]

from 80kA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($50+$5) t10/t20 - 9 playersUTG+1: t2,910 MP: t3,230 MP2: t2,900 HJ: t1,780 CO: t3,190 Button: t4,100 SB: t3,162 (Hero)BB: t2,743 UTG: t2,985 Preflop: (t30) Hero is SB with (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20, 2 folds, HJ raises to t60, CO calls t60, Button calls t60, Hero?

I would reraise to 200-220EDIT: he's probably gonna 4-bet a lot of pocket pairs (99+) in which case you are playing for his stack

[outsider13 0]

I would reraise to 200-220

I don't think that would be enough. There's 230 in the pot already. You'd have to raise like 300ish for it to be somewhat effective.I'd probably choose to play this like a pussy and flat call, even though we have AK and we are oop. But if we do raise to 300 and HJ shoves, do we fold?

[HighwayStar 8]

I'm not sure wether a reraise is good or not. I do know that if we do raise we should make it at least 300, probably 350.

[nutzzcase 0]

I don't think that would be enough. There's 230 in the pot already. You'd have to raise like 300ish for it to be somewhat effective.I'd probably choose to play this like a pussy and flat call, even though we have AK and we are oop. But if we do raise to 300 and HJ shoves, do we fold?

if we reraise 2 much he's probably shoving more often.I hate calling with AK oop with that many people behind.

[nutzzcase 0]

I'm not sure wether a reraise is good or not. I do know that if we do raise we should make it at least 300, probably 350.

any reads on HJ?

[Naslund44 0]

from 80kA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($50+$5) t10/t20 - 9 playersUTG+1: t2,910 MP: t3,230 MP2: t2,900 HJ: t1,780 CO: t3,190 Button: t4,100 SB: t3,162 (Hero)BB: t2,743 UTG: t2,985 Preflop: (t30) Hero is SB with (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20, 2 folds, HJ raises to t60, CO calls t60, Button calls t60, Hero?

pretty much only bad players are raising to 60 here, and its 'usually' super strong. that said i prob make it 325ish and hope he just flats/folds.

[Naslund44 0]

any reads on HJ?

[HighwayStar 8]

No, it was very early. He's a 27/6/0.8 now.

[nutzzcase 0]

pretty much only bad players are raising to 60 here, and its 'usually' super strong.

really? :S

[coug2828 8]

pretty much only bad players are raising to 60 here, and its 'usually' super strong. that said i prob make it 325ish and hope he just flats/folds.

why do you think that?

[HighwayStar 8]

I mean he should be making it 80. I don't think making it 60 is a sign of a bad player, maybe more a mediocre one (or trueace13 who just misses limpers every time).In this case it's probably just the same as his opening range, which is probably fairly tight.

[Naslund44 0]

why do you think that?

i mean with a limp behind, when are we EVER making it 60?just from my experience, a bad player wants action with big hands and thus wont raise it as big as he should. just an observation.

[kobe2odom8 14]

3xing a limper = terrible player /thread

[outsider13 0]

3xing a limper = terrible player /thread

End the whole thread?

[outsider13 0]

And btw, 3x a limper = bad playerMinraising 4 limpers = terrible player

[TrueAce13 18]

3xing a limper = terrible player /thread

<-----3x's limpers

[nutzzcase 0]

End the whole thread?

yes, terrible players = end thread

[outsider13 0]

<-----3x's limpers

Dont worry, you're only bad according to my logic

[tbrick412 0]

how bad did i play this, be nice if its a standard hand then i'm sorry. from 9.90 360 max tonightPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 9.9 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB (t1450)UTG (t2805)UTG+1 (t655)MP1 (t1470)MP2 (t1690)MP3 (t2085)Hero (CO) (t2140)Button (t2060)SB (t1440)Hero's M: 47.56Preflop: Hero is CO with J , J 3 folds, MP2 bets t90, 1 fold, Hero calls t90, Button raises to t420, 4 foldsTotal pot: t315Results:Button didn't showOutcome: Button won t315

[MaxStPolish 4]

tks dude.Now,what if the river is a high card and he bets pot? Do we still fold the river?

We re-evaluate then. It will come down to your reads on this villain. This the exact type of hand that villain analysis is important. 3rd nut low and a middle pair. We are calling for the low, but it's very possible that villain could have A2 with a blank board, still earning the chop. The problem is is that you scoop here like never and you get stacked ~30-40% of the time (total guesstimate). All things equal i probably tank and fold. 10BBs is still workable in this PLO/8 tournies since they have no antes. I wouldn't say a call on this hypothetical river is awful, just that ~60% of the time you get your start hand stack back, and ~40% of the time you are crippled, which is why I'd lay down.

[Naslund44 0]

3xing a limper = terrible player /thread

ok that was a little dumb 80 is good , 60 isnt as good imo.