A Call To The Fcp Community Relationship Advice

[renaedawn 1]

REALLY. I mean, she browses here. she has to have seen my posts. and I mean really, what woman wouldn't want a little slice of the zuma?

I like the Zuma with a cinnamon Jolly Rancher.

[Loismustdie 0]

Again, JM this is not a big deal. Have your friend go to a club with here boyfriend that way she can see exactly what doesn't go on. As far as her being insecure because her ex liked porn, I can see that, although that's not as much about porn as it is about her not being as exciting as porn. Help the man out here, JM, explain to this girl who obviously listens to you exactly what is in porn that she MUST emulate in order to remain sexy, and desirable. I think that is the clear, rock hard answer.

[Ouch-8s 4]

I like the Zuma's cinnamon ring.

oh my

[ShakeZuma 585]

smell you later?

You had me until the bolded....

I like the Zuma with a cinnamon Jolly Rancher.

see jessica? 1 post, 3 responses.hero.

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Hey everyone!This is Jmkiser's friend..for those of you who like him, I hope I am well recieved. For those of you who don't..well..I'm sure I'll hear about it.I asked JM to post on Jessica's behalf ( she isn't the one who reads these forums, I do.)You guys are great and I appreciate all your honest thougths. I created this account so I could maybe include myself in the discussion. I guess I just wanted to make it clear that had the bf showed an interest in these places Jessica would have chosen not to pursue a relationship with him. It's perfectly ok to not want to be with someone who does not share your same values. Prudish as it is, she doesn't like those places. The fact that the bf made it clear that he didnt either was just another thing they had in common. The relationship went on without any further talk about it until that couple days before he was to leave. What is being said is that her issue is with the strip club and tits and asses when the issue is that they both, or so she thought, had felt the same way about something. So yes, I guess the strip club has to do with her anger. But also the lying.The two people are not immature although I know it's been said that they are. The two people have a very open, loving, and honest relationship. There is no shame in wanting to keep it that way and there is nothing wrong with wanting to be able to trust the person who says they feel a certain way about something and wanting them to mean it. Thanks again for giving this good discussion.

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<giggles at Zuma>

[Lolli 0]

Hey everyone!This is Jmkiser's friend..for those of you who like him, I hope I am well recieved. For those of you who don't..well..I'm sure I'll hear about it.I asked JM to post on Jessica's behalf ( she isn't the one who reads these forums, I do.)You guys are great and I appreciate all your honest thougths. I created this account so I could maybe include myself in the discussion. I guess I just wanted to make it clear that had the bf showed an interest in these places Jessica would have chosen not to pursue a relationship with him. It's perfectly ok to not want to be with someone who does not share your same values. Prudish as it is, she doesn't like those places. The fact that the bf made it clear that he didnt either was just another thing they had in common. The relationship went on without any further talk about it until that couple days before he was to leave. What is being said is that her issue is with the strip club and tits and asses when the issue is that they both, or so she thought, had felt the same way about something. So yes, I guess the strip club has to do with her anger. But also the lying.The two people are not immature although I know it's been said that they are. The two people have a very open, loving, and honest relationship. There is no shame in wanting to keep it that way and there is nothing wrong with wanting to be able to trust the person who says they feel a certain way about something and wanting them to mean it. Thanks again for giving this good discussion.

Thanks for coming in here and clarifying for us. I didnt mean to come off as a snotty bitch, but it was clear there was more to it than "just" the lie itself. I hope she is happy in whatever path she chooses to take.Enjoy the forum!

[Lolli 0]

<giggles at Zuma>

OH GOD NO!I can picture something swelling on him at this very moment.

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Thanks for coming in here and clarifying for us. I didnt mean to come off as a snotty bitch, but it was clear there was more to it than "just" the lie itself. I hope she is happy in whatever path she chooses to take.Enjoy the forum!

Lolli, I did not take offense to anything you said or anyone else. I did find some things a bit hard to take/understand..but thats just me..I just really like seeing what you all have to say and I appreciate everyone letting me browse.

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OH GOD NO!I can picture something swelling on him at this very moment.

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JM

[chrozzo 19]

Lolli, I did not take offense to anything you said or anyone else. I did find some things a bit hard to take/understand..but thats just me..I just really like seeing what you all have to say and I appreciate everyone letting me browse.

hi

[Suited_Up 2]

hi

So awesome. Multiple level hi, I love it!

[speedz99 145]

I don't think many guys would exactly exclaim their love of stripclubs to their girlfriend.

pro

p.s. Way to pick out ONE word of everything I said to pick apart. Come on now!

