psujohn 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 1/2 NL Live at Tropicana in A.C.Villain is horrid and tilty. He's been felted and rebought for $100 at least twice since I've been at the table and that's only about an hour and a half.Multiway limped pot I limp JTo from LP.Flop 9h 8s 7cChecks to villain who bets 25, couple folds and I'm the only caller.Turn (9h 8s 7c) 5hVillain bets 35, I raise to 100, Villain calls with 60 behind. Mistake I know. I didn't realize he was that short or I'd have pushed.River (9h 8s 7c 5h) 6hGuy on my right says something about "Play the board" and the dealer shushes him.Villain pushes for 60. I call and flip up my hand.Dealer says "Straight to the Jack. The nuts."Villain holds his card in front of him ready to muck.Dealer says "Well except for the flush ..." and bites his tongue.Villain pauses for a second. Looks back and his hand. Pauses for 2 more seconds and says "I have the flush" and turns over 10h 4h.The guy didn't even realize he had the flush until the dealer's comment made him check. The dealer was very apologetic of course. I remained calm though a bit steamed for a while. I figured villain was giving it back anyway and the dealer only mentioned the flush because he realized he had mis-identified the nut straight as the nuts. Unfortunately villain gave it away elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
ice4804 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Incompetent dealers FTL. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 and the str8 flush for the real nutsDealer errors suck but whatcha gonna do. Stoopid humans Link to post Share on other sites
GetSprung 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 and the str8 flush for the real nutsDealer errors suck but whatcha gonna do. Stoopid monkey pitching cardsBetter Link to post Share on other sites
MadKennedy420 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 better than the morons who play Black JAck there Link to post Share on other sites
Tiltinagain 973 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Yeah, the dealers first mistake was the "...the nuts" comment so I guess he was trying to fix one mistake with another?Sounds like you handled it well and had a good attitude about it, though it definitely sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I've always wondered why such a large percentage of people who can't read the board also seem to not know that they can't read board. Just flip your dang cards up. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Ummm......the dealer's comment didn't cost you that pot, the cards did. If the Donk had just turned over his cards it wouldn't have mattered what the Dealer said. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Ummm......the dealer's comment didn't cost you that pot, the cards did. If the Donk had just turned over his cards it wouldn't have mattered what the Dealer said.But he didnt, he was gonna muck untill the dealer made that comment. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 But he didnt, he was gonna muck untill the dealer made that comment.So we're going to get pissed when the Dealer keeps us from stealing the pot from the winning hand? Link to post Share on other sites
jethrodull 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I don't know how it could be called stealing from the best hand if the guy doesn't even know he has it...if he choses to muck his hand, then the "winning" hand is the one left that is the best..in this case, would have been OP's...so, yeah, the dealer caused him to lose the hand...J Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I don't know how it could be called stealing from the best hand if the guy doesn't even know he has it...if he choses to muck his hand, then the "winning" hand is the one left that is the best..in this case, would have been OP's...so, yeah, the dealer caused him to lose the hand...JNonsense.That wasn't his pot, it was the Donk's. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 People who can't show down their hands when it's time annoy the shit out of me, so I'm perfectly happy for them to lose pots and also get struck by lightning and mauled by angry dogs for that matter. They might pretend that there's some sophisticated metagame reason they don't want to show, but I'm not buying it from a guy who can't read the board. He's just wasting everyone's time.Imagine a baseball player running for home and then just stopping 3 feet from home. He starts waving to the crowd and adjusting himself. The defense is frantically trying to throw the ball to home. Do we want the umpire to say, "If you step on home, then you'll get a run"? Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 People who can't show down their hands when it's time annoy the shit out of me, so I'm perfectly happy for them to lose pots and also get struck by lightning and mauled by angry dogs for that matter. They might pretend that there's some sophisticated metagame reason they don't want to show, but I'm not buying it from a guy who can't read the board. He's just wasting everyone's time.Imagine a baseball player running for home and then just stopping 3 feet from home. He starts waving to the crowd and adjusting himself. The defense is frantically trying to throw the ball to home. Do we want the umpire to say, "If you step on home, then you'll get a run"?Oh, I agree, slow rolling is one of the most annoying habits imaginable. It just sounded like the Donk in this story was more clueless than slow rolling. "Just flip over your effing cards" would have been an appropriate response in this situation......and still would have resulted in the Donk getting the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
