offix 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I wanted to share a story about a "bad-beat jackpot that wasn't", and get your opinions.Location: Casino San Pablo (CA)Date: Saturday June 18th 2005Game: Texas Holdem 3-6Bad beat jackpot: $5000 : 50% to beaten hand, 25% to winning hand, rest is table share. Qualifier: AAAJJ beaten, hole cards must play.One hand transpired where the board showed AA58A"sugar", a regular at the casino (and therefore very familiar with the jackpot structure) is first to act after the river and checks. Seat 5 is the only player left in it with him. This is a new player (not familiar with the jackpot structure). This player bets (stupid in a jackpot situation, but he wasn't familiar with the concept). "sugar" responds by asking "shall we make a deal?", seemingly indicating that he has an Ace, and that his kicker plays, so that a jackpot could be reality. The other player does not understand what he's being asked and looks puzzled. He even asks his neighbor what Sugar is on about.All this takes too long for sugar's liking - he shows his AK to his neighbor - and FOLDS! The other guy had KK, so it would indeed have been a jackpot.Sugar knowingly and deliberately threw the jackpot away because he couldn't make a deal!! Screwed himself out of a lot of money just to spite the other guy, also screwed everyone at the table out of their share.Has anybody else ever experienced this, and what would you have done? Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Is there a concealed weapon law in California? And is Sugar still alive? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites
HappyPanda 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I think I would have tried to explain it better to the obvious noob.No way I would fold. That's just rude. Link to post Share on other sites
elkang 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 can you post a link to the source? seems like such a silly thing to do - to the point where it really doesn't make sense. But, that's people.btw, nice avatar. Is that sign at the Midvale School for the gifted? Link to post Share on other sites
macphec 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Of course, that happens all the time at my casino. WTF!?!?! Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Unfortunately there is nothing you can do except make that *******'s life miserable every time u play with him. You should make sure that everyone in the room hears about it, and he becomes the running joke of the room. Don't make him see like an *******, just make it seem like he is the dumbest player in the history of cards. Maybe he will leave and play somewhere else, if not you always have someone as a punching bag when you're running bad, and that in itself is worth it. And hey he did it to himsellf, right? Link to post Share on other sites
tlane 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Okay,None of this makes sense. “Sugar”, only needed to call for 25% of 5,000? so I assume he wanted to make a deal in order to get 37.5% of the pot. So we have (a) Possibly make a deal with a man who is not familiar with bad beat jackpots in general, let alone the one at that particular casino, and hopefully win 37.5% of 5,000(B) Call a $6 bet to get 25% of the 5,000 (over 1,000) of the jackpot….which is very very rare and it makes it a good day for the entire table. But he indeed,© foldsI have to conclude that Sugar is insanely greedy…to the point that if he can’t have it all, then no one gets anything. Sugar just should’ve Link to post Share on other sites
offix 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 can you post a link to the source? seems like such a silly thing to do - to the point where it really doesn't make sense. But, that's people.btw, nice avatar. Is that sign at the Midvale School for the gifted?I am the source. I was at a neigboring table."Sugar" is known as a nasty bastard, and is not in need of money. My impression was that he loves being talked about, good or bad.And yes, that is absolutely the stupidest thing I've ever seen! All nine other players actually asked for a table change after this happened, and the floorman could basically do nothing about it. Link to post Share on other sites
sublime 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Talk about -EVCould have won $1250Wanted $1875 (+$625 more)Got squat! :shock: What a jack a55. Here's your sign buddy!~sublime Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I understand what he was doing, but he could've explained it better to the noob. What he should have done was said, hey, I know you have X and I have a hand that will win us this amount of money. Want to give me X extra? If not, I'm folding and you get squat as well so does everyone else.Talk about negotiating power. Especially if he doesn't need money, it's sounds like a routine business venture to me. I've gone into meetings where bouth of our companies could make money, but I have the power. I've pulled the plug on 20 million before, but they got screwed out of more. After that, they usually always gave us what we wanted no questions asked. It's fun to have power.Also, with Sugar being a regular, he knows that it will grow and he'll have another shot at it.Jerk move? Sort of, have to know where he was coming from. Link to post Share on other sites
aznkidd157 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I used to play 2 times a week at San Pablo and yah the people there are usually pretty old and grumpy. I still don't quite understand why "sugar" didn't just call or re-raise the noob. Either way, he wins the pot and/or the jackpot. Folding here is definitely -ev and it just makes him look like a stupid *******. Link to post Share on other sites
MCPeePants 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I understand what he was doing, but he could've explained it better to the noob. What he should have done was said, hey, I know you have X and I have a hand that will win us this amount of money. Want to give me X extra? If not, I'm folding and you get squat as well so does everyone else.At the 4/8 tables at the Indian casino I play at in Oklahoma, they have an identical bad beat jackpot set up, except that if the players at the table start discussing the possibility of a bad beat as the hand is transpiring, the floorman will void the bad beat jackpot. I saw it happen at a neighboring table - a bad beat occurred when one guy's aces full got beat by quads and all the hole cards played but the floorman came over and voided the bad beat jackpot because the players had discussed the possibility of the bad beat happening as the hand unfolded and then checked on the river or something. Is this the rule in other b&m cardrooms? They only just changed the laws to allow poker in Oklahoma Indian casinos at the beginning of the year, so these are brand new poker rooms. Link to post Share on other sites
offix 0 Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 if the players at the table start discussing the possibility of a bad beat as the hand is transpiring, the floorman will void the bad beat jackpot.Same rule exists in the casino where this happened (Casino San Pablo), but unless it is extremely overt the dealer will let you get away with it and not involve the floorman. After all, the dealer stands to profit too (from the expected tips) Link to post Share on other sites
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