I mean...it was kind of the most important thing you said. But I hear you.

I created this account so I could maybe include myself in the discussion. I guess I just wanted to make it clear that had the bf showed an interest in these places Jessica would have chosen not to pursue a relationship with him. It's perfectly ok to not want to be with someone who does not share your same values. Prudish as it is, she doesn't like those places. The fact that the bf made it clear that he didnt either was just another thing they had in common. The relationship went on without any further talk about it until that couple days before he was to leave.

Sorry, but most (or at least many) guys lie about their feelings toward strip clubs, especially when dating a prude girl. That's life...although technically that probably isn't fair. She really does need to grow up and realize that even guys that don't 'love' strip clubs might still go with friends once in a long while.

The two people have a very open, loving, and honest relationship.

Except when it comes to strip clubs...which is very normal.

[pocket3s 0]

Hey everyone!This is Jmkiser's friend..for those of you who like him, I hope I am well recieved. For those of you who don't..well..I'm sure I'll hear about it.I asked JM to post on Jessica's behalf ( she isn't the one who reads these forums, I do.)You guys are great and I appreciate all your honest thougths. I created this account so I could maybe include myself in the discussion. I guess I just wanted to make it clear that had the bf showed an interest in these places Jessica would have chosen not to pursue a relationship with him. It's perfectly ok to not want to be with someone who does not share your same values. Prudish as it is, she doesn't like those places. The fact that the bf made it clear that he didnt either was just another thing they had in common. The relationship went on without any further talk about it until that couple days before he was to leave. What is being said is that her issue is with the strip club and tits and asses when the issue is that they both, or so she thought, had felt the same way about something. So yes, I guess the strip club has to do with her anger. But also the lying.The two people are not immature although I know it's been said that they are. The two people have a very open, loving, and honest relationship. There is no shame in wanting to keep it that way and there is nothing wrong with wanting to be able to trust the person who says they feel a certain way about something and wanting them to mean it. Thanks again for giving this good discussion.

*sighs* I'm going to tell the truth. Everyday we, and by we I mean most guys, do whatever we can in moral and ethical limits to see what's going on underneath a womans clothing. It's embarrassing to admit but what can I say? If you bend over and reveal a little cleavage, we are looking. If you bend over and your thong sticks out of the top of your blue jeans, we are looking. If the wind blows and your skirt dances like something might be getting ready to revealed, we are looking. Now, take that knowledge and know that in a Strip Club we can see everything that we are looking for and it cost a dollar. It's like the extra value menu of life. Now, we are nowhere near as into those women as our girlfriends/wives and they could prob never fill those roles(not seriously anyway). So I'll just go ahead and put this out there, if a guy says "I hate stripclubs", he's a liar. Now I guess there are exceptions to this rule but the exceptions would be worse not better. It's not our fault, it's in our nature. So your friend may break up with this guy for being a liar and never speak to him again and at this point that's prob what's best for both of them. But before she goes out and finds some other guy that can't possibly hold up to her standards, she needs to seek help to solve the problem bc with this looming over her head, she can never be happy.

[Suited_Up 2]

Sorry, but most (or at least many) guys lie about their feelings toward strip clubs, especially when dating a prude girl. That's life...although technically that probably isn't fair. She really does need to grow up and realize that even guys that don't 'love' strip clubs might still go with friends once in a long while.Except when it comes to strip clubs...which is very normal.

Yes!

*sighs* I'm going to tell the truth. Everyday we, and by we I mean most guys, do whatever we can in moral and ethical limits to see what's going on underneath a womans clothing. It's embarrassing to admit but what can I say? If you bend over and reveal a little cleavage, we are looking. If you bend over and your thong sticks out of the top of your blue jeans, we are looking. If the wind blows and your skirt dances like something might be getting ready to revealed, we are looking. Now, take that knowledge and know that in a Strip Club we can see everything that we are looking for and it cost a dollar. It's like the extra value menu of life. Now, we are nowhere near as into those women as our girlfriends/wives and they could prob never fill those roles(not seriously anyway). So I'll just go ahead and put this out there, if a guy says "I hate stripclubs", he's a liar. Now I guess there are exceptions to this rule but the exceptions would be worse not better. It's not our fault, it's in our nature. So your friend may break up with this guy for being a liar and never speak to him again and at this point that's prob what's best for both of them. But before she goes out and finds some other guy that can't possibly hold up to her standards, she needs to seek help to solve the problem bc with this looming over her head, she can never be happy.

Yes!

[mtdesmoines 3]

I guess I just wanted to make it clear that had the bf showed an interest in these places SEX Jessica would have chosen not to pursue a relationship with him.

