linkwood

.25/.50 blinds. 8 handed home game. Stack sizes: Hero (button) - ~80Villian 1 (UTG +1) - ~45Villian 2 (MP)- ~70Hero dealt 9c9dPreflopVillian 1 limps, Villian 2 limps, 2 folds, Hero raises to 3, blinds fold. Villian 1 calls, Villian 2 calls.Flop 10h 8d 6d (pot 9.75)Villian 1 bets 10, Villian 2 calls, Hero callsTurn 4h (pot 39.75)Villian 1 goes all in for 31.75, Villian 2 folds, Hero???Reads:Hero (my friend): has an aggressive, somewhat tricky table image. Sometimes he'll make weird plays with marginal hands (eg over-calling off his whole stack with kj off on a king high board), but he's sm

getting aces three times on the bubble and only playing them once is like God saying "hey buddy, good job so far. here's the rest of the tournament for you!" and you saying "**** you, you're not the boss of me!" itd be interesting if someone could run some sick equity calculations and see how much you give up by doing this.

Seems like a standard push. Seeing only one hand the villian played its hard to put him on a definite hand, but with the one hand we saw he obviously overplays hands and has trouble reading people/situations. So this is two pair, over pair, pair and a draw, or air too much of the time for us not to play. And, with your push you're giving him almost 3-1 to call, so you'll definitely get called by worse hands. Pushing here is definitely +EV. I think its pretty standard on all streets as well.

the problem with this is that you're putting in a lot of money with just a drawing hand, OOP against two opponents whose hands you know little to nothing about. what happens if they both flat call your c/r? i doubt you're going to get the free card you desire because people don't normally go for a check raise twice. what most likely happens is that you c/r, one or both call, you check the turn and they bet into you again. the other scenario is that you check raise, MP calls, and the CO reraises. by opening the betting you run the risk of being blow off your hand. i say keep the pot small

yeah. that reminds me of something i heard dutch boyd say about if you were the perfect player and on the first hand of a tournament you were dealt aces and someone open moved in you could fold, knowing that you could outplay your opponents enough to win the tournament without the 80% equity, or whatever. dumb ***

yeah, i know what you mean. i'm just being a nit-picky ***. nh

good point.

because i'm that awesome at reading tells (thanks joe navarro!)no, he showed someone before he folded and they told everyone else (cardplayer video). and, correction, he only folded twice, but he raised the third time and won the blinds. can you imagine knowing that a guy folded aces on the bubble twice already, and then he comes out raising preflop...i think i'd need a full house pf to give him action. the guy was an idiot.

but isn't the reason you play lagtarded so you can play your big hands fast and get paid? granted, i think you played the hand well and your read seems to be right on, but on a theoretical level i disagree to an extent.

that takes talent. last night i was at bay 101 sweating the wpt tourney. on the bubble a guy folded aces 3 times before the flop...i don't think that takes as much skill as the kk open fold, but its up there.

he likens himself to a phil ivey type, playing small-ball, chipping up by pushing around others. i haven't seen him play a ton but i was at bay 101 for 8 hours yesterday. i never really saw him win monster pots, but every time i looked over at him he was accumulating more chips. seems to play a big stack reasonably well.

I don't think pushing would work in this situation. villian A is a calling station, which means you're getting called by a better hand if you push, so you're gambling. then, if you push and villian A calls, villian B just might decide to gamble with you and you're drawing to 5 outs at best. semi-bluffs aren't as effective if the chances of your opponents folding are slim.

how does one get in to see the tapings of the final table? is it friends and family only or are others allowed as well?

i think that's what i was trying to say but then the ADD kicked in (stupid brain ). so yeah, what he said.

I'm not sure a shove would work because the backdoor flush got there. That might scare the villian away from a pot sized bet that is more likely to be called. still though, who knows. i wouldn't think someone would put their money in with a10s early in the tourney, so i could be wrong.Still, i'm in the fast play camp. Villian likes to overplay hands (our initial read says), most people at this level just don't believe you would ever fast play a hand like this and will call down with almost anything on a paired board, and there's an ace and that likely hit somebody. bet the hell out of thi

Just to reiterate what they said, it really doesn't come down to how much of your chips you put in the pot but rather how big the pot will be in relation to the bet you have to call. And this relates to your hand and how you believe your hand stacks up against the range of hands you believe your opponent could have in that situation. So, in this instance, getting over two to one you would have to believe that your odds of winning the pot are two to one (about 33%) or better. If you believe that your opponent would only make this move with aces and kings then you will be worse than 2-1 and y

I pay this off. Getting more than two to one I think he might have two pair or a set more than 1/3 of the time to make this +EV.

It would make me want to fold even more because you just told him that you don't have a good hand. You gave him more information than he gave you. Fold and move on to the next hand.

Pretty standard. OOP you've got to add fold equity rather than chase OOP.

Yeah, he didn't get extra info from the bet, but he can see the player's reaction to the flop, the amount of the bet, and how the rock bets, all of which can give you more info.

I agree, putting in more money against an opponent that has told you they are strong with a bad hand, OOP is usually a losing proposition. Now this doesn't mean i don't defend a little more liberally in certain situations, but 80% just seems a bit too high.

At a new table with players i'm unfamiliar with i prefer to keep things pretty standard and not play too cagey. This makes your decisions easier. Once you've established a solid image and you get a good read on the table you can switch things up and play accordingly. So, i would reraise pf. and if i didn't reraise pf i would check-raise the flop.

pearls before swine...

ps. call me crazy, but you usually can't check dark when you are not first to act...i guess the fish missed that part.

This would be a more interesting question. I guess it comes down to the player, are they willing to check/raise the river? Are they the type that will only call if they have two pair beat? At these stakes i will probably value bet this hand against a normal opponent. you're getting called by Ax too often.