sandwedge 30 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 People who can't show down their hands when it's time annoy the shit out of me, so I'm perfectly happy for them to lose pots and also get struck by lightning and mauled by angry dogs for that matter. They might pretend that there's some sophisticated metagame reason they don't want to show, but I'm not buying it from a guy who can't read the board. He's just wasting everyone's time.QFMFTIt also amazes me how many people don't want to be first to show after they've bet and been called.Another pet peeve of mine is in omaha, when a player wants to show two cards, and then when their opponent shows a better hand, they slow roll their actuall best hand for the win. It got so bad at my casino that I finally told the table that I refused to read any hand until all four cards were turned face up.AND, another pet peeve is 3-6 limit players who show their hand and mistakenly call "nuts!", even when they actually are holding the 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th nuts.and yes, that was definitely a dealer error. It's not his job to suggest what hands could win the pot. His job is to read the cards IF they are turned over. Tough beat. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Another pet peeve of mine is in omaha, when a player wants to show two cards, and then when their opponent shows a better hand, they slow roll their actuall best hand for the win. It got so bad at my casino that I finally told the table that I refused to read any hand until all four cards were turned face up.God I hate that. It's like Omaha was made for the two card slow roll. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Extremely loosely related, although not really...A dealer was telling me about dealing in Atlantic City. There was a particularly big pot, exceeding 100k dollars. One player showed down his hand and his opponent sadly mucked. Another player at the table asked to see the losing player's cards. The dealer flipped them up and it was a winner. As per the rules in that particular card room, the hand was live and he was shipped the pot. The loser in the hand got in a fist fight right there with the person who asked to see the cards.I have no way to verify the accuracy of this story and am just retelling it as the dealer told it to me earlier this week. Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I once asked a girl if she was pregnant. She wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 The loser in the hand got in a fist fight right there with the person who asked to see the cards.is there any other way to react to this? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 QFMFTIt also amazes me how many people don't want to be first to show after they've bet and been called.Another pet peeve of mine is in omaha, when a player wants to show two cards, and then when their opponent shows a better hand, they slow roll their actuall best hand for the win. It got so bad at my casino that I finally told the table that I refused to read any hand until all four cards were turned face up.AND, another pet peeve is 3-6 limit players who show their hand and mistakenly call "nuts!", even when they actually are holding the 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th nuts.and yes, that was definitely a dealer error. It's not his job to suggest what hands could win the pot. His job is to read the cards IF they are turned over. Tough beat.Or how about when they let dealers play tournaments and they cash for like $2K then DON'T go out and buy new golf clubs?Man I hate that Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 is there any other way to react to this?AIM Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 is there any other way to react to this?You could tell them to please not do that again, then hit on his women and when she agrees to go home with you, in front of the other dude, tell her nevermind.I imagine that ride home was a bit loud. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 At the particular card room I was playing in, there rule is that if you ask to see the cards, a supervisor gets called over and determines whether there is cause for concern about collusion. If there isn't, they don't show. I love that rule since most people don't understand why the rule is in place.I think the only satisfactory alternative is that you can ask to see cards, but the person whose cards you ask to see gets to punch you once. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 At the particular card room I was playing in, there rule is that if you ask to see the cards, a supervisor gets called over and determines whether there is cause for concern about collusion. If there isn't, they don't show. I love that rule since most people don't understand why the rule is in place.I think the only satisfactory alternative is that you can ask to see cards, but the person whose cards you ask to see gets to punch you once.I would ask to see Checky's cards every time just so I could giggle watching how he punches. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I don't know how it could be called stealing from the best hand if the guy doesn't even know he has it...if he choses to muck his hand, then the "winning" hand is the one left that is the best..in this case, would have been OP's...so, yeah, the dealer caused him to lose the hand...JYes.Nonsense.That wasn't his pot, it was the Donk's.No. Link to post Share on other sites
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