[mtdesmoines 3]

But before she goes out and finds some other guy that can't possibly hold up to her standards, TO MAKE MISERABLE WITH CONTROLLING AND PUNISHING BEHAVIORS she needs to seek help to solve the problem bc with this looming over her head, she can never be happy.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Fixing posts. Obv.

[loogie 115]

<giggles at Zuma><puts on robe and wizard hat>

[finztotheleft 0]

but something tells me that if he told her upfront, she wouldnt have allowed it then either.

My issue is with him, because he didn't have the balls to tell her he was going. We can't know what her reaction to that would have been, because of the choices he made.If we accept his rationale for not telling her as his concern for her feelings because of her past relationship issues with porn, how do we excuse his ignoring the fact that her other issue with the past relationship was about lying ? His attempt toprotect her feelings was seriously misguided, IMHO. He knew about her worries about porn and lying, yet he purposely deceived her about his plans and then repeatedly lied about it after the fact. How much differently this all could have gone down if he had been upfront about his plans and said , "Honey, I'm not thrilled about going to a strip club (an acceptable white lie), but I really want to spend the evening with Tim and that's what he has his heart set on doing. I know this is similar to the porn issue, but I swear you are the only woman I am interested in........and I'll prove it to you when I get home (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)." Even if Jessica had complained, just say, "Honey, I know that you don't like it, but I am going this one time and we can talk about this more when I get home." Then, when he gets home, say something like, "I am so glad that I am with you and don't have to go to that shallow oversexualized environment. I don't get why Tim likes that at all."Maybe Jessica does have some issues, but if Jeff knows about them and wants to be in a relationship with her, he needs to learn how to deal with things appropriately, not by being a lying scuzball and purposely aggravating those issues. He sounds very immature to me......and has some work to do to be relationship material. I'm not saying that's a definately kick him to the curb offense, but he has a lot of work to do to prove that he is a responsible and caring partner.Good luck girl !

[chrozzo 19]

hi

[pocket3s 0]

My issue is with him, because he didn't have the balls to tell her he was going. We can't know what her reaction to that would have been, because of the choices he made.If we accept his rationale for not telling her as his concern for her feelings because of her past relationship issues with porn, how do we excuse his ignoring the fact that her other issue with the past relationship was about lying ? His attempt toprotect her feelings was seriously misguided, IMHO. He knew about her worries about porn and lying, yet he purposely deceived her about his plans and then repeatedly lied about it after the fact. How much differently this all could have gone down if he had been upfront about his plans and said , "Honey, I'm not thrilled about going to a strip club (an acceptable white lie), but I really want to spend the evening with Tim and that's what he has his heart set on doing. I know this is similar to the porn issue, but I swear you are the only woman I am interested in........and I'll prove it to you when I get home (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)." Even if Jessica had complained, just say, "Honey, I know that you don't like it, but I am going this one time and we can talk about this more when I get home." Then, when he gets home, say something like, "I am so glad that I am with you and don't have to go to that shallow oversexualized environment. I don't get why Tim likes that at all."Maybe Jessica does have some issues, but if Jeff knows about them and wants to be in a relationship with her, he needs to learn how to deal with things appropriately, not by being a lying scuzball and purposely aggravating those issues. He sounds very immature to me......and has some work to do to be relationship material. I'm not saying that's a definately kick him to the curb offense, but he has a lot of work to do to prove that he is a responsible and caring partner.Good luck girl !

But this is based on the falsehood that women are rational creatures. This relationship was built on a pipe dream that couldn't possibly support itself. His lying and her mistrust led to an EPIC argument over a minor issue.

[ShakeZuma 585]

<giggles at Zuma>

scorealso, I suppose I should post a semi-serious response in here. why the hell not. ok, its sounds like jessica wants to be with a guy who doesn't like strip clubs in the least bit, not even for a once in a blue moon whim kinda thing. well contrary to what everybody said, there are plenty of guys out there like that; they're called homosexuals. get her one of them.I hear they enjoy shopping as well.

[DoinSublime 0]

scorealso, I suppose I should post a semi-serious response in here. why the hell not. ok, its sounds like jessica wants to be with a guy who doesn't like strip clubs in the least bit, not even for a once in a blue moon whim kinda thing. well contrary to what everybody said, there are plenty of guys out there like that; they're called homosexuals. get her one of them.I hear they enjoy shopping as well.

I didn't read the thread, and my response was a joke...I think, and I don't mean to ride a superheros coattails or anything but if I was to try and give a serious answer:^^^^^^^Shake for Pres