sactownjoey

Is your pf minraise a tactic you only use HU or do you do it full ring too? I ask because I do know good players who do that heads up because they are exceptional at reading players and playing post flop. I am not one of those players.As mtdesmoines said, it's pretty atrocious multihanded.

I don't know. Is this a MTT? Lots of players left? You need chips, you are one of the shortest stacks at the table with quickly dwindling FE. I think I am shoving to pick up the 625 in blinds and antes.

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Am I reading the OP wrong? Did you have 2-pair to his pair?And why are you minraising twice?

looshle, are you doing the same with 88-77 or lower pp? When are you set mining in this situation?

I don't think there is any way you can fold this hand. Shove.EDIT: I am assuming you aren't even entertaining the thought of flatting. I think the minraise is either very strong or you are being tested to see if you are c-betting with air.

Isn't this the information that is most relevant here? He flats the original raise then min 4-bets? I don't think this is worse than QQ-AA, AK ever with a generally loose-passive player. I expect on the KJ hand you cited if you had raised him on either the flop or turn he would have folded so I don't give him aggression credit there for c-betting and you playing passively.Then he is flatting the donk's $65 allin on the flop, making no attempt to push you off the hand. He knows this is going to showdown and he doesn't seem to care what you have.I would have been done when he 4-bet pf and I

The deck had two Jd? I'd call somebody...

Alarm bells go off for me when passive players lead the flop and turn. This may be horrible but I fold the turn. IMO, this is how droolers make money. People see that they are weak most of the time but refuse to see the signs of strength when they are pretty obvious. This is a great situation against a laggy player but horrible against a drooler.

How so?

I understand what you are saying and your intent. But, IMO, 1010 is not a trapping hand unless you know you are going to be raised light behind. Since you know the people you are playing against, did you think you were getting raised with any pp, suited connectors, etc? Even if you get raised behind and your trap "works" were you going to shove over the top pf? Flat then shove the flop? I have done this before in cash games at maniacal tables where every pot is raised pf because I know I am ahead of the huge raising raises of the others at the table. However, I can't imagine a scenario

On the original hand, I am in complete agreement w/jmbreslin. The extra 500 chips absolutely does not justify the shove.

I fold this pf w/o a solid reason to do otherwise.

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I think you have to shove, right? I suppose he could have a set or J9, possibly AJ but I can't imagine that. I think Q10, K10, 8 10, nfd all play like this.

KK live in a laggy game I can't imagine this is a fold.

Fold pf. It's hard playing with an aggressive, deep stacked player to your right if you aren't comfortable playing back but that is not an excuse to panic and shove your entire stack on a bad hand.Read Harrington on Hold 'em.

I fold pf because this flop is about the best you can hope for and you are still is no man's land. I think if you do call pf, you need to c/r or c/f against a laggy player on the flop. Donking the flop looks like you have a 10 or smallish pair and you probably aren't folding out anything he raised with pf.

Fold pf, raise turn bigger, fold river.villain: call pf, c/c flop, donk/call turn, donk pot bet on river...nothing about this makes me think we are ahead.

call, call, call, call, call...

b/f the turn > c/f the turn > c/c the turn. With 4 players, I bet the flop because I'm not giving out free cards.

Its an unraised pot, not unopened. I have had this same discussion with some really good players about how to play this from the SB given the pot odds you get. Some are adamant about folding and some say they are never folding with stacks this deep but they all agree that you have to know how to fold after the flop when it is very possible you don't have the best of it. The reason I would fold pf is because I know I am much more likely to be playing a marginal hand OOP than I am to hit a huge hand and get paid off. I see a lot of players at these stakes play any two suited cards pf so I se

This is not good reasoning. I fold this hand 100% of the time in an opened pot pf, especially early in a tournament and for the exact reason that you posted the hand. You end up in the dark a lot, especially when facing resistance like you did.

Are those your stats or villain's? I probably lead the turn for 700 and fold to a raise. I think b/f>c/f>c/r. If I lead the turn and get called, I don't know what I am doing on the river. Maybe c/c a non spade if I think villain could bluff a busted FD. I doubt I would lead.

Why? What part of this hand makes you